Planned Parenthood Scandal

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aussigirl

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In regards to the recent scandals about Planned Parenthood being involved in the sex trafficking of young girls. These revelations show that PPH is not interested in women’s health, only their money. The “Front” they put on, by offering other services is just for the purpose of gaining the confidence of young girls.

For anyone who truly wishes to educate themselves about the deceptive business practices of PPH and the rest of the abortion industry, they now have two new resources to help them. First, they should watch the new movie, BloodMoney , a documentary film that exposes the truth behind the abortion industry, in the words of the abortionist. See:
http://bloodmoneyfilm.com/

Secondly they should read the new book Unplanned by Abby Johnson, a former Planned Parenthood employee of the year and clinic director, who left PPH after personally assisting in an ultrasound guided abortion where she saw the baby trying to move away from the suction tube that was to dismember it. See:
Amazon.com: Unplanned: The Dramatic True Story of a Former Planned Parenthood Leader's Eye-Opening Journey across the Life Line (9781414339399): Abby Johnson, Cindy Lambert: Books

The basic line that the pro-choice industry wants to promote is that people should have the freedom to make their own personal choices. Yet when Abby Johnson made a personal choice to quit her job, in 2009, as director of Planned Parenthood in Bryan, Texas, one would think that PPH would respect her choice to leave her occupation. Not so, PPH chose aggressively to try to silence Johnson by taking her to court, and trying to make an example of her. So much for “Choice” – PPH style.

You might also be interested in knowing that, according to their own annual report figures for 2007- 2008, Planned Parenthood killed 305,000 babies, for a profit of about $85 million.

Lastly, FYI, check out this link about a 16-year-old girl who was recently rushed to a hospital after suffering a botched abortion at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Everett WA.

See: 16-Year-Old Girl Suffered Botched Abortion at Planned Parenthood | LifeNews.com

 
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To properly combat PPH, we must transform the individual.
 
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Not to mention the THOUSANDS of people that PPH has saved and/or helped get treatment for pregnancies they WANT to have, reproductive organ cancers/issues, HIV/AIDS and other STD's and UTI's. Yes, they must be stopped.
 
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Not to mention the THOUSANDS of people that PPH has saved and/or helped get treatment for pregnancies they WANT to have, reproductive organ cancers/issues, HIV/AIDS and other STD's and UTI's. Yes, they must be stopped.
Those monsters!
 
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thimsrebma

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I am very confused. PPH is an organization tha has multiple duties. Yes theymay perform abortions, but they also provide prenatal care and parenting classes for those who need it.

It is horrible what hgas happened to a few people at PPH, but is it really necessary to degrade an entire organization because of the results of a few peoples choices. Patients should know the risks before they choose to have an abortion.

If Store A sells me a bad apple and I get sick, am I gonna boycott all of it's stores everywhere and tell people that they need to be shut down. No. Maybe I am going to say they need to check their produce and maybe they will recall some for a while but I am not going to shut the whole place down.

Jimmy you are so right when you say they that we have to change the minds of the individuals. No one would perform abortions if people didn't want them.
 
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Also abortions are only 3% of what planned parenthood does (unless if you consult John Kyl in which case according to him it's over 90% of what they do, but don't worry according to him that's also not intended to be a factual statement).
 
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PPH, is not just one agency you know theirs hundred of private run and government run clinics, etc... :\ so really you cant tar them all with the same brush.
 
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I am very confused. PPH is an organization tha has multiple duties. Yes theymay perform abortions, but they also provide prenatal care and parenting classes for those who need it.

It is horrible what hgas happened to a few people at PPH, but is it really necessary to degrade an entire organization because of the results of a few peoples choices. Patients should know the risks before they choose to have an abortion.

If Store A sells me a bad apple and I get sick, am I gonna boycott all of it's stores everywhere and tell people that they need to be shut down. No. Maybe I am going to say they need to check their produce and maybe they will recall some for a while but I am not going to shut the whole place down.

Jimmy you are so right when you say they that we have to change the minds of the individuals. No one would perform abortions if people didn't want them.
You are missing the point. The entire organization exists for the purpose of making a profit from abortions. PPH made $85,000,000 from about 320,000 abortions in 2009, compared with only 2,600 referrals for adoptions. In 2007, the numbers were 305,310 Abortions, 4,912 Adoption Referrals, so in 2009, abortions went up and adoptions went down. The figures a I just quoted are from PPH's annual report.

One of the reasons Abby Johnson left PPH, was because she was ordered to "sell" more abortions to girls, because her clinic wasn't making enough money. See the links below.

Jimmy is correct, we need to change the minds of people. Young girls need to know that there are other alternatives to abortion. Just call 1-800-395-HELP

And remember, all of these other "good services" that PPH provides can be found elsewhere, at businesses that don't kill unborn babies.


JUST THE FACTS: Planned Parenthood in 2007: 305,310 Abortions, 4,912 Adoption Referrals

Must-see graphic: Planned Parenthood’s Abortions vs. Adoptions | CatholicVote.org
 
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You are missing the point. The entire organization exists for the purpose of making a profit from abortions. PPH made $85,000,000 from about 320,000 abortions in 2009, compared with only 2,600 referrals for adoptions. In 2007, the numbers were 305,310 Abortions, 4,912 Adoption Referrals, so in 2009, abortions went up and adoptions went down. The figures a I just quoted are from PPH's annual report.

One of the reasons Abby Johnson left PPH, was because she was ordered to "sell" more abortions to girls, because her clinic wasn't making enough money. See the links below.

Jimmy is correct, we need to change the minds of people. Young girls need to know that there are other alternatives to abortion. Just call 1-800-395-HELP

And remember, all of these other "good services" that PPH provides can be found elsewhere, at businesses that don't kill unborn babies.


JUST THE FACTS: Planned Parenthood in 2007: 305,310 Abortions, 4,912 Adoption Referrals

Must-see graphic: Planned Parenthood’s Abortions vs. Adoptions | CatholicVote.org
Calling Planned Parenthood a business of abortion is kind of.... ok VERY false. They make money on MANY of their programs, and they are a non-profit organization. Of course they have to pay their doctors/nurses/workers.. ALL non-profits do. Including CHURCHES. But a large amount of that money goes back to being able to do these services for other people.

And you said the services PPH provides can be found elsewhere. That is true, but MANY doctors will perform an abortion if a woman is so inclined to have one performed.
 
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jimmydiggs

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I think if people understood what abortion actually looks like, they would be less likely to go through with one.





Psalm 127:3
Sons are a heritage from the LORD, children a reward from him.


When you abort a child, you reject either God, that the child is a gift from God, or scripture.

I love children, I hate abortion. I would rescue a child about to be aborted if I knew it was going to happen without my intervention.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Came in too late to add this to my previous post.

Ecodus 21
22 “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and vhe shall pay as the wjudges determine. 23 But if there is harm,3 then you shall pay xlife for life, 24 yeye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
 
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the major flaw with those verses is that an abortion doctor isn't "hitting" a woman. she is voluntarily doing the procedure. forced abortions are illegal and a form of sexual assault and battery.
 
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the major flaw with those verses is that an abortion doctor isn't "hitting" a woman. she is voluntarily doing the procedure. forced abortions are illegal and a form of sexual assault and battery.
The principle is the same.

As you can see, lack of death = lesser problems.

"but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined"

"But if there is harm,3 then you shall pay xlife for life"

Let alone Psalm 127:3.

Also, apparently it is a life.
 
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thimsrebma

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You are missing the point. The entire organization exists for the purpose of making a profit from abortions. PPH made $85,000,000 from about 320,000 abortions in 2009, compared with only 2,600 referrals for adoptions. In 2007, the numbers were 305,310 Abortions, 4,912 Adoption Referrals, so in 2009, abortions went up and adoptions went down. The figures a I just quoted are from PPH's annual report.

One of the reasons Abby Johnson left PPH, was because she was ordered to "sell" more abortions to girls, because her clinic wasn't making enough money. See the links below.

Jimmy is correct, we need to change the minds of people. Young girls need to know that there are other alternatives to abortion. Just call 1-800-395-HELP

And remember, all of these other "good services" that PPH provides can be found elsewhere, at businesses that don't kill unborn babies.


JUST THE FACTS: Planned Parenthood in 2007: 305,310 Abortions, 4,912 Adoption Referrals

Must-see graphic: Planned Parenthood’s Abortions vs. Adoptions | CatholicVote.org
PPH isn't forcing anyone or tricking anyone into getting an abortion. Those people chose to walk in Planned Parenthood just like others chose to walk into many other clinincs, lay down on a table and kill their babies.

I believe that we as Christians need to be focused not on toppling a business but changing the hearts and minds of people by leading them to Christ. That will help people to not get in situations where they think they need to have abortions.

Attacking PPH or any other company/organization is slapping a bandaid on a bigger problem or treating the symptoms when we need to be focused on prevention. The prevention would be stopping "unwanted" pregnancies from occuring in the first place.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Attacking PPH or any other company/organization is slapping a bandaid on a bigger problem or treating the symptoms when we need to be focused on prevention. The prevention would be stopping "unwanted" pregnancies from occuring in the first place.
This. You can't easily persuade a person toward or away from a moral or immoral act, without a moral framework to do so.

When man ignores God, he is bound to do that which is evil. this is one of the great mistakes many make. Legsilating morality isn't wrong, but ultimately people will continue to be inherently immoral if they do not have the works of the spirit.
 
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thimsrebma

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This. You can't easily persuade a person toward or away from a moral or immoral act, without a moral framework to do so.

When man ignores God, he is bound to do that which is evil. this is one of the great mistakes many make. Legsilating morality isn't wrong, but ultimately people will continue to be inherently immoral if they do not have the works of the spirit.
You are right thats why my previous paragraph says:

I believe that we as Christians need to be focused not on toppling a business but changing the hearts and minds of people by leading them to Christ. That will help people to not get in situations where they think they need to have abortions.
 
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Jimmy I will ask ONE question and one question only and this will decide where I stand on agreeing or disagreeing with the whole "changing minds" thing. Do you agree that contraception like condoms and spermicides should be easily available to college-aged students? (Like in their health centers or safe sex rallies.)
 
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jimmydiggs

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Jimmy I will ask ONE question and one question only and this will decide where I stand on agreeing or disagreeing with the whole "changing minds" thing. Do you agree that contraception like condoms and spermicides should be easily available to college-aged students? (Like in their health centers or safe sex rallies.)
Your profile status says you are not married, so you should not be worried about using condoms and spermicides. Why do you ask though? Sex should not occur except within the marriage covenent. It's known as fornication.
 
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Your profile status says you are not married, so you should not be worried about using condoms and spermicides. Why do you ask though? Sex should not occur except within the marriage covenent. It's known as fornication.

Then I hate to say, I do not and CAN not agree with you. Imposing your moral obligations on all Americans is 1. impossible and 2. unconstitutional.

"Christians" who fight all day about abortions clearly do not want them to be stopped. If they did, they would support Safe Sex causes on college campuses and high schools. That would DRASTICALLY drop the abortion rate. But teens and young 20's are greatly uninformed about ways to stay safe and have sex. It's extremely unrealistic to say that people shouldn't have sex outside of marriage. B/c many college kids who are christian still do, and many college kids aren't christian at all. The christian right's push to stop abortions is fruitless. It will never be illegal, and they refuse to support safe sex. They're behind the times and can never win this battle. I'm pro-choice but i'm MUCH rather have a girl and a guy use protection than get an abortion. Clearly, people in this sect of Christianity can't see this and will never win this battle b/c of the veil over their eyes.
 
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aussigirl

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Originally Posted by FSUBoy966

Jimmy I will ask ONE question and one question only and this will decide where I stand on agreeing or disagreeing with the whole "changing minds" thing. Do you agree that contraception like condoms and spermicides should be easily available to college-aged students? (Like in their health centers or safe sex rallies.)
Your profile status says you are not married, so you should not be worried about using condoms and spermicides. Why do you ask though? Sex should not occur except within the marriage covenant. It's known as fornication.

Hi FSU
Jimmy’s answer is right on the money in regards to your question.

Now I mean no disrespect, but your defense of Planned Parenthood, as well as some of the questions you ask, indicate that you have not done your homework concerning this issue.

Have you watched the movie “Blood Money – The Business of Abortion”?
See: Blood Money

Did you listen to the story of former abortionist Carol Everett, as she describes the deceitful tactics used to help get girls pregnant and then maneuver then into having an abortion?


Have you followed the recent story of Pennsylvania-based abortion practitioner Kermit Gosnell? See: Practitioner Charged With Murder in Botched Abortion Death | LifeNews.com

Have you seen Planned Parenthood’s “Blob of tissue”? (Caution, this image be disturbing). See: http://prolife101.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Saline-Abortion.jpg

Have you watched Abby Johnson’s latest 30 second video about PPH?
YouTube - Abby Johnson Television Ad

As I have said before, education is the key to understanding the issue. Don’t believe everything you find on PPH’s website. You need to know what is going on behind the closed doors of their corporate boardroom.


Safe sex programs are immoral, and regardless if everyone on college campuses are having sex outside of marriage, it is still wrong because God says so, and He will not accept your excuses for it. Sin is sin and fancy words or excuses will not change that. Remember the Sixth Commandment - it is still in force. The ten Commandments were not written to be politically correct.


Also see Ezechiel 3: 17-18