Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues

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karine___

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yesterday i was listening to a sermon on youtube on how to be immersed in the Holy Spirit and the pastor said that to know if u have the Holy Spirit u need the seal that is speaking in tongues. so it got me thinking because i never spoke in tongues. and again the "am i really saved" question uff...

i do believe speaking in tongues is a manifestation of the Holy Spirit and i know it does happen to some people when they are saved. when i was a child i would see it happening with 2 family members , they would take me to church sometimes, i think it might be from the same movement the pastor on the video mentioned, not sure though . i don't mean to be against any movement or anyone, but i have this memory in this church ths episode ,there was a teenage girl and her mother and the pastor asked them to come forward then he asked the girl "do u want to go to heaven?" she said "yes" he said "so take off ur earrings" then the girl replied in a cute way "but i can go to heaven with earrings" . i believe this family member(i wouldnt like to mention her but i have to) is reborn but although she spoke a lot about God i rarely felt Him as i gew up .i love her , but i recall some not very loving behaviors from her, although now she's more loving . so i grew up with these ideas that u had to grow ur hair very long , wear skirts or dresses , which i never wore because i didn't want to show my legs , i always felt more "concealed" in pants . so i suppose what made me far from God was that kind of thing and when i heard the pastor on the video saying u need that seal otherwise u might be fooling urself, i recalled those memories.
now i've learned so many things i didn't know about before , that there's no one good , we all need Jesus , that Jesus came to save that which was lost , in darkness , not to condemn . i always made an effort to feel God as i grew up , i knew i was unhappy , depressed and the thought concerning God that came to my mind was always "leave ur sins or u'll go to hell" , so , besides the "hell" i was living in i had to live with that idea of God. it was impossible. so , one day , i was around 21 , i simply thought "God doesn't exist , life will be less complicated and i'll be free from those thoughts" it was that simple , and i started believing it , i was on my way to nihilism i think , then i met this man on the internet, and i started identifying with him , at first i managed to keep cool but soon i fell in love with him , he was a very intelligent man also a lot older, i admired him , he was a nihilist he told me , but even so i couldn't accept nihilism because there was still love in me and i mentioned God to him and he always told me not to do it because he didn't like it , so one night he told me he had this severe pain called cluster headache every night , and i took pity on him that night and i said this "u won't have ur pain tonight" i just felt bold enough to say it because i did love him , somehow i knew this would happen but i asked myself why did i say that??? so when i was in bed at night i reasoned for a bit "well God , if u are here and u are there , please don't let him have that pain tonight" , after a long time believing God didn't exist. the next day i knew i had to know if something had happened to him , and he sounded scared , asked if i had made "macumba" , or if i had a doll that i stuck pins in , and told me he didn't have his pain that night , God proved to him He is real. that was the happiest day in my life because i loved him but even beyond male-female , i loved him as a lost soul(i didnt know it then) but he always wanted me to prove my love for him "otherwise", if u know what i mean . he even proposed to come visit me so we slept together and then married .
so , i told him that i had asked God not to let that happen to him ,well even after this miracle he kept his heart hard . it was then that there was this woman at the bus stop that saw that i looked sad and told me "pray that he may accept Jesus but do not marry him" .
it was at that time , i don't know exactly how or the moment , that i saw everything different , i was given all that i always needed , i saw my aunt with discernemnt , and everything else, i was able to see things clearly , i had joy and all. i have even some notes i made back then , i had no idea what the Holy Spirit really was or did to us , but in the notes i described what had happened to me, it was "i have discernment, joy, patiece , kindness etc" and then i had a dream i was in a dark forest and a sparkling white dove came down and perched on my finger and i felt honored and "chosen", special.
still , whenever i come across something like what the pastor said in the sermon it always makes me think "what if i'm fooling myself , what if i don't have the Holy Spirit yet, what if i'm not saved" and i suddenly get all filled with dread as i used to as i grew up....
again , i dont mean to be against any movement or anyone because i know there are many people who have more spiritual knowledge than i . but this is my experience .... i'd like to know if u have had similar experiences ...or what u think about it all
 
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J-Rod116

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salvation is not a feeling. its grace from God. it has nothing to do with how we feel or what we do. its soley on God. tounges are cool but if they tell you something other thatn what it says in 1 corinthians 12-14 about tounges, do not listen. but thats where discernment should come in anyways
 
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Psalm2713

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all I can say is speaking in tongues made a huge difference interms of my understanding and knowledge of God.......so yes, it is important and no, not every believer has received the Holy Spirit :)
 
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Stuey

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Corinthians is pretty clear on this issue. To some God gives the gift of speaking in Tongues, to others he gives other spiritual gifts.

The bible does not support the idea that you need to be able to speak tongues in order to have the holy spirit and this is an outright heresy, here is a passage that should help.

Cheers,

Stuey


1 Corinthians 12

Concerning Spiritual Gifts

1 Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2 You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. 4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.
7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
Unity and Diversity in the Body

12 Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by[c] one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15 Now if the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[d]? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.
 
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TDWP22

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Stuey said:
Corinthians is pretty clear on this issue. To some God gives the gift of speaking in Tongues, to others he gives other spiritual gifts.

The bible does not support the idea that you need to be able to speak tongues in order to have the holy spirit and this is an outright heresy, here is a passage that should help.

Cheers,

Stuey


1 Corinthians 12

Concerning Spiritual Gifts

1 Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2 You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. 4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.
7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
Unity and Diversity in the Body

12 Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by[c] one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15 Now if the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[d]? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.
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Agreed...you dont need to speak in tongues for you to be save or have the Holy Spirit
 
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AnandaHya

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how you know you are saved is that the Holy spirit convicts you of your sin and you turn from it and repent and ask God to wash you clean through the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross for the remission of our sins. then you find in your heart the ability to forgive everyone who has ever wronged you because of the overflowing love God has for you that you now want to share with the world. For LOVE is the greatest gift of all.
 
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AnandaHya

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Romans 10:8-11
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”[a](that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”[b
 
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I understand where you're coming from. I used to have an evangelist who would tell me my prayers had no power if I didn't speak in tongues. He described it this way, "It's like trying to drive a car without any gas." Apparently he considered tongues the "gas." Basically, I started to ask myself, why even pray, if God only hears you if you speak in tongues. There are sooo many misconceptions out there that we have to turn to the Bible for answers and not men. Tongues is a spiritual gift. Not having it doesn't mean God doesn't hear you or that you're not filled with the Holy Spirit. I have met many christians who are devoted to God and never speak in tongues but they are filled with love and God definitely uses them and speaks to them. And I've met plenty of "christians" who speak in tongues... and then live their life like the devil. lol. I know I had the Holy Spirit loooong before I ever spoke in tongues. God is much more concerned with your heart.
 
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Lucy68

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Pie said:
I understand where you're coming from. I used to have an evangelist who would tell me my prayers had no power if I didn't speak in tongues. He described it this way, "It's like trying to drive a car without any gas." Apparently he considered tongues the "gas." Basically, I started to ask myself, why even pray, if God only hears you if you speak in tongues. There are sooo many misconceptions out there that we have to turn to the Bible for answers and not men. Tongues is a spiritual gift. Not having it doesn't mean God doesn't hear you or that you're not filled with the Holy Spirit. I have met many christians who are devoted to God and never speak in tongues but they are filled with love and God definitely uses them and speaks to them. And I've met plenty of "christians" who speak in tongues... and then live their life like the devil. lol. I know I had the Holy Spirit loooong before I ever spoke in tongues. God is much more concerned with your heart.
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I agree with you. I attended a charismatic church for awhile. I have a baptist background. I never felt the urge to speak in tongues yet I know I'm saved. Yet, people in the church, especially the women, judged me and my family as unsaved because we didn't speak in tongues.

I will not perform just to make people happy :)
 
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karine___

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all else the pastor on the video said (as far as i can remember) was right but this one bit about speaking in tongues made me stop watching. i accepted Jesus as my Savior as a little child, i did want Him in my life , but by what i heard growing up i always felt that that wasn't enough to be accepted as a God's child , that perhaps i had to go through a sort of ceremony where i would receive the Spirit otherwise i would be hell bound. that thought and others tortured me for years, i had then this idea that some people had been chosen by God because they were "special" somehow and that's just what the preacher on the video said after all...!
 
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beckyz

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No where in the Bible does it say you have to speak in tongues as proof of reading the Holy Spirit. On the day of Pentecost, when the apostles received the Holy Spirit the began speaking IN FOREIGN LANGUAGES, not the spiritual "tongues." That's why the foreigners in the crowd outside said, "Oh..they are speaking my language" Also the Bible says that speaking in tongues is the "least of the spiritual gifts." Don't let anyone make their own rules, check the Bbile.

As for being saved Romans 10:9 says, "If you believe in your heart and confess with your tongue that Jesus is Lord you will be saved." If you've done that eternity is yours.
 
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Lucy68

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beckyz said:
No where in the Bible does it say you have to speak in tongues as proof of reading the Holy Spirit. On the day of Pentecost, when the apostles received the Holy Spirit the began speaking IN FOREIGN LANGUAGES, not the spiritual "tongues." That's why the foreigners in the crowd outside said, "Oh..they are speaking my language" Also the Bible says that speaking in tongues is the "least of the spiritual gifts." Don't let anyone make their own rules, check the Bbile.

As for being saved Romans 10:9 says, "If you believe in your heart and confess with your tongue that Jesus is Lord you will be saved." If you've done that eternity is yours.
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Well said!
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Stuey said:
Corinthians is pretty clear on this issue. To some God gives the gift of speaking in Tongues, to others he gives other spiritual gifts.

The bible does not support the idea that you need to be able to speak tongues in order to have the holy spirit and this is an outright heresy, here is a passage that should help.

Cheers,

Stuey
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exactly what he said
 
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