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judgedebra

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#21
Submitting: is taking the divinely ordered place in a relationship. Submission can never be required by one human being of another, it can only be given on the basis of trust, that is, to believe God's word and to be willing to learn to grow in relationships.

Women are never made second to men in general, but the wife is specifically called to accept her husbands's leadership and not endeavor to dominate ( Gen 3:16 ). The husband must lead with mutual respect.

The Bible does not put males over females, but it does call for husbands to accept responsible leadership in the same spirit of self-giving and devotion Christ has shown His church.

These versers put such demands upon the Christian husband that it is impossible to see how a charge of male chauvinism could justly be made against the Bible, or how a license to exploit women or wives could be claimed from such texts.
 
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AnandaHya

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#22
if men abuse and do not honor their wives then God will not listen or answer their prayers. the Bible says so (i was told "weaker" could also be translated as fragile, more precious):

1 Peter 3:7
Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered


Proverbs 31 shows a woman who knows how to deal with money and is a leader in trade, women are to be valued and treasured as gifts from God. Eve was a gift to Adam from God not as a possession but as a companion.

Proverbs 31
10 Who can find a virtuous[c] wife?
For her worth is far above rubies.
11 The heart of her husband safely trusts her;
So he will have no lack of gain.
12 She does him good and not evil
All the days of her life.
 
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judgedebra

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#23
Likewise: A comparison is drawn between wives' obedience to their husbands and servants' to their masters ( 2:18 see also 2:13 ). Both situations call for reverent behavior from servants and wives ( 2:18; 3:2 ) toward ungodly masters and hubands (2:18,19 3:2 ). As vv. 3-6 indicate, a wife's obedience is not from intimidation, but from a quiet confidence, which is the fruit of trust in God. Such a comparison between servants and wives was appropriate in a first-century setting with its slavery and the subordinate role of women in society. However, the principles of respectful godly behavior and a quiet spirit transcend time boundaries.

The Book of 1 Peter challenges us to live godly lives, even in the midst of trial, suffering, or persecution. Circumstances do not affect godly principles for living. Whether you are being loved or cursed, you are to bless. Whether you will be embraced or persecuted, your life and testimony are to witness to the hope of salvation in Jesus Christ. Consistency in godly living, despite circumstances, is the true test of growth in godliness.

Likewise: invokes the preceding directives upon the husbands as well, and they are to dwell with......understanding, giving honor to their spouses, indicating a certain reciprocity between the seses in marriage. A husband is to consider the lesser physical strength and vulnerability of his wife ( the weaker vessel ).

Women in God's design. The heart denotes "thoughts, feelings, mind, middle" as the deepest, most inner recess of our being. A godly woman, abiding in the Holy Spirit ( who Himself lives in the hidden place of our hearts ) can grow to learn a trust in the insight and understanding the Lord gives her. With a gentle and quiet spirit, God wants her to bring insight and value to her husband and their marriage. She is to be "adorned" with a spirit that is not self-exalting or casting herself as her husband's teacher, yet, they are still ordained to be and become full partners as the husband receives the day-to-day relational "help" God has given him in his wife ( see Gen. 2:18 ), ( Eph. 5:21-32/ Gen.1:26-28*).

The pronoun you is emphatic. No matter what the legalists say and do, Titus is to continue the healthful teaching of the gospel.
In contrast to the disobedient and detestable lives of the false teachers, Paul exhorts Christians of various ages and classes to practice good deeds.
This exhortation applies to the older men in the church and not particularly to the official elders. They are to exhibit special qualities of Christian living consistent with age and experience. Older women are to assume the responsibilities of their new position in the gospel. These include providing a proper example for the young women and teaching them Christian character and domestic responsibilties, lest they bring disgrace on the faith by abusing their newfound freedom. Evidently Titus was young enough to be classified among the young men. Therefore, he must present himself in all respects a pattern of good works. Church leadership demands exemplary conduct.
 
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judgedebra

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#24
Women should observe a proper sense of modesty, free from vanity and worldly display, at all times, but especially in public worship. A godly woman's attractiveness is her character, not her costly clothing. see 1 Peter, 3:3,4

Positively, Paul exhorts women to be disciples and to maintain a conduct that would not discredit the church. The prohibition of v. 12 refers to the authoritative office of apostolic teacher in the church. It does not forbid women to educate, proclaim truth, or exhort ( prophesy ). See Acts 2:17; 18:26, 21:9, 1 cor. 11:5, Phil. 4:3, 2 Tim. 1:5; 3:14,15; Titus 2:3-5.

The fact that Adam was formed first by God indicates a priority of responsibility. God appointed the mand as the head of the family, and the wife is not to usurp authority over him in this office. Conversely, the man is therewith charged to accept and serve this role, not as a tyrant but as a servant under God's assignment and subject to His holy and loving Spirit. Adam acted by delibrate choice, but Eve was deceived. Paul does not teach that Adam was morally, intellectually, or spiritually superior to Eve, simply that her trustfulness made her susceptible to deception.
To be a Christian homemaker, wife, and mother is as lofty a work as can be inspired, especially as we study the abundant historical evidence of a mother's influence in shaping the destiny of children, who have in turn shaped the history of the church and of nations.

Each of you: The things of the Spirit are intended for every member of the body of Christ, no an elite few. This verse 1 Cor 14:26 describes typical Christian worship in the present age. In orderto preserve balance and prevent confusion in the worship service, Paul regulates prophecy. Others present, especially those who function in the gift of prophecy, are to judge the authenticity of the prophetic utterances. The judging includes its content, alignment with God's word, and relevancy to the meeting.

These verses 1 Cor 14:34,35 may be interpreted in various way. The best interpretation is probably to see Paul as not forbidding women to manifest spiritual gifts in the service ( see 11:5, Acts 2:18, 21:9 ). Rather, he prohibits undisciplined discussion that would disturb the service. Also possible is the forbidden speaking along the lines of 1 Tim. 2:11-15, which precludes women from becoming independent doctrinal ( apostolic ) authorities over men. One other view sees vv.34,35 as Paul's quoting from their letter to him in beginning a new paragraph. Proponents of this view then see v.36 as his rhetorical answer, essentially saying. "What? Men only? Nonsense!" Perhaps more helpful is noting that the Greek word her for "women" is also transiatable "wife". Thus, the command may confront the impropriety in any age for a wife to domineeringly issue doctrinal commands and enforce authoritative teachings, embarrassing her husband in public. The Bible does not assign rigid social or church roles to men and women, but it does place headship and authority in husbands as an abiding principle for this age. The spiritually minded will receive Paul's instructions with apostolic authority. Those who reject them are responsible for the consequences of their ignorance. Discontinuance of spiritual gifts was not Paul's solution to their abuse. The guidelines he has given will provide safeguards assuring order in the service.