Prohecy today?-

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JimM1228

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Alot of people have been claiming to be prophets and have been asking questions about them. after some research i feel that these may not be the best way to Glorify God. in my own opinion that is. i have conjured up a conclusion and i hope you guys take time to read this. btw sorry for putting so much in lol

The gift of prophet seems to have been a temporary gift given by the Christ for the laying of the foundation of the church. Prophets were foundational to the church (Ephesians 2:20). The prophet proclaimed a message from the Lord to the early believers. Sometimes a prophet’s message was revelatory (new revelation and truth from God) and sometimes a prophet’s message was predictive (see Acts 11:28 and 21:10). The early Christians did not have the complete Bible. Some early Christians did not have access to any of the books of the New Testament. The New Testament prophets “filled the gap” by proclaiming God’s message to the people who would not have access to it otherwise. The last book of the New Testament (Revelation) was not completed until late in the first century. So, the Lord sent prophets to proclaimed God’s Word to His people.

If the purpose of a prophet was to reveal truth from God, why would we need prophets if we have the completed revelation from God in the Bible? If prophets were the “foundation” of the early church, are we still building the “foundation” today? Can God give someone a message to deliver to someone else? Absolutely! Does God reveal truth to someone in a supernatural way and enable that person to deliver that message to others? Absolutely! But is this the biblical gift of prophecy? No.

Whatever the case, whenever a person claims to be speaking for God (the essence of prophecy) the key is to compare what is said with what the Bible says. If God were to speak through a person today, it would be in 100% complete agreement with what God has already said in the Bible. God does not contradict Himself. 1 John 4:1 instructs us, “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.” 1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 declares, “Do not treat prophecies with contempt. Test everything. Hold on to the good.” So, whether is it a “word from the Lord” or a supposed prophecy, our response should be the same. Compare what is said to what the Word of God says. If it contradicts the Bible, throw it out. If it agrees with the Bible, pray for wisdom and discernment as to how to apply the message (2 Timothy 3:16-17; James 1:5).
 
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AnandaHya

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didn't you post this on another forum? i posted my answer on that one.
 
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JimM1228

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yes just trying to spread the word lol the site i got this from was really helpful
 
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Hi Jim,

I read your thoughts. You happen to say: "Can God give someone a message to deliver to someone else? Absolutely! Does God reveal truth to someone in a supernatural way and enable that person to deliver that message to others? Absolutely! But is this the biblical gift of prophecy? No."

According to the Bible, those actions are defined as prophetic:
"Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. 2 You are to say everything I command you, and your brother Aaron is to tell Pharaoh to let the Israelites go out of his country.3 But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and though I multiply my miraculous signs and wonders in Egypt, 4 he will not listen to you. Then I will lay my hand on Egypt and with mighty acts of judgment I will bring out my divisions, my people the Israelites." -Exodus 7:1-4

So, if you are saying that a person who prophesies doesn't have the gift of prophecy, what scripture are you using to define what the gift of prophecy is and that it doesn't apply to those who prophesy??
 
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AnandaHya

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please post the website you got the words off of too, thanks.
 
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ASK

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I've wondered about this very subject before. Glad I read this!
 
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I'm not sure if this is where he got it from but this is the site I read the same article on a couple weeks ago.

Tending The Flocks: Calling All Prophets <---Click

Just thought I'd post that in case somebody would want to read the full article this was taken from for more information.
It's really interesting!

God bless!
-Scotty
 
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AnandaHya

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LOOK the articles says Prophecy still exist TODAY

"As a result, the gift of prophecy transitioned from primarily being a declaration of new revelation from God, to primarily (or exclusively) being a declaration of what God has already revealed, as recorded in His Word."

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JimM1228

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Spiritual_Plague said:
Hi Jim,

I read your thoughts. You happen to say: "Can God give someone a message to deliver to someone else? Absolutely! Does God reveal truth to someone in a supernatural way and enable that person to deliver that message to others? Absolutely! But is this the biblical gift of prophecy? No."

According to the Bible, those actions are defined as prophetic:
"Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. 2 You are to say everything I command you, and your brother Aaron is to tell Pharaoh to let the Israelites go out of his country.3 But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and though I multiply my miraculous signs and wonders in Egypt, 4 he will not listen to you. Then I will lay my hand on Egypt and with mighty acts of judgment I will bring out my divisions, my people the Israelites." -Exodus 7:1-4

So, if you are saying that a person who prophesies doesn't have the gift of prophecy, what scripture are you using to define what the gift of prophecy is and that it doesn't apply to those who prophesy??
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ahhh good verse friend. however keep in mind from what time period and from where you are referencing. i am not saying prophecy didnt exist in those times. i am saying today it does not. think if God has revealed something to you, perhaps something will happen or you need to change your actions. these things can be found in the Bible over and over therfore not making it a "prophecy" which is something NEW. there is nothing NEW in the world today that hasnt already happened or been spoken about in the bible. no circumstance that we cant use the scripture to deal with.
 
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JimM1228

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AnandaHya said:
LOOK the articles says Prophecy still exist TODAY

"As a result, the gift of prophecy transitioned from primarily being a declaration of new revelation from God, to primarily (or exclusively) being a declaration of what God has already revealed, as recorded in His Word."

that is important to include in this thread.....
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what i dont understand there is they are giving one word two definitions. A prophecy is a process in which one or more messages that have been communicated to a true prophet[1] are then communicated to others by this true prophet. Such messages typically involve divine inspiration, interpretation, or revelation of conditioned events to come. it just doesnt make sense to call it prophecy if you are merely repeating things that have already happened.
 
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Joshua175

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Well you know. My mom got a ''word of knowledge'' from the 700 club that she would be pregnant with me, then she felt heat run through her body. My dad got home and she told him that she was pregnant. A couple weeks later they found out that she was pregnant, she had me. Personally, to me, if the bible doesn't say the gift has gone away, which it doesn't. It probably hasn't. And being that I have experienced the gift in action, I can say, it's a gift that people still have but prophecy doesn't always serve the same service. We have all given a measure of the Holy Ghost, which is capable of anything. Through Faith, I could tell a mountain to be removed and cast into the ocean and it would obey.
 
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Joshua175

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"We have all been given a measure of the Holy Ghost" and of course in context I'm talking about those whom believe and accept Jesus into their hearts.
 
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JimM1228

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although i respect what you say i am not sure if i fully agree. i think some people are misunderstanding the main point. i am talking about those claiming to see the future, know the future, and tell everyone about it. can we have visions from God?yes. can we have dreams?yes. this is a popular verse although i dont remember what book but i cant look right now. i just feel that we need to discern ourselves to know the truth before the FALSE prophets come as described in the book of Revelation. thats all.
 
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Jason83

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Personally, I believe that there is a difference between a "word of knowledge", and a real prophecy. For prophecy, I believe it is very large scale event that effects a city, nation, or globally such as the coming of the anti-Christ.

On the other hand, a "word of knowledge" is an individualized word from God through the holy spirit. For example, if I was having a really bad day, and maybe I was at a grocery store, God might tell another Christian to come to me, and say something like "Have faith in God and he will see you through your situation" for encouragement, or if I was sick, they might come and say that I will be healed.

I see strong distinction between the two, but others may not.
 
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JimM1228

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Jason83 said:
Personally, I believe that there is a difference between a "word of knowledge", and a real prophecy. For prophecy, I believe it is very large scale event that effects a city, nation, or globally such as the coming of the anti-Christ.

On the other hand, a "word of knowledge" is an individualized word from God through the holy spirit. For example, if I was having a really bad day, and maybe I was at a grocery store, God might tell another Christian to come to me, and say something like "Have faith in God and he will see you through your situation" for encouragement, or if I was sick, they might come and say that I will be healed.

I see strong distinction between the two, but others may not.
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agreed, well said brother
 
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AnandaHya

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some one sent me something they believe is the modern day prophets council I'll post the websites when I get home. at work for lunch right now. but they supposedly predicted the earthquakes and wars and things. I don't know i'm still reading it. but you guys can read it too and tell me what you think of it all when I get a chance.

I think prophets exist but many are not prophets of GOD but worship Mammon or money or other demons.

However there has to be true prophets to put to shame the false ones.

THe false ones have a lot of magician tricks but i'm still in prayer about certain things so I"ll just get you the sites and you judge what you think yourself. :)

Peace of the Lord be upone those who do God's will. :)
 
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AnandaHya

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Warning the link is very contentious and contraversail and i just got emailed it this morning....

Islam The Lies and Deceptions She emailed me three others too. mmm....
 
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AnandaHya

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ok that website is concerning. not very Biblically based. I would not trust anything on it. IT has truth mixed with lies like aliens, etc... Sherry Shriner, is now on my avoid reading list. She may have some prophecies come true but it wil because a spirit/demon not the HOLY SPIRIT. like in Acts the one that tormented Apostle Paul who is still deceiving and speaking negatively against him today. :( very sad. I think I will just have to write off that possible friendship for she ( the one who sent me it, has already blocked me but i have a hard time letting people run to the arms of the Enemy Lucifer. She thinks he is GOD but changes his name to whatever that Shriner lady calls Jesus and God. :( Please pray everyone.

that is the danger of denying the BIble and take parts out that you don't like.
 
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JimM1228

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AnandaHya said:
ok that website is concerning. not very Biblically based. I would not trust anything on it. IT has truth mixed with lies like aliens, etc... Sherry Shriner, is now on my avoid reading list. She may have some prophecies come true but it wil because a spirit/demon not the HOLY SPIRIT. like in Acts the one that tormented Apostle Paul who is still deceiving and speaking negatively against him today. :( very sad. I think I will just have to write off that possible friendship for she ( the one who sent me it, has already blocked me but i have a hard time letting people run to the arms of the Enemy Lucifer. She thinks he is GOD but changes his name to whatever that Shriner lady calls Jesus and God. :( Please pray everyone.

that is the danger of denying the BIble and take parts out that you don't like.
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thank you so much for your honesty and concern before even sharing the link. praise God that you were able to discern these things :)
 
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