Jesus Would Accept Homosexuals, why not you?

[jcason]

First off, I would like to say that I do not want to start some angry debate. I am just getting mad with all the people inboxing me rude messages when I am trying to defend my aunt. She is homosexual and she loves God and follows Jesus just like myself and you all do. She has received a lot of hate in her life from people of her own religious beliefs, and honestly, I am surprised she stuck with following God. She could have easily given up her faith from all the persecution and hate she received, but she kept going. She does truly love the Lord, and I feel I, and others, could learn a lot from her.

To be honest, I feel that she is so perfect, and since everyone sins, that was the one God had to give her. i do understand what the bible says, but I also understand what Jesus did. He accepted everybody, rich or poor. He loved his neighbors and treated others the way he wanted to be treated.

I just want to know why people are being so hateful, and not just staying out of her business, and worrying about yourself. Do you realize you can make fellow Christians feel unwelcome in there own faith? I feel worried that other homosexuals who believe in the lord will give up on faith because they feel hated, and not go to heaven, then the blood will be on your hands. You can disagree about something without expressing your opinions, or hating others for it.

Lets all do what Jesus would do, and just love everybody for who they are. Do not judge, and just treat everybody the way you would like to be treated. I do appreciate you reading this.

God Bless

 

[mystdancer50]

Jesus loves the sinner but hates the sin. Sin is what put Him on the cross. Whenever we allow sin to remain in our lives, we are not serving Christ. It says in His word that we have died to sin and so we are no longer slaves to sin. Some people have a hard time separating the person from the sin and offering them love while not accepting the sin. Your aunt is a woman that God very much loves and treasures, yet we must not be fooled. The Bible says that God is not mocked. What we sow we will reap. Anyone that continues in sin, using grace as a license to keep sinning, hasn't truly surrendered their lives to Christ. To surrender means to make Him Lord of your life and to live the life He wants you to live, not the one you want to live. We are called to be holy as He is holy. Any sin that we allow to continue in our lives is not being holy.

Yes, we all sin. Yes, we are all saved by grace. Grace is not a reason to lessen the seriousness of sin. The wages of sin is death and unrepentant sin is not forgiven. We are called to live a life of full surrender and to die daily to our flesh and to the compromises of this world.

 

[Witness45]

As long as you do still acknowledge it as a sin, then I agree 100% with the above.

Why people over emphasize this particular sin, I do not know...

 

[jcason]

As long as you do still acknowledge it as a sin, then I agree 100% with the above.

Why people over emphasize this particular sin, I do not know...

Thanks! I hope to figure out soon lol

 

[JesusChica1991]

The reason this particular sin is emphasized is because a lot of the extreme supporters keep throwing it at our face expecting us to condone the act of homosexuality and expect ministers to perform their ceremonies. I'm speaking as a former homosexual. I've been there. I've had the speeches given to me so I know what it's like coming from BOTH ends. The reality is that it IS a sin and it is considered an abomination to God. But I'm not going to condemn someone to hell for it. That's not my job as a Christian. My job as a Christian is to be the best example I can be and give them the light of Christ and love them as he would. And what I mean by that is he most certainly does not condone sin; but he is forgiving and is patient. Jesus is loving indeed and gracious...but, do you honestly believe that gives people to go on sinning knowing full well what they are doing? Certainly not.

 

[jjkg]

First off, we have to define what "love the Lord" means. To have feelings toward another is not "love" as defined by Jesus. I could say I loved my parents growing up yet disobeyed all there rules for me as their son. I may have feelings for my parents, but by my actions completely contradict my 'feelings'. My actions actually reveal my love for myself over 'love' for my parents. The same is true with God. Jesus even said it...."Those who love me will obey my commands." Those who desire to follow the Lord because of what He did for them will follow the Lord's commands. If they should sin, the Holy Spirit will convict them of that sin and bring them into repentance for it. Those who have unrepentantly chosen a lifestyle that is completely contradictory to God's desires and God's commands have placed themselves above God. Their chosen actions reveal a whole lot more than any words that may come out of their mouth. Words are easy and lips lie if the lifestyle doesn't follow. I do not hate homosexuals, and I believe the biggest reason as to why this seems to be made a bigger deal than any other sin is the push from that side of the fence that it is 'okay'. You see, no one will argue that the murder of innocent people is okay or that lying is okay, or that stealing things that don't belong to you are okay. No one will just call all those things 'an alternative lifestyle' either. The only way to grow as a Christian is to know what sin is and to just call a sin a sin. That's why this issue is such a big deal when you have a small portion of society trying to push their beliefs that it's not a sin, and the impact of it being put into laws will inevitably affect our freedom of religion. I gather that most people that are homosexual and desire to get married want just that, but understand there are groups out there that would be very happy to rid this country of this old-fashioned belief system and be more than willing to drag it through the justice and legal system in the hopes of putting it to death. I am not a hater, BUT I am a lover of the truth and I thank God for that truth. A sincere Christian will allow that truth to shape and mold them, and those that may claim to be a follower will be willing to compromise that truth to fit their desires. Sorry to be so blunt, but this is and never was about one's feelings if even those do not line up with the Word of God. If I, as a married, heterosexual male were to suddenly have a desire to sleep with someone other than my wife...I should look at those feelings through the light of God's Word. Knowing what God's Word says about adultery or even sex outside of biblical marriage, I may struggle with that desire/thought, but I know that God doesn't say anywhere in his word to fulfill every desire I may have. So knowing it is sin, I pray for His strength to overcome and remain obedient to Him and avoid situations/circumstances that give Satan the opportunity to tempt me. I hope that all didn't come off as mean. That is in no way my intentions, but as I mentioned before, God loves us so much that He did not hold the truth from us or the results of both following and not following that truth and I pray that people will be willing to accept that truth even for the sake of compromising anything they may be holding onto in this life. Take care.

 

[Glen]

Scripture consistently and repeatedly depicts sodomy (homosexuality) as the utter depths of sinful depravity. Not all sin is created equal (I John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.) Sodomy is always depicted as the worst - the point at which God gives up on man.

Sodomy is the only sin for which God ever destroyed towns with fire and brimstone (Genesis 19). The Book of Revelation tells us that in the last days God, in His anger, will reign down fire and brimstone on earth (Revelation 9, 14); it's not coincidence that now, as we approach the End of the Age, sodomy has become the sin of the times.

Scripture tells us that, because of sodomy, God has at times abandoned (given up on man), and let him do whatever he wants - with the utter absence of God: (Romans 1:24-28 Wherefore God also GAVE THEM UP to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God GAVE THEM UP unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God GAVE THEM OVER to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient) It's a serious thing to be utterly abandoned by God; it's something that happens only under the rarest of circumstances. The other sin with such consequences is the Unforgivable Sin (Luke 12:10).


95% of the world accepts and embraces the sodomist's sin; the only way the sodomist will ever be given the opportunity to repent and turn from his vile sin is if Christians give him the opportunity by clearly telling him to repent and turn; no one else will. We cannot give the sinner an opportunity to repent if we don't rebuke his sin for what it is. (Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?) If, by telling him the same coddling message as the rest of the world is telling him, the Christian fails to give the sodomist the opportunity to repent, the sodomist will go to the same hell as the rest of the world is. And the Christian will have to answer to God for it.

(Ezekiel 3:18-21 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. 20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.)

It's easy to use, 'Coddle and love him into the kingdom,' as a spineless excuse to cop out and not have to leave one's comfortable pew. Joel Osteen would welcome you. But Christians are the last chance the sodomist has before hell. Don't blow it by being a spineless milquetoast. Be faithful to Christ (If you love me keep my commandments. John 14:15).

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

jcason. My ministry back in the 80's almost seems like two life times ago, but WOW; It was a powerful and exciting time! We also encountered about this same time, five different gay men who came into our ministry at different times, now you have to remember no body knew a lot back then about aids or hiv, and we knew less then them. Two of these men were very sick and God healed both of them, He took away the lust of this sexual desire and both got married to wives and had children! One of them after a long time committed suicide. The other two came to our church off and on for the longest time. { I'm obviously shortening this as much as possible.} These people would not have come to us had they not felt loved and welcomed; but we did not water down any of our beliefs concerning this matter, and we always shared this with them. We considered this sexual immorality and the gravest of sins, and I still do.

But we offered them the same Olive Branch that God offered us; His Son, Christ Jesus and Him crucified! Both of the other two eventually died horrible deaths, but their love for Jesus was unshakable. Why there was so much difference between these five people I'll never know, but it changed us. Paul states in the book of Romans that there is a curse from God that comes with this kind of sexual immorality, and Romans is a New Testament document. But this is what we learned from those days:

There is no such thing as a gay christian. But there are Christians who are gay and struggle with this sort of sexual immorality.
There are no such thing as a whore monger christian. But there are Christians who struggle with this sort of sexual immorality.
There are no such thing as an adulterer christian. But there are Christians who commit adultery.
There are no such thing as a murderer christian. But there are Christians who have murdered.
There are no such thing as thief christian. But there are Christians who struggle with stealing.
There are no such thing as a Liar christian. But Christian who struggle with lying.

In short: We were over come by all of these things and really didn't have much instructions in how to deal with these issues. We were blatantly truthful with them concerning where we stood with God in the matter. We welcomed them and they felt loved and safe enough to continue on with us. We offered them the same Olive Branch that God offered us. That is all that I can offer you on this matter. We dared not judge them because we were stunned that they kept on coming to us, but we must judge all thing in Christ Jesus.

 

[Nautilus]

Scripture consistently and repeatedly depicts sodomy (homosexuality) as the utter depths of sinful depravity. Not all sin is created equal (I John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.) Sodomy is always depicted as the worst - the point at which God gives up on man.

Sodomy is the only sin for which God ever destroyed towns with fire and brimstone (Genesis 19). The Book of Revelation tells us that in the last days God, in His anger, will reign down fire and brimstone on earth (Revelation 9, 14); it's not coincidence that now, as we approach the End of the Age, sodomy has become the sin of the times.

Scripture tells us that, because of sodomy, God has at times abandoned (given up on man), and let him do whatever he wants - with the utter absence of God: (Romans 1:24-28 Wherefore God also GAVE THEM UP to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God GAVE THEM UP unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God GAVE THEM OVER to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient) It's a serious thing to be utterly abandoned by God; it's something that happens only under the rarest of circumstances. The other sin with such consequences is the Unforgivable Sin (Luke 12:10).


95% of the world accepts and embraces the sodomist's sin; the only way the sodomist will ever be given the opportunity to repent and turn from his vile sin is if Christians give him the opportunity by clearly telling him to repent and turn; no one else will. We cannot give the sinner an opportunity to repent if we don't rebuke his sin for what it is. (Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?) If, by telling him the same coddling message as the rest of the world is telling him, the Christian fails to give the sodomist the opportunity to repent, the sodomist will go to the same hell as the rest of the world is. And the Christian will have to answer to God for it.

(Ezekiel 3:18-21 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. 20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.)

It's easy to use, 'Coddle and love him into the kingdom,' as a spineless excuse to cop out and not have to leave one's comfortable pew. Joel Osteen would welcome you. But Christians are the last chance the sodomist has before hell. Don't blow it by being a spineless milquetoast. Be faithful to Christ (If you love me keep my commandments. John 14:15).

You realize sodomy occurs quite frequently among straight couples as well right? Unless you're just really boring in your marriage that is...

 

[Witness45]

You realize sodomy occurs quite frequently among straight couples as well right? Unless you're just really boring in your marriage that is...

LOL. Okay, that one made me giggle... XD

 

[mystdancer50]

Sodomy is wrong in any way or shape, even within marriage between a man and a woman. The Bible is clear about this.

Homosexuality is against God's plan, as is explained in Romans 1.

We are no longer slaves to sin, therefore, Christ has given us the strength to overcome any sin, including sexual immorality. Sin is a choice that develops into a habit when we keep feeding the appetite. It is hard to break habits, but we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us. I believe the church in this day and age feels that they can stand before Christ on that day and say, "I am saved by grace and I just couldn't stop sinning in this one area, but I was still a Christian." Know this, though. When the Scriptures say,

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6)

Paul is addressing the church. So, no, not one single habitual sin will be excused, even under grace. Once the truth is spoken and the knowledge is given, we are called to live righteously and to be holy as Christ is holy. Holding onto habitual and willful sin is not living a holy life.

 

[JimJimmers]

it's not coincidence that now, as we approach the End of the Age, sodomy has become the sin of the times.

That could easily have been said during the Roman Empire. There's nothing new under the sun.

 

[Ugly]

First off, I would like to say that I do not want to start some angry debate. I am just getting mad with all the people inboxing me rude messages when I am trying to defend my aunt. She is homosexual and she loves God and follows Jesus just like myself and you all do. She has received a lot of hate in her life from people of her own religious beliefs, and honestly, I am surprised she stuck with following God. She could have easily given up her faith from all the persecution and hate she received, but she kept going. She does truly love the Lord, and I feel I, and others, could learn a lot from her.

To be honest, I feel that she is so perfect, and since everyone sins, that was the one God had to give her. i do understand what the bible says, but I also understand what Jesus did. He accepted everybody, rich or poor. He loved his neighbors and treated others the way he wanted to be treated.

I just want to know why people are being so hateful, and not just staying out of her business, and worrying about yourself. Do you realize you can make fellow Christians feel unwelcome in there own faith? I feel worried that other homosexuals who believe in the lord will give up on faith because they feel hated, and not go to heaven, then the blood will be on your hands. You can disagree about something without expressing your opinions, or hating others for it.

Lets all do what Jesus would do, and just love everybody for who they are. Do not judge, and just treat everybody the way you would like to be treated. I do appreciate you reading this.

God Bless

To repeat what i've said before in other similar posts, a large part of this is the way the homosexual community handles itself. They pit anyone who doesn't support them as enemies. There is no in between. Either you support homosexuality or you're a homophobe, hateful bigot. Not allowed to simply say you don't agree. The homosexual agenda is very aggressive, intrusive and allows nothing but 100% support. So the natural reaction for people is to either give in and accept, or to be forced into being 'the opposition'. You can only be treated as the enemy for so long before you get sick of it. Homosexuals turn a lot of people off and create more enemies with this mentality. Maybe she doesn't do this, but this is the overall take on homosexuality. So, in reality, she has other homosexuals to thank for her treatment.

 

[Nautilus]

Sodomy is wrong in any way or shape, even within marriage between a man and a woman. The Bible is clear about this.

Is it? Because I've read it cover to cover a couple times and must have missed the part where it said 'thou shalt only have missionary style intercourse.'

Maybe I should have been reading a KJV?

 

[RedTent]

That could easily have been said during the Roman Empire. There's nothing new under the sun.

This is true, but whenever it has become common the nation where it is common has fallen. That was true in Rome.

 

[RedTent]

To repeat what i've said before in other similar posts, a large part of this is the way the homosexual community handles itself. They pit anyone who doesn't support them as enemies. There is no in between. Either you support homosexuality or you're a homophobe, hateful bigot. Not allowed to simply say you don't agree. The homosexual agenda is very aggressive, intrusive and allows nothing but 100% support. So the natural reaction for people is to either give in and accept, or to be forced into being 'the opposition'. You can only be treated as the enemy for so long before you get sick of it. Homosexuals turn a lot of people off and create more enemies with this mentality. Maybe she doesn't do this, but this is the overall take on homosexuality. So, in reality, she has other homosexuals to thank for her treatment.

As Christians, we try to follow God's plan for us, not the world. We are to treat them kindly, but stay away from them. When women try to be one with women and men with men it is a joining that is terrible in God's eyes. How we would like it to be doesn't matter, we are God's creation living in God's world.

It is heartbreaking to have this with someone you love! I am truly sorry.

 

[flight316]

You realize sodomy occurs quite frequently among straight couples as well right? Unless you're just really boring in your marriage that is...[/QUOTEReally, that doesn't make it right. Its medically and physically unsafe. The anal walls can experiance tearing which allows waste to pass the wall causing infection witch leadd to anal surgery. Also the anus can become enlarged from penatration which causes the anus to become loose and unable to hold waste properly.

 

[mystdancer50]

Is it? Because I've read it cover to cover a couple times and must have missed the part where it said 'thou shalt only have missionary style intercourse.'

Maybe I should have been reading a KJV?

We all agree that the Bible says sodomy is wrong (hopefully) and sodomy is defined as "anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal", thus, sodomy is always wrong, even in marriage.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (CEV), Don’t you know that evil people won’t have a share in the blessings of God’s kingdom? Don’t fool yourselves! No one who is immoral or worships idols or is unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or behaves like a homosexual will share in God’s kingdom. Neither will any thief or greedy person or drunkard or anyone who curses and cheats others.

 

[Nautilus]

see i guess i find nothing wrong with the act in a heterosexual marriage. One can extrapolate their own interpretation of scriptures to show its wrong for them but as a whole, I dont believe there is anything that is wrong in bed when kept between two consenting married adults.

 

[mystdancer50]

The medical repercussions that come from sodomy proves the case scientifically. These things don't go away just because the couple engaging in it are married.