Smoking Marijuana?

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I feel marijuana was made to heal not cause paranoia or hallucination. See the government has inflicted fear among those that smoke weed, that is why people are afraid to get it and have to hide to smoke. When weed is smoked you have to feel at complete peace w no worries. Some people that smoke and get paranoid either experienced something traumatic or they are afraid of getting caught by the law or think of to many negative things that are typically outta there control. Another interesting thing is people like myself that believe that I get revealed a message when I smoke weed; I get called crazy or doctors would diagnose me w some scientific social mental disease. Mental doctors are scientifically trained to believe that anyone that does drugs "hallucinates". And then prescribe you a pill that fogs up the connection you have in your mind w God. These drugs they prescribe actually causes the imbalance they claim comes from weed. I remember I told this mental doctor that I was a messenger from God, and sarcastically laughed at me and said I'm upping your dosage! And I wasn't even smoking weed! I don't see the balance in that, that a professional doctor would laugh in my face and give me some dopey pill to eliminate the wonderful profound belief I have in the Lord God and just have my mind paralyzed and foggy w no thoughts at all. People are afraid to smoke weed and weed personally to me was meant to broaden an individuals horizon and heal them from a traumatic event in their life and to eliminate unhealthy fear, not to diagnose someone w a mental problem or arrest them, especially those that do not smoke weed to abuse it but to heal and if following God, to reveal a message through the herb. They say it kills brain cells. Yeah for those that do not use their brains in a Godly trend but in the trend of being cool and perverse and party hardy!
 
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Never in all of the years that I've known marijuana, has anyone EVER hallucinated around me, or even spoke to me about it. Paranoia, short term memory loss and sometimes feeling ill have been the worst effects I've ever heard of from the horses mouth. AND I'VE KNOWN A LOT OF HORSES. It is EXTREMELY DIFFERENT THAN PCP, LSD and SHROOMS, I couldn't care less what any health book said if they claim such things. I have taken LSD and SHROOMS it is beyond the realm of comprehention to put them in the same continent, let alone the same ball park
I'm with you on this one DT its something only experience will teach you;) you can preach from any medical book you want makes no difference to me wisdom of something almost always comes from experience coupled with knowledge and like you I also have known a lot of horses.

peace and love my friend

Selah
 
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ITT: Attempts to justify sin.

an earlier post apparently people didn't read said:
Scriptures relating to the usage of Marijuana:

Obey laws:
Deuteronomy 17:2
Ecclesiaste 8:2-5
Matthew 22:21; 23:2-3
Romans 13:1-7
Titus 3:1
1 Peter 2:13-17
2 Peter 2:9-11

We must obey God, when laws contradict with divine imperative.
Daniel 3 and 6
Acts 5:29

Even if we don't like that it's illegal:
Matthew 23:1-36 (Emphasis 1-4) Christ orders the disciples to obey the Pharisees, even though Christ rebuked them.
1 Peter 2:18-23

We are ordered to be above reproach for the sake of the Gospel:
1 Corintihians 10:32
2 Corinthians 4:2 and 6:3
Titus 2:1-8
2 Peter 3:14

Health:
Matthew 25:13-30
(More on that here http://www.nida.nih.gov/NIDA_notes/N...epVol15N1.html)
1 Cor 6:19-20
1 Peter 1:17-19
1 Cor 3:16-17

Susceptibility to deception:
John 8:44
1 Cor 15:34
1 Thess 5:4-8
2 Tim 4:5
1 Peter 1:13; 4:7; 5:8
1 Peter 5:8
1 Peter 4:7
Isaiah 1:10-17

If your motivation to use Marijuana is because you want to get high, you are following not only lust of the flesh, but also an idol. You cannot serve two Gods. (Matt 6:24)
Also, Titus 2:12
 
Aug 18, 2011
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ITT: Attempts to justify sin.
In matters like this I will trust those with experience rather than those quoting scripture about something they probably never tried anyway and haven't got a clue what they're talking about!

Deadtosin knows what he's talking about! Those that do not should take a back seat and listen!

So far as the legality is concerned if it wasn't for people like me fighting to keep the rights and freedoms our fathers fought and died for, people like you wouldn't be able to sit in the comfort of your home and dispense scripture on your laptop to someone like me about a topic they obviously know nothing about nor obviously had any involvement in.
Any law contrary or claiming to be over and above the laws stated in the scriptures is unnecessary,unwanted and definitely not needed.

Or perhaps you like to pay for all the lawyers judges and civil servants that we have making new laws every month to bind you a little more............no...........thought not.

The government is as much responsible for the propigation of the whole drug war as anyone. Perhaps if they hadn't put as much light on the topic in the 50's and 60's they wouldn't have the mess they have today remember the movie refer madness what a joke.

Are you telling me that with all the airport scanners, dogs, security personell, police, homeland security, privately organized vigilante groups that they have today on our borders and within the country itself that they can't stop it HOGWASH.
Ever hear of conficsation of proceeds of crime if they wanted to stop it THEY WOULD but the money they make from just the confiscations alone is staggering.
No one is attempting to justify sin Jimmy quite the opposite in fact but if you are gonna play the high and holier than thou card with me better get your facts straight.
 
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P.S. Jimmy I checked your references too and not ONE supports your arguement.

DIGG harder!
 

lil_christian

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I'm with you on this one DT its something only experience will teach you;) you can preach from any medical book you want makes no difference to me wisdom of something almost always comes from experience coupled with knowledge and like you I also have known a lot of horses.

peace and love my friend

Selah
I was not not really "preaching" from medical or health books. I was not really even preaching. I was giving facts. Ok, whether people want to admit it or not, ANY drug can be dangerous. Ok in turn, things will come back and bite you. Whether it be antibiotics, steroids, cigarettes, weed, alcohol...even Tylenol will come back to bite you eventually. I KNOW someone who used plenty of hallucinogens. Once, she was hanging out with some "buddies." They'd gotten so high they saw stuff like the Grim Reaper (and since WHEN was the Grim Reaper of God??). And whether it be something the doctor prescribes to you or not, have you ever heard the side effects that are listed?? Just an anti-depressant can be dangerous. I know some things you have to experience on your own to find out, but seriously, drugs aren't one of them. And if it's against the law, why do it? If you have a job, you could endanger keeping it, and if police found out, you'd have to hide, and maybe even go as far as lying. Lying and disobeying the law are not of God. Below is a post about what Marijuana does. Please actually READ it before you shoot this down. I know, it's very long. But if you're going to read this post, please read ALL of it. (here is the link so I am not able to take credit for it. HowStuffWorks "Other Effects of Marijuana")

Other Physiological Effects of Marijuana


In addition to the brain, the side effects of marijuana reach many other parts of the body. Marijuana is filled with hundreds of chemicals, and when it is burned, hundreds of additional compounds are produced. When marijuana is inhaled or ingested in some other form, several short-term effects occur. Some of marijuana's side effects are:

  • Problems with memory and learning
  • Distorted perception
  • Difficulty with thinking and problem solving
  • Loss of coordination
  • Increased heart rate
  • Anxiety, paranoia and panic attacks
The initial effects created by the THC in marijuana wear off after an hour or two, but the chemicals stay in your body for much longer. The terminal half-life of THC is from about 20 hours to 10 days, depending on the amount and potency of the marijuana used. This means that if you take one milligram of THC that has a half-life of 20 hours, you will still have 0.031 mg of THC in your body more than four days later. The longer the half-life, the longer the THC lingers in your body.

The debate over the addictive capacity of marijuana continues. Ongoing studies now show a number of possible symptoms associated with the cessation of marijuana use. These symptoms most commonly include irritability, nervousness, depression, anxiety and even anger. Other symptoms are restlessness, severe changes in appetite, violent outbursts, interrupted sleep or insomnia. In addition to these possible physical effects, psychological dependence usually develops because a person's mind craves the high that it gets when using the drug.
Beyond these effects that marijuana has, marijuana smokers are susceptible to the same health problems as tobacco smokers, such as bronchitis, emphysema and bronchial asthma. Other effects include dry mouth, red eyes, impaired motor skills and impaired concentration. Long-term use of the drug can increase the risk of damaging the lungs and reproductive system, according to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA). It has also been linked to heart attacks

Yes I am "preaching" from a medical site right here, I'll admit that (I'm very interested in nutrition, holistic medication such as vitamins and minerals and actual natural stuff and about proper diet and how certain foods benefit you and how certain foods can harm you). But haven't you ever thought that just maybe, they're actually RIGHT?

Here is another thing about Marijuana HowStuffWorks "Marijuana and the Brain"

THC is a very potent chemical compared to other psychoactive drugs. An intravenous (IV) dose of only 1 milligram can produce serious mental and psychological effects. Once in your bloodstream, THC typically reaches the brain within seconds after it is inhaled and begins to go to work.
Marijuana users often describe the experience of smoking marijuana as initially relaxing and mellow, creating a feeling of haziness and light-headedness. The user's eyes may dilate, causing colors to appear more intense, and other senses may be enhanced. Later, feelings of a paranoia and panic may be felt by the user. The interaction of the THC with the brain is what causes these feelings. To understand how marijuana affects the brain, you need to know about the parts of the brain that are affected by THC. Here are the basics:

  • Neurons are the cells that process information in the brain. Chemicals called neurotransmitters allow neurons to communicate with each other.
  • Neurotransmitters fill the gap, or synapse, between two neurons and bind to protein receptors, which enable various functions and allow the brain and body to be turned on and off.
  • Some neurons have thousands of receptors that are specific to particular neurotransmitters.
  • Foreign chemicals, like THC, can mimic or block actions of neurotransmitters and interfere with normal functions.
In your brain, there are groups of cannabinoid receptors concentrated in several different places. These cannabinoid receptors have an effect on several mental and physical activities, including:

  • Short-term memory
  • Coordination
  • Learning
  • Problem solving
Cannabinoid receptors are activated by a neurotransmitter called anandamide. Anandamide belongs to a group of chemicals called cannabinoids. THC is also a cannabinoid chemical. THC mimics the actions of anandamide, meaning that THC binds with cannabinoid receptors and activates neurons, which causes adverse effects on the mind and body.
High concentrations of cannabinoid receptors exist in the hippocampus, cerebellum and basal ganglia. The hippocampus is located within the temporal lobe and is important for short-term memory. When the THC binds with the cannabinoid receptors inside the hippocampus, it interferes with the recollection of recent events. THC also affects coordination, which is controlled by the cerebellum. The basal ganglia controls unconscious muscle movements, which is another reason why motor coordination is impaired when under the influence of marijuana.

And lastly, I am leaving you with these things: 1. Nothing except the Bible, meditating on Scripture, and prayer should bring you closer to God. 2. "What Would Jesus Do?" Do you seriously think Jesus would smoke Marijuana?? Do you think that when Jesus was up against Satan, after it was all done and over with, he decided "Eh why not smoke some weed? Satan stressed me, I need something to relax me." NOOOO way!! And if you say, "Heck no! His standards were alot higher, He was perfect." Well, shouldn't YOU set YOUR standards higher as a Christian to be pure in your ways? Yes, we are going to mess up. But that's why we have Jesus. We have been pardoned and have been given grace. But that doesn't totally justify things.

Romans 6:1-2
what shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?

Romans 12: 1
Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God

Those are my two cents, I hope you all take them into serious consideration. God Bless
 
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P.S. Jimmy I checked your references too and not ONE supports your arguement.

DIGG harder!
Care to elaborate? Could you show to us that they don't support? It would be beneficial to all that instead of just making unsubstantiated proclamations, that you actually back up your claims.


To put it quite simply: Just because you say it is so, doesn't make it so. Please show that it is so.
 

lil_christian

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If it makes ya feel any better Jimmydiggs, I agree with what you've been saying.
 
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If it makes ya feel any better Jimmydiggs, I agree with what you've been saying.
I noticed that! :)

While it is certainly nice to have allys, the central issue is not that we agree with each other, but rather with God.

Unfortunately with issues like this one, we make for ourselves a god in our own image. (god would never say no to the things i like, of course!)
 

lil_christian

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Do you think this grieves the Holy Spirit? Do you think it's a sin? Sometimes I smoke weed and it makes me think about God and the world, rather than becoming mindless.

Listen to the Voice of Truth. I urge you to go to your Heavenly Father in prayer about this. Ask Him to search you through, to reveal what grieves Him. Be prepared for the answers you get. They may be extremely hard, they may not be. But whatever answer you get, make sure they come from Him, and Him only. The devil likes to play tricks.
 

lil_christian

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I noticed that! :)

While it is certainly nice to have allys, the central issue is not that we agree with each other, but rather with God.

Unfortunately with issues like this one, we make for ourselves a god in our own image. (god would never say no to the things i like, of course!)
Yeah a lot of times that happens...but remember! Love is patient, love is kind... :) Gbu! Plenty of times I forget that...but that's just where I need more improvement is all and with effort on my part and letting Jesus make changes in me, it'll happen!
 
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I noticed that! :)

While it is certainly nice to have allys, the central issue is not that we agree with each other, but rather with God.

Unfortunately with issues like this one, we make for ourselves a god in our own image. (god would never say no to the things i like, of course!)


Well you would know more about that than I JAMES!
 
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I noticed that! :)

While it is certainly nice to have allys, the central issue is not that we agree with each other, but rather with God.

Unfortunately with issues like this one, we make for ourselves a god in our own image. (god would never say no to the things i like, of course!)
Listen to the Voice of Truth. I urge you to go to your Heavenly Father in prayer about this. Ask Him to search you through, to reveal what grieves Him. Be prepared for the answers you get. They may be extremely hard, they may not be. But whatever answer you get, make sure they come from Him, and Him only. The devil likes to play tricks.
Yes he certainly does. He's done a good job of trickery in this thread too!
 

lil_christian

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I was truly trying to give loving advice when I said what I said to Endlessgrace.
 
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Seriously? If you're referring to me and jimmy, please don't say anything at all.
I was and as far as this thread is concerned from hereafter LIL you won't have to worry about that and if you can't take the heat in the kitchen GET OUT!
 
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I was and as far as this thread is concerned from hereafter LIL you won't have to worry about that and if you can't take the heat in the kitchen GET OUT!
Muskokaman, it is duly noted that you have resorted to rhetoric and have not given any solid argument for your position on the basis of scripture.

Hence forth, until otherwise, it is to be assumed that you have no scriptural argument.
 

lil_christian

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I was and as far as this thread is concerned from hereafter LIL you won't have to worry about that and if you can't take the heat in the kitchen GET OUT!
It's not about taking the heat. I've taken plenty of hits in this lifetime. I can take someone pointing their finger at me. But I'll tell you what gets under my skin. Shooting others down because they all think they're right and if that other person disagrees well they're obviously the enemy. The person you're talking to online isn't the enemy! It's the devil and his minions.
 
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I was and as far as this thread is concerned from hereafter LIL you won't have to worry about that and if you can't take the heat in the kitchen GET OUT!
I'd be very meticulous about who is and is not under demonic influence. It's not exactly a charge that is to be dealt with lightly.