Are our sins really just burned away?

[zone]

Yes if we continue to sin after ''salvation'' we will receive a sinners reward.

Hebrews 10:26-31
26 For if we willfully sin after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation that shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden underfoot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again I shall judge my people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

This is a straight forward, very harsh word. To those that have accepted the sacrifice of Jesus' death yet continue to willfully commit sin, they will receive the harshest judgment of all. The judgment coming against them will be worse than anyone who has never accepted Jesus at all.

k....you say you've been saved for 10 years.

you haven't sinned in 10 years.

k.

lyin' is a sin, man.


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[jkalyna]

I believe our sins are washed away by the blood of jesus. It works both ways, like the double edged sword, dividing asunder the soul and the spirit. We are cleansed but if the love is there for sin, conviction will come around, with repentance, the LOrd God loves us enough to put us through the fire, to be purified, and come forth as gold, not silver not brass. He does burn the chaff and everything that is not holy from our spirit. It is his anointing and his power that we yield to him {God} through the covenant to deliever us from all evil. JOhn 17, jesus prayed, father keep them from the evil one. It says " God is a consuming Fire" in his presence everything that is unclean and unholy shall not stand. Our sin is like a back pack of pain, and luggage. He removes that from us, by his stripes we are healed. ​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Yes if we continue to sin after ''salvation'' we will receive a sinners reward.

Hebrews 10:26-31
26 For if we willfully sin after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation that shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden underfoot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again I shall judge my people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

This is a straight forward, very harsh word. To those that have accepted the sacrifice of Jesus' death yet continue to willfully commit sin, they will receive the harshest judgment of all. The judgment coming against them will be worse than anyone who has never accepted Jesus at all.

According to you gapper yappers all sin is willful. So according to your teaching, as soon as someone sins there is no more sacrifice for their sin.

You just really don't have a clue.

The writer of Hebrews was admonishing his fellow Hebrew believers to hold fast their faith in the shed blood of the Christ, and not return to the old system of animal sacrifices (which was still being practiced). If they had forsaken the sacrifice of the lamb of GOD, there would no longer be any sacrifice for their sins. No animal sacrifice had the power to save them.

Quit peddling your unbelief and fear.

 

[sinless]

According to you gapper yappers all sin is willful. So according to your teaching, as soon as someone sins there is no more sacrifice for their sin.

You just really don't have a clue.

The writer of Hebrews was admonishing his fellow Hebrew believers to hold fast their faith in the shed blood of the Christ, and not return to the old system of animal sacrifices (which was still being practiced). If they forsaken the sacrifice of the lamb of GOD, there would no longer be any sacrifice for their sins. No animal sacrifice had the power to save them.

Quit peddling your unbelief and fear.

Not sure what a gapper yapper is, but there is no way to misunderstand what this is saying. If you continue to sin after salvation you will suffer a worse judgment than those who were never saved at all

This is confirmed in 2 Peter

2 Peter 2
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Not sure what a gapper yapper is, but there is no way to misunderstand what this is saying. If you continue to sin after salvation you will suffer a worse judgment than those who were never saved at all

You completely misunderstand what those Hebrews verses are saying, i.e., if someone forsakes Christ, there is no sacrifice available for their sins.

A gapper yapper is someone whose mind has been deceived by man's philosophy to believe that he is sinless, and tries to drag as many people as he can into perdition with himself.

 

[sinless]

You completely misunderstand what those Hebrews verses are saying, i.e., if someone forsakes Christ, there is no sacrifice available for their sins.

A gapper yapper is someone whose mind has been deceived by man's philosophy to believe that he is sinless, and tries to drag as many people as he can into perdition with himself.

God's word says we have been cleansed of all sin, and empowered by Holy spirit to overcome all future temptation. I would be calling God a liar to believe anything else

 

[sinless]

Is gapper yapper something you on this site made up?

 

[zone]

According to you gapper yappers all sin is willful. So according to your teaching, as soon as someone sins there is no more sacrifice for their sin.

You just really don't have a clue.

The writer of Hebrews was admonishing his fellow Hebrew believers to hold fast their faith in the shed blood of the Christ, and not return to the old system of animal sacrifices (which was still being practiced). If they had forsaken the sacrifice of the lamb of GOD, there would no longer be any sacrifice for their sins. No animal sacrifice had the power to save them.

Quit peddling your unbelief and fear.

HeRoseFromTheDead;

 

[homwardbound]

1 Corinthians 3
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

This loss is the loss of reward

Some teach that the hay, wood , and stubble is sin, and it is going to be burned away because we are saved. This is not true.

The truth is all the works, hey, wood, stubble, silver, gold ect... are good works, the hey wood and stubble are good works done for selfish gain, the silver, gold, precious jewels are good works for service to men and to God with no selfish motives at all.

The good works done for selfish gain will be burned away, but the works done for God we will receive a reward, just like Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount.

Matthew 6
1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.


However our sins will be counted against us, unless we repent and forsake them

no flesh works in his sight will ever please God and all sin has been condemned to the flesh
So I declare you are wrong only works of the Spirit in and through the believer will survive.

 

[sinless]

no flesh works in his sight will ever please God and all sin has been condemned to the flesh
So I declare you are wrong only works of the Spirit in and through the believer will survive.

Umm you declare Im wrong yet say exactly what I said.

Seems odd to me

I guess some people dis like being disagreeable.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Is gapper yapper something you on this site made up?

Uh Sorta. Joint effort.

 

[sinless]

So there is no such thing as a gapper yapper, you all just made it up.

However if there were one Id be happy to be apart, seeing as what you call gapper yappers hold to the truth of scripture

 

[homwardbound]

Umm you declare Im wrong yet say exactly what I said.

Seems odd to me

I guess some people dis like being disagreeable.

Well then we are in agreement but by what I read then I misinterpreted you. And am glad you take no credit, for that is part of the whole truth, God gets it all, at least from me and now you right?

 

[Radius]

Sinless:
David in the Psalms cries over and over how much he sins. I can get verses if you need them, but you should know this. Are you greater than he? Is he in hell because he sinned throughout his life?

 

[homwardbound]

Greekchristian if you call Paul a sinner can you also show us the sin he did commit? Paul also said... That he has made himself an ensample unto you to follow him... Are you up to Paul's standard? Do you even know Paul and what or who he was?

Paul aslo teach... I say this unto you that you SINNETH NOT... would that not be hypocratical of Paul if he sin himself? Does God send out hypocrats or holy men to preach in HIS NAME?

Did you read Romans1? Paul says there in Roman's 1 that he recieved obedience to the Faith... what does that mean for you? Can a person recieve from God obedience to the faith and still sin? Ask yourself and share your answer with SCRIPTURE...

God said, Paul walked and lived as HIS VESSEL, an apostle... Do you know what the charactor identities for an apostle is? Do you know that apostles are GOD-APPOINTED to perfect a saint? Eph 4:11. How can a sinner perfect a nonsinner? A saint is already a person that stopped sinning... Look up the greek word HAGIOS... And those SAINTS needs to be perfected by apostles, prophets, pastors and evangelists... God's appointed office bearers... Not these play actors we know as pastors/ministers/priests... God appointed holy men! Filled with the Holy Spirit... Like Paul...

If you look at how Paul would re-act if you consider him a sinner.. read... Roman3:7.... Why do you judge Paul as sinner? He does not appriciate it...

Paul would not give himself any credit for the new behavior engrafted in him, rather only God gets the credit Cobus only God. so are you sure if you attain Sainthood that you will not take the credit. And Paul asked three times forthis problem whatever it was to go away and Gor replied God's grace is sufficient for Paul and is thus sufficient for me how about you?
2 Cor 12

 

[Radius]

God's word says we have been cleansed of all sin, and empowered by Holy spirit to overcome all future temptation. I would be calling God a liar to believe anything else

Contradict much? This just busts a wide hole through everything you've been "preaching" about being sinless to inherit eternal life doesn't it?

You know, everyone here when we get to Heaven will be exclaiming everything Christ did for us to be there, but IF you are there I think you will exclaiming everything YOU did to get there.

I don't know about anyone else, but I will be praising God throughout ALL eternity for what HE did for me, and everything I did was as filthy rags, unworthy and not enough...That is what salvation is. Admitting we couldn't do it and cried out to a loving God for salvation. You are hinging going to heaven on works, which CANNOT save you.

 

[homwardbound]

Yes if we continue to sin after ''salvation'' we will receive a sinners reward.

Hebrews 10:26-31
26 For if we willfully sin after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation that shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden underfoot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again I shall judge my people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

This is a straight forward, very harsh word. To those that have accepted the sacrifice of Jesus' death yet continue to willfully commit sin, they will receive the harshest judgment of all. The judgment coming against them will be worse than anyone who has never accepted Jesus at all.

When is any sin never not willful?
I see the above saying as if one neglects such a great salvation where our sins are behind Father'sbacknever to see again and we disregard it then how shall any of us escape, it is about whether I believe or I do not, and we can't say that we will never sin again that is haughty, I can say take day by day so I will walk in Faith and follow the Spirit and probably not sin, but if I do I have an everlasting advocate Jesus Christ the Righteous one
Hebrews 2:3how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him.
1 John 2:1My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

 

[homwardbound]

Not sure what a gapper yapper is, but there is no way to misunderstand what this is saying. If you continue to sin after salvation you will suffer a worse judgment than those who were never saved at all

This is confirmed in 2 Peter

2 Peter 2
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

This is to those that do not beleive whether they say they do or not. We are only left with after the cross with either we beleive or we do not, those that believe walk in God's type of Love loving all persuading all through the Mercy of God back at the cross
John 16:8When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:
John 16:9about sin, because people do not believe in me;
Jesus took it all at the cross and when we come to beleif in him he becomes our propitiation for sin and our righteousness of the Father where we all are taught from our mistakes and thus how totrust him to walk his LOVE throguh us
It is not about sin anymore after the cross it is about beleif or unbeleif. The cross ahs all one needs for life and Godliness where all the riches are at in Christ Jesus a free gift toall that believe and God knows who they are.
And Christ stands in the GAP making constant intercession fro his own by beleif in him.

 

[resurrection33]

The Lord forgives the sins of the repentant.

 

[homwardbound]

The Lord forgives the sins of the repentant.

One recieves the forgiveness provided at the cross when they are seeking it from God there is nomore forgiveness after the cross to be executed again it is finished at the cross
Do you beleive one has to repent over and over forsaking their sin(s) otherwise they are not forgiven?