Masturbation?

[j_1]

Is it okay?

 

[NodMyHeadLikeYeah]

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Apparently its not okay in michingan

 

[glenwood74]

There will be many people on here who will try to justify their own sin by declaring masturbation OK. They will claim that it is never in the bible and that fantasizing about sex isn't the same as being lustful. They are wrong and they are living in sin. Masturbation is a destructive force from your fleshly desires and acting on those improper desires alone is never justified. You cannot pray to Jesus or have communion with the Holy Spirit while you perform this act. Jesus said in Mark 7:

20. He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.'
21. For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,
22. greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly.
23. All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean.' "

We are to fight against these evil thoughts with the help of the Holy Spirit. But never be fooled by anyone who tells you that masturbation is not a sin, for they know the truth but they desire to remain filthy.

 

[Kooper]

The guy above has a good point.

 

[Clement]

Dude,
This topic has probably been discussed a zillion times.
Why don't you use the search feature before posting a thread

 

[zavok]

gd stress relif

 

[livingbygrace]

Masturbation that involves lustful thoughts has to be viewed as wrong. But much else is wrong as well. I wouldn't like to see a situation where people who are in the grip of masturbation were left to feel they were the worst sinners on earth.

For anyone who does struggle with it, I would advise them to read Rom7:7-11 KJV

The Apostle Paul struggled with lust. It is imperitive that if we are concerned with truly helping someone struggling with this issue we advise them of what caused lust in the Apostle Paul and how it was defeated.

My advice would be to read the whole of Romans with an emphasis on chs 3-8 and the book of Galatians. In case you have not read my previous comments on this. I have been told by an American that half the sex addicts in America have been to holiness churches.

According to the Apostle Paul if we live according to the law(how good we can be) and base our Christianity according to how pure and good we ourselves can be, we will become worse sinners.

The way to be free of sins that wrap themselves tightly around us is to bring such things to Christ, ask Him to deal with them and then trust him.

I do not feel I can rewrite at this time everything again I have on this subject, but basically a Christian has to live their lives by faith in Christ, sincere faith, faith that wants to be free of these things, but a realisation we cannot do it ourselves.

Charles Spurgeon said we are saved by faith, and sanctified(made Holy) by faith. No-one can do it in therir own strength. I t is by faith in Christ and the Holy Spirit working in us. As long as we ourselves keep looking at the problem and try and rid ourselves of it we never will. We are actually ignoring the cross of Christ. One thing, for the sincere Christian Christ died for every sin you could ever commit. Therefore we trust in Christ to deal with the issue and are not under condemnation in the meantime. Only the person themselves knows if in their heart they love God and want to be with him, if they do not, my words should be ignored. You cannot play games with this.

Paul said that when he himself tried to live a good life according to the Ten Commandments he became a worse sinner, it was only by looking to Jesus and trusting him that he became free. A voice may whisper in your head during your struggles. 'You can't be a Christian and act like that.' That for the sincere Christian is satan trying to stop you trusting Christ

And do not let anyone make you feel more crushed with guilt than you may already do, they have their issues as well, but are hardly likely to tell you them all. It is with your heart you are purified by faith. Do not judge your Christianity by how good a life you can personally in your own strength live. It is only by realising you cannot do it yourself, only by looking to Christ and trusting him

Read Romans and Galatians in an easy translation(apart from Rom7:7-11

Hope that helps.

 

[livingbygrace]

There will be many people on here who will try to justify their own sin by declaring masturbation OK. They will claim that it is never in the bible and that fantasizing about sex isn't the same as being lustful. They are wrong and they are living in sin. Masturbation is a destructive force from your fleshly desires and acting on those improper desires alone is never justified. You cannot pray to Jesus or have communion with the Holy Spirit while you perform this act. Jesus said in Mark 7:

20. He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.'
21. For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,
22. greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly.
23. All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean.' "

We are to fight against these evil thoughts with the help of the Holy Spirit. But never be fooled by anyone who tells you that masturbation is not a sin, for they know the truth but they desire to remain filthy.

You are saying you can't pray while the act is actually being committed aren't you?

 

[zavok]

Apparently its not okay in michingan[/quote photo removed]

no no its not ok to do it in the showers

 

[livingbygrace]

I would like to add what happened in my own personal life concerning masturbation. As a teenager I regularly masturbated. Actually the more I felt the act was wrong the more excitement there was in cdommitting the act. I wish I had read my Bible and understood why. For teenagers it can be very hard to avoid masturbation, you need very supportive and constructive advice, not led to feel filthy. That will just make you worse.

The church I attended during this time left me with the impression that I had to live an almost perfect life and if I didn't I was in dangers of the fires of hell. This just increaserd the things I did that were wrong in my life. That is not living by the true Gospel. I desperately wanted to please God, but the harder I tried to be good the worse I became. Eventually at nineteen I became a Christian and fortunately read a book that spoke of Grace.

I learnt that God loved me, and that he would change me if I trusted in His Son. He wanted me to believe in the sacrifice His Son made for me, not try to be good enough in my own strength to be acceptable to God. This was a new revelation for me. All of my teenage years I had felt dirty and wortthless due to masturbation and an inability to succeed as my parents wanted.

Anyway I decided toi live by faith in Christ, not my own struggling to be a perfect Christian. For three days after I read the book on grace, I masturbated. Whereas before I would have felt crushed and given up with God, this time I didn't. I looked to Jesu and trusted Him. Believing I was saved not because of my personal goodness but because He loved me.

It was hard a voice to me I couldn't be a Christian and masturbate, but for the first time I igmnored it and lived by faith in Christ. I wanted to be free of it, yes, but I would not let it stop me accepting I was saved or praying. After four days the masturbation stiopped. I had continuosly committed this act for six years. I can categorically say had I let the act condemn me and not lived by the law of faith in Christ I would not have been free

And that for a sincere Christian is how we must all live, by faith in Christ. Would your parents abandon you if you made a mistake? Of course they wouldn't if they love you. Do you thnk God would, he loves you far more than they ever could. God wants you to trust in His Son, it must have hurt Him watching the nails being driven into Jesus hands and feet, but that was His plan to save all of us sinners.

No--one who truly trusts in Jesus will ever be disappointed. Don't struggle in yourself to do what he is yearning to do for you in the power of the Holy Spirit. If you could yourself from your sins Christ need not have died on the cross

While we were yet without strength Christ died for the unGodly

God does not expect people without strength to change themselves. Do not let anyone crush you with impossible demands as I was crushed. Do not ignore Christ's sacrifice on the cross for you

You will only ever have one righteousness in God's eyes, faith in His son who died for you.

 

[glenwood74]

I would like to add what happened in my own personal life concerning masturbation. As a teenager I regularly masturbated. Actually the more I felt the act was wrong the more excitement there was in cdommitting the act. I wish I had read my Bible and understood why. For teenagers it can be very hard to avoid masturbation, you need very supportive and constructive advice, not led to feel filthy. That will just make you worse.

The church I attended during this time left me with the impression that I had to live an almost perfect life and if I didn't I was in dangers of the fires of hell. This just increaserd the things I did that were wrong in my life. That is not living by the true Gospel. I desperately wanted to please God, but the harder I tried to be good the worse I became. Eventually at nineteen I became a Christian and fortunately read a book that spoke of Grace.

I learnt that God loved me, and that he would change me if I trusted in His Son. He wanted me to believe in the sacrifice His Son made for me, not try to be good enough in my own strength to be acceptable to God. This was a new revelation for me. All of my teenage years I had felt dirty and wortthless due to masturbation and an inability to succeed as my parents wanted.

Anyway I decided toi live by faith in Christ, not my own struggling to be a perfect Christian. For three days after I read the book on grace, I masturbated. Whereas before I would have felt crushed and given up with God, this time I didn't. I looked to Jesu and trusted Him. Believing I was saved not because of my personal goodness but because He loved me.

It was hard a voice to me I couldn't be a Christian and masturbate, but for the first time I igmnored it and lived by faith in Christ. I wanted to be free of it, yes, but I would not let it stop me accepting I was saved or praying. After four days the masturbation stiopped. I had continuosly committed this act for six years. I can categorically say had I let the act condemn me and not lived by the law of faith in Christ I would not have been free

And that for a sincere Christian is how we must all live, by faith in Christ. Would your parents abandon you if you made a mistake? Of course they wouldn't if they love you. Do you thnk God would, he loves you far more than they ever could. God wants you to trust in His Son, it must have hurt Him watching the nails being driven into Jesus hands and feet, but that was His plan to save all of us sinners.

No--one who truly trusts in Jesus will ever be disappointed. Don't struggle in yourself to do what he is yearning to do for you in the power of the Holy Spirit. If you could yourself from your sins Christ need not have died on the cross

While we were yet without strength Christ died for the unGodly

God does not expect people without strength to change themselves. Do not let anyone crush you with impossible demands as I was crushed. Do not ignore Christ's sacrifice on the cross for you

You will only ever have one righteousness in God's eyes, faith in His son who died for you.

That is an amazing testimony. I'm not quite sure I understand your answer to the question, though. The question was, is it wrong? It seems that you are saying that the conviction and filthiness you felt was all man made and that God was perfectly happy that you were engaged in this repetitive sinful act. Although the Lord will love us as sinners enough to save us from that sin by His ever-loving grace and mercy, that does not mean that He is 'OK' with our sin. The Lord desires and demands that we forsake our sinful past and that we seek deliverance through His son, Jesus Christ. If we stay in our sin then we are the dogs returning to their vomit; the pigs that when washed return to the mud. We are to speak the truth in love, but denying the fact that the wages of sin is death is not speaking the truth in love; it's the serpent in the garden justifying a sinful act against the truth of God.

 

[1still_waters]

This topic has been talked about too much. If you're really seeking answers, search the forum threads with the keyword. You'll find every angle possible on this topic. I'm closing this thread.