Are our sins really just burned away?

[homwardbound]

The Lord forgives the sins of the repentant.

And there is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood and Christ was the last shedding. and John the Baptist said as he saw Christ coming being a witness of the Messiah
John 1:29[ John Testifies About Jesus ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

so when he went to the cross did Christ take away the sins of the whole world or not?

 

[sinless]

so when he went to the cross did Christ take away the sins of the whole world or not?

No He didn't, if He had then we would all be saved and the New Covenant would be unconditional

 

[Radius]

1John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Sinless, how do you explain this verse away? Brush it under the table? You can't combat this verse with other verses you twist around and take out of context. This verse is as plain as day!

I would be VERY concerned if the Bible were saying to me that the TRUTH is not in me.

 

[sinless]

1John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Sinless, how do you explain this verse away? Brush it under the table? You can't combat this verse with other verses you twist around and take out of context. This verse is as plain as day!

I would be VERY concerned if the Bible were saying to me that the TRUTH is not in me.

Don't be concerned for me, I understand this verse. Be concerned for yourself, as you are an admitted rebel against God

 

[sinless]

1John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Some would argue that scripture actually teaches we can never overcome sin. The favorite verse of these sin defenders is 1 John 1:8, and 10
1John 1:8 -- If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1John 1:10 -- If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.


My response is this.

1 John 1
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
　

John shows us that when we repent we are not only forgiven but also cleansed from ALL and every sin rendering us sinless. Verse 8 is spicifically speaking of those that believe they have no need of repentance at all, and verse 10 confirm we do need to repent, saying we have all sinned (past tense). There is nothing in this passage that says believers cannot cease from sin. Especially when we keep reading through chapter 2 verse 6

1 John 2
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


John first says DO NOT SIN, next he says IF (not when) we sin there is forgiveness, then he says those that do not obey Christ are not christians but liar, lastly He says we who name Christ ought to live as He live...that was sinlessly
Furthermore if we continue to read 1st John through chapter 3 he makes it even clearer


1st John 3
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.


Could he be more clear?
#1 He says we who have the hope of resurrection will purify ourselves EVEN AS CHRIST IS PURE...once again that is sinless
#2 He says Christians are not permitted to sin
#3 He says those that do sin are not of God but of the devil


Lastly 1 John 5:18 reads ''18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.''


Those that ignore the whole of 1st John (muchless the whole of scripture) and use 1 or 2 verses out of context to teach believers cannot cease from sin are not only in gross error but false teachers perpretuating the strong delusion of 2nd Thessalonians 2:10-12

 

[Radius]

Hey sinless, I have another question for you. Will God admit you into Heaven because of Jesus' work upon the cross PLUS your good works...or on Jesus' work alone?
Or if you like, will God allow you into heaven based on what Jesus did and SUSTAINED by your good works?
Let me know.

 

[sinless]

Hey sinless, I have another question for you. Will God admit you into Heaven because of Jesus' work upon the cross PLUS your good works...or on Jesus' work alone?
Or if you like, will God allow you into heaven based on what Jesus did and SUSTAINED by your good works?
Let me know.

If it was Jesus' work alone then all of mankind would be saved salvation would then be unconditiopnal God will allow me into Heaven for repenting of my sin, making Christ Lord, and keeping my faith firm until the end. Just like the Bible says. Which is only possible in Christ.

I will gain Heaven because of what Jesus has done in me

 

[Blain]

Don't be concerned for me, I understand this verse. Be concerned for yourself, as you are an admitted rebel against God

Okay sinless, not cool. It is not your job to be calling people such things, you do not know god. If you did you would not call yourself sinless, you would not condemn everyone who does not believe you and you would speak out of love not self righteousness.

 

[sinless]

Okay sinless, not cool. It is not your job to be calling people such things, you do not know god. If you did you would not call yourself sinless, you would not condemn everyone who does not believe you and you would speak out of love not self righteousness.

Circular reasoning. ''You do not know God because I dis agree with you''. You are not God and I could say, and do believe the same about you.

You do not know God because if you did you would know sin is not permissible.

 

[Radius]

If it was Jesus' work alone then all of mankind would be saved. God will allow me into Heaven for repenting of my sin, making Christ Lord, and keeping my faith firm until the end. Just like the Bible says. Which is only possible in Christ

Thats simply untrue. NOT everyone would be saved. The unbelievers and the atheists surely would not be saved or those that worship idols and follow false religions. It is only by faith in Jesus and His work on the cross that saves...said people do not possess this. But you just said even they would be saved. LIES.
Your interpretations of the road that leads to salvation is finally starting to unravel.

 

[sinless]

Thats simply untrue. NOT everyone would be saved. The unbelievers and the atheists surely would not be saved or those that worship idols and follow false religions. It is only by faith in Jesus and His work on the cross that saves...said people do not possess this. But you just said even they would be saved. LIES.
Your interpretations of the road that leads to salvation is finally starting to unravel.

If Jesus going to the cross alone was what it take for us to be saved then yes, all men would be saved.

You have just shown that although you might adhere to the mantra Christ and His cross alone, you do not believe it. We must believe on Christ to be saved.

That is at the very least the Cross+belief

 

[Blain]

Circular reasoning. ''You do not know God because I dis agree with you''. You are not God and I could say, and do believe the same about you.

You do not know God because if you did you would know sin is not permissible.

No i am all for someone disagreeing with me it happens. But i do not condemn them because they disagree with me like you do. There is absolutely no love in your words, and only self righteousness. All you ever talk about is how you never sin and we should do the same. you mostly speak of yourself and if i wasn't trying so hard to be christ like i could easily twist scripture to fit my agenda too.

 

[sinless]

''My road'' is the one Jesus give us in His Word. The word of God will never unravel.

 

[Blain]

It's also very possible to know the word like the back of your hand and yet still not know god

 

[sinless]

No i am all for someone disagreeing with me it happens. But i do not condemn them because they disagree with me like you do.

You just said I don't know God because I do not agree with you

 

[Blain]

You just said I don't know God because I do not agree with you

No i said you do not know god because you say you are sinless, you never have love in your posts, you are self righteous and you condemn people who do not agree with you.

 

[sinless]

Anyone that believe they can continue to sin after being born again has not learn this from Jesus

 

[Radius]

If Jesus going to the cross alone was what it take for us to be saved then yes, all men would be saved.

You have just shown that although you might adhere to the mantra Christ and His cross alone, you do not believe it. We must believe on Christ to be saved.

That is at the very least the Cross+belief

You just said again all men would be saved including those that dont believe. Its not true.
The Bible says that it is by faith that you saved and this is NOT OF YOURSELVES (works) but a free gift.
You are making salvation about what you did in addition to what Christ did.

 

[sinless]

No i said you do not know god because you say you are sinless.

Exactly you disagree that God is able to free us from our sin. So you claim I do not know Him

 

[sinless]

You just said again all men would be saved including those that dont believe. Its not true.
The Bible says that it is by faith that you saved and this is NOT OF YOURSELVES (works) but a free gift.
You are making salvation about what you did in addition to what Christ did.

If what you say and the work on the cross is all it takes then yes all men would be saved, as Jesus died for all men