Where in the Bible do we find that keeping Sabbath (4th commandment) was abolished)?

[pengy]

How could anything be abolished when He clearly stated, "[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Read it along with the following verse:
Luke 16:17 And it is easier heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

The verse says "it is easier". The law didn't fail. Jesus fulfilled the parts of law that are symbolic of the Messiah. If you think that nothing has been abolished, then you should sacrifice animals for the forgiveness of your sins, give your tithes to the levites, etc..

Clearly this part of the law and others have been abolished.

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
Hebrews 7:18,19 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, for the law made nothing perfect....

You need to know which laws or parts of the Law were abolished. Otherwise you're going to make serious mistakes in interpreting the scriptures.

 

[pengy]

The sabbath was made for man (Mark 2:27). It's supposed to be a day of rest for us, not celebration. God rested on the seventh day to give us the model to follow. After all, God doesn't need to rest so why else would He do it?

Are you arguing against my answer? I don't understand.

 

[The_Wanderer]

Forget it, pengy. You're not making much sense to me and seem to be taking a Scripture here and a Scripture there in an attempt to make them appear contradictory so that your position is supported. I'm sorry I contributed to this mess.

 

[pengy]

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Question: "Does God require Sabbath-keeping of Christians?"

Answer: In Colossians 2:16-17, the apostle Paul declares, “Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.” Similarly, Romans 14:5 states, “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.” These Scriptures make it clear that, for the Christian, Sabbath-keeping is a matter of spiritual freedom, not a command from God. Sabbath-keeping is an issue on which God’s Word instructs us not to judge each other. Sabbath-keeping is a matter about which each Christian needs to be fully convinced in his/her own mind.

In the early chapters of the book of Acts, the first Christians were predominantly Jews. When Gentiles began to receive the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ, the Jewish Christians had a dilemma. What aspects of the Mosaic Law and Jewish tradition should Gentile Christians be instructed to obey? The apostles met and discussed the issue in the Jerusalem council (Acts 15). The decision was, “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood” (Acts 15:19-20). Sabbath-keeping was not one of the commands the apostles felt was necessary to force on Gentile believers. It is inconceivable that the apostles would neglect to include Sabbath-keeping if it was God’s command for Christians to observe the Sabbath day.

A common error in the Sabbath-keeping debate is the concept that the Sabbath was the day of worship. Groups such as the Seventh Day Adventists hold that God requires the church service to be held on Saturday, the Sabbath day. That is not what the Sabbath command was. The Sabbath command was to do no work on the Sabbath day (Exodus 20:8-11). Nowhere in Scripture is the Sabbath day commanded to be the day of worship. Yes, Jews in Old Testament, New Testament, and modern times use Saturday as the day of worship, but that is not the essence of the Sabbath command. In the book of Acts, whenever a meeting is said to be on the Sabbath, it is a meeting of Jews and/or Gentile converts to Judaism, not Christians.

When did the early Christians meet? Acts 2:46-47 gives us the answer, “Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.” If there was a day that Christians met regularly, it was the first day of the week (our Sunday), not the Sabbath day (our Saturday) (Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2). In honor of Christ’s resurrection on Sunday, the early Christians observed Sunday not as the “Christian Sabbath” but as a day to especially worship Jesus Christ.

Is there anything wrong with worshipping on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath? Absolutely not! We should worship God every day, not just on Saturday or Sunday! Many churches today have both Saturday and Sunday services. There is freedom in Christ (Romans 8:21;2 Corinthians 3:17; Galatians 5:1). Should a Christian practice Sabbath-keeping, that is, not working on Saturdays? If a Christian feels led to do so, absolutely, yes (Romans 14:5). However, those who choose to practice Sabbath-keeping should not judge those who do not keep the Sabbath (Colossians 2:16). Further, those who do not keep the Sabbath should avoid being a stumbling block (1 Corinthians 8:9) to those who do keep the Sabbath. Galatians 5:13-15 sums up the whole issue: “You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. The entire law is summed up in a single command: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.”

Recommended Resources: The End of the Law: Mosaic Covenant in Pauline Theology by Jason Meyer and Logos Bible Software.

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Biscuit, God gave you your own brain, please use it and don't just go by what others say.

1. The argument used with Romans 14 has been refuted.

2. Let's focus on Colossians 2 starting with verse 13.
Colossians 2:13,14 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was contrary to us...
Notice here that He is talking to gentile Christians, let's keep going reading on verse 16.
Colossians 2:16,17 So let no one judge you in food or drink, or regarding a festival, or a new moon, or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
Notice that Paul mentions the rituals that were exercised for the forgiveness of sins that took place every year within the nation of Israel. But now with Jesus' sacrifice there is no more need for these yearly rituals. These sabbath days are different from the 4th commandment. We can find these all in the book of Leviticus. For example:
Leviticus 23:13 It's grain offering shall be two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering made by fire to the Lord; for sweet aroma, and it's drinking offering shall be of wine..
Leviticus 23:24 Speak to the children of Israel, saying: 'In the seventh month, on the first of the month, you shall have a sabbath-rest..
For more thorough information, read the whole chapter and pay attention to the following: Leviticus 23:26-32.
With this said, Colossians 2:16,17 does not talk about the fourth commandment, but of the sabbaths found in the Book of the law that were shadow of the Messiah. The 4th commandment is not a shadow of the sacrifice of Jesus, since it was created before sin entered the world. Compare these with Hebrews 9:9,10 and especially Hebrews 10:1 which is a parallel to Colossians 2:16,17.
Hebrews 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
This nowhere talks about the ten commandments, which tell us what sin is.
The argument made with Colossians 2:16,17 saying that the Sabbath isn't necessary to be kept has been refuted.

3. The discussion that took place in Acts 15 is not in regards to the 10 commandments, but of the circumcision according to the law of Moses. If the gentiles were only given the commands to abstain from things polluted by idolatry, from blood, from strangled things, and sexual immorality, then we should kill, steal, and lie. Since these are nowhere given as commands to not do.

Biscuit, please prove that you don't have to keep the 4th commandment. I'll ask you a question. John wrote in 1 John 3:4:
Whosoever committeth sin, transgresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.

Question: Which law is John talking about?

 

[pengy]

Forget it, pengy. You're not making much sense to me and seem to be taking a Scripture here and a Scripture there in an attempt to make them appear contradictory so that your position is supported. I'm sorry I contributed to this mess.

I'm sorry. Keep in mind however that keeping the Sabbath holy is still a commandment and all Christians must obey it.

 

[The_Wanderer]

I'm sorry. Keep in mind however that keeping the Sabbath holy is still a commandment and all Christians must obey it.

And the confusion continues. I said I was unsure and gave a verse that seems to support the proposition that we must have a sabbath day. You came in to rebut that, but now you're on the other side again.

 

[ChristinaSanF]

This is a lot more simple then you think. Study covenants in Jewish tradition. Things like the sabbath were commandments given to the Jews (and only the Jews) under the Mosaic covenant. If you want to follow the sabbath then you better not eat pork either. The Jews also violated the mosaic covenant. Any Christians live under the new covenant which is established in the New Testament. Plain and simple. Hope that helps.

 

[The_Wanderer]

This is a lot more simple then you think. Study covenants in Jewish tradition. Things like the sabbath were commandments given to the Jews (and only the Jews) under the Mosaic covenant. If you want to follow the sabbath then you better not eat pork either. The Jews also violated the mosaic covenant. Any Christians live under the new covenant which is established in the New Testament. Plain and simple. Hope that helps.

Well, I don't eat pork.
I tend to stay away from eating any animals that are scavengers, for health reasons.

 

[pengy]

? Of course is not negotiable. Open your Old Testament and see that God makes a covenant with His chosen people (Israel) alone.



The Leviticus and the Deuteronomy are not God inspired?



Sin is more than the transgression of the law. Sin is the separation from God, sin is what hinders our union with God, what keeps us away from seeing God. The greek word for sin is "hamartia" which means "failure".

First point has been refuted.

They are inspired by God. We're not questioning their authenticity. You seem to not know that Moses wrote more than 600 laws in a book and placed it next to the ark of the covenant, while the 10 commandments were written by Jesus Christ Himself on two tablets of stone with His very finger, and these tablets were placed inside the ark.
Deuteronomy 10:2 And I will write on the tablets the words that were written on the first tablets, which you broke, and you shall put them in the ark.
Deuteronomy 10:5 Then I turned and came down from the mountain, and put the tablets in the ark, which I had made, and there they are, just as the Lord commanded me.
And now we'll see that the book that Moses wrote was placed elsewhere.
Deuteronomy 31:24-26 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 'Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God...
I'll leave it to you to discover why the 10 commandments were placed inside the ark while the book was placed beside it.

I agree with what you wrote about sin. You didn't answer the question in regards to 1 John 3:4. Here it goes again.

Which law is John talking about?

 

[ChristinaSanF]

You have clearly never had pork sinigang my friend.

 

[pengy]

This is a lot more simple then you think. Study covenants in Jewish tradition. Things like the sabbath were commandments given to the Jews (and only the Jews) under the Mosaic covenant. If you want to follow the sabbath then you better not eat pork either. The Jews also violated the mosaic covenant. Any Christians live under the new covenant which is established in the New Testament. Plain and simple. Hope that helps.

ChristinaSanF, clearly you haven't read anything that has been posted here.
You wrote a lot but didn't prove anything at all. You can't just say things like that and not provide biblical support.

1. Things like the sabbath were commandments given to the Jews (and only the Jews) under the Mosaic covenant.
2. If you want to follow the sabbath then you better not eat pork either.

I'll address these in order.

Where do you find in the Bible that the 4th commandment was given only to the Jews? First of all, the Jews didn't exist until Israel and Judah were divided hundreds of years later. The ones who were freed from Pharaoh were technically egyptians, not Jews. Jews were only those belonging to the tribe of Judah. But for the sake of the argument, let's study the bible to see if your claim stands.
Isaiah 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath; And keeps his hand from doing any evil.
Isaiah 56:6,7 Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him, and to the love the name of the Lord, to be his servants - Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath; And holds fast my covenant - Even them I will bring to my holy mountain...

Your first point has been refuted. Anyone who wanted to enter the covenant could enter it if they decided to obey God, this included keeping the Sabbath. It didn't matter where they were from. Therefore, it wasn't ONLY for the "Jews".
Furthermore, Jesus wrote that Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath (Mark 2:27). He said "man", not Jews. The Sabbath was made before Jews and Israelites existed.

2. ChristinaSanF, please read the 4th commandment in the bible and highlight where it says that one must not eat pork if they keep the Sabbath. Nowhere in the 10 commandments do we find anything about pork.

ChristinaSanF, the apostle John wrote the following in 1 John 3:4:
Whosoever committeth sin trangresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

My question to you ChristinaSanF, which law is John talking about?

 

[pengy]

And the confusion continues. I said I was unsure and gave a verse that seems to support the proposition that we must have a sabbath day. You came in to rebut that, but now you're on the other side again.

I NEVER tried to refute that. The Sabbath (Saturday) remains holy and we must keep it holy. Sorry for the confusion. Know that the 10 commandments were not abolished, while many things written in the Book of the law were abolished.