the Gentiles

[bleekerT]

PETER: “Now here is my opinion. We should not make it hard for the non-Jews who are turning to God.
Here is what we should write to them.

They must not eat food polluted by being offered to statues of gods. They must not commit sexual sins. They must not eat the meat of animals that have been choked to death. And they must not drink blood.

These laws of Moses have been preached in every city from the earliest times. They are read out loud in the synagogues every Sabbath day.”

- Acts 15:19-21, New International Reader's Version (NIRV)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What we need to do is read the book of hebrews.

The law (including traditions) were a symbol of what was to come. So when the one who came completed his work. the old is no longer valid. and the new has taken its place.

God does not want religion, he never did. He wants a relationship. All the laws did was show us we are in need of Christ. and are unable to come to God even when we follow these traditions. because we are still condemned.

 

[homwardbound]

[h=3]Hebrews 1[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]God’s Supreme Revelation[/h]1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, [SUP]2 [/SUP]has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; [SUP]3 [/SUP]who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, [SUP]4 [/SUP]having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
[h=3]The Son Exalted Above Angels[/h][h=3]Hebrews 10[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]Animal Sacrifices Insufficient[/h]10 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. [SUP]3 [/SUP]But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
[h=3]Christ’s Death Fulfills God’s Will[/h]

 

[bleekerT]

In that way he was made perfect. Eternal salvation comes from him. He saves all those who obey him.

- Hebrews 5:9, NIRV



PAUL: Until you have obeyed completely, I will be ready to punish you every time you don’t obey. - 2Cor. 10:6, NIRV

 

[eternally-gratefull]

In that way he was made perfect. Eternal salvation comes from him. He saves all those who obey him.

- Hebrews 5:9, NIRV



PAUL: Until you have obeyed completely, I will be ready to punish you every time you don’t obey. - 2Cor. 10:6, NIRV

lol. Ok. Christ came for naught. we might as well return to law. because that is what you are preaching.. If we could be saved by being good enough. There would be no reason for Christ to come. The priest could have stopped giving sacrifice because we had made it.

 

[loveme1]

lol. Ok. Christ came for naught. we might as well return to law. because that is what you are preaching.. If we could be saved by being good enough. There would be no reason for Christ to come. The priest could have stopped giving sacrifice because we had made it.

Obeying the Commandments of God is part of the Testimony of the Messiah.

 

[loveme1]

Hebrews 10

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;



17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.18Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

John 14

If ye love me, keep my commandments.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Obeying the Commandments of God is part of the Testimony of the Messiah.

yes it is. Because only he could do it.

if we could do it. he would not have had to come. that is the picture of the mercy seat on the tabernacle..

the rod that budded (shows man want to live their own way) the manna (God provides and man is not satisfied, they want to return to slavery) and the law (man can not live up to Gods standard) The blood spilt on the mercy seat once a year for atonement pictures christ blood, which is shed for us, so when God looks at us, he does not see our sin, like the picture shows.. he could not see what was against us, because the blood covered it.

the jews did not get this in the time of christ. unfortunately. many so called christians do not get it yet still today!

that is what the author of hebrews tried to tell us in his book. when will we listen?

 

[RedTent]

How we perceive things has a lot to do with our mindset as we look at them. A landscape artist sees the world in a different way than people who never think of the world as a beautiful place to paint.

In the same way, we read Hebrews from the viewpoint of someone who does not know OT as the only scripture they know. Hebrews was written for these people, to present Christ as a way to grow in worship of God. We read it from the viewpoint of people who know Christ, but are not familiar with the Father, as confirmation of our life in Christ. Sometimes we get some of Hebrews truths out of sync because of this.

 

[loveme1]

yes it is. Because only he could do it.

if we could do it. he would not have had to come. that is the picture of the mercy seat on the tabernacle..

the rod that budded (shows man want to live their own way) the manna (God provides and man is not satisfied, they want to return to slavery) and the law (man can not live up to Gods standard) The blood spilt on the mercy seat once a year for atonement pictures christ blood, which is shed for us, so when God looks at us, he does not see our sin, like the picture shows.. he could not see what was against us, because the blood covered it.

the jews did not get this in the time of christ. unfortunately. many so called christians do not get it yet still today!

that is what the author of hebrews tried to tell us in his book. when will we listen?

Who are you proposing we listen to?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who are you proposing we listen to?

God. He wrote the law. and he wrote hebrews,, whcih explains what the law was supposed to do..

 

[loveme1]

Hebrews 10 tells us the Messiah had to come because the blood of bulls and of goats could not take away sins.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hebrews 10 tells us the Messiah had to come because the blood of bulls and of goats could not take away sins.

Yes.. And also he died once,, thus there is no more sacrifice.. so what should this tell you? since he died 2000 years ago

 

[kardiaoangelous]

PETER: “Now here is my opinion. We should not make it hard for the non-Jews who are turning to God.
Here is what we should write to them.

They must not eat food polluted by being offered to statues of gods. They must not commit sexual sins. They must not eat the meat of animals that have been choked to death. And they must not drink blood.

These laws of Moses have been preached in every city from the earliest times. They are read out loud in the synagogues every Sabbath day.”

- Acts 15:19-21, New International Reader's Version (NIRV)

In that way he was made perfect. Eternal salvation comes from him. He saves all those who obey him.

- Hebrews 5:9, NIRV



PAUL: Until you have obeyed completely, I will be ready to punish you every time you don’t obey. - 2Cor. 10:6, NIRV

Galatians 2:14 “But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, [Peter] being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?”

It is notable that neither Paul nor Peter ever specify what meats they are which are sacrificed to Idols.


These meats sacrificed to Idols are not the same as the clean and unclean animals under that Old Law Covenant, but they are specific to any meat that in those days was common in a particular region to be used as a sacrifice to Idols.


And the purpose for which this counsel was given by both Peter and Paul is, Romans 14:13 “Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of..”


And the purpose for which this counsel was given by both Peter and Paul is, 1 Corinthians 10:24 “Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.”


And the purpose for which this counsel was given by both Peter and Paul is, 1 Corinthians 10:28 “But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:
29 Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged [bad of me] of [my destroying] another man's conscience?”


And the purpose for which this counsel was given by both Peter and Paul is, 1 Corinthians 10:31 “Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.”


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And the purpose for which this counsel was given by both Peter and Paul is, that these men whose conscience was bothered could not yet understand that, 1 Corinthians 10:23 “All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.”


And the purpose for which this counsel was given by both Peter and Paul is, that these men whose conscience was bothered could not yet understand that, Romans 14:14 “I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.”


And the purpose for which this counsel was given by both Peter and Paul is, that these men whose conscience was bothered could not yet understand that, 1 Corinthians 8:4 “As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.”


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We must realize that the Gentiles formerly had no conception that they were in any way unclean. Thus in their thinking they could not see, Colossians 2:20-21 “Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not..”


Thus it was easy to stumble a Gentile right back to their old ways of not giving much thought to the implications of love as it pertains to all that we do and how it is that we stand firm against the things the nations offer sacrifice to, 1 Corinthians 8:9 “But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.”


For, 1 Corinthians 8:1 “Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.”


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And so this is because those of weak conscience could not yet grasp the deeper spiritual details of what God has used the meats we eat to domonstrate to us.


Things like, Acts 10:28 “And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.”


And things like, 1 Corinthians 10:3-4 “And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”


And things like, 1 Corinthians 10:19 “What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.”


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Brothers, It is all about the spirit of the purety of our love in Christ, that we eat clean of all things, not misusing anything to harm God's work in another, which is as eating the pure bread of heaven, matter not what form it takes.

 

[RedTent]

God. He wrote the law. and he wrote hebrews,, whcih explains what the law was supposed to do..

God wrote Psalm 119 to explain the law to us, and God wrote Hebrews to explain how Christ made it possible to grow in the Lord.

 

[RedTent]

Hebrews 10 tells us the Messiah had to come because the blood of bulls and of goats could not take away sins.

The blood of bulls and goats has never achieved atonement, it was only as they symbolized Christ. Christ came to fulfill and complete.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

God wrote Psalm 119 to explain the law to us, and God wrote Hebrews to explain how Christ made it possible to grow in the Lord.

I have to say that of all written in the Bible that 119 Psalms was what most helped me begin to see the bubble I was enclosed in breaking, so that I could finally see past that bubble.

There is no need to "meditate" on a statute except it have deeper meaning that is more important for us to see.

Otherwise, we do not meditate, we simply comply with it by it's letter. That is not so difficult for anyone. But as God's laws are all governed by love, if we use them in a rote or ritual like fashion we fail to see that there are times where we do use them in a way that violates God's love, thus desecrating their holiness.

 

[homwardbound]

Hebrews 10



John 14

which one the law of Moses or the Law of Love. under a new covenant hebrews 9:15-17 new laws of Love that is the fulfillment of all commandments and a new priesthood
[h=3]Hebrews 9:15-17[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, [SUP]17 [/SUP]because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living.
Hebrews 7:11
[ Jesus Like Melchizedek ] If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
Hebrews 7:12For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
Hebrews 7:24but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood.
Romans 13:10Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law
Love you Sister, LOVE you

 

[loveme1]

Yes.. And also he died once,, thus there is no more sacrifice.. so what should this tell you? since he died 2000 years ago

EG, it was you above who made this comment:

lol. Ok. Christ came for naught. we might as well return to law. because that is what you are preaching.. If we could be saved by being good enough. There would be no reason for Christ to come. The priest could have stopped giving sacrifice because we had made it.

 

[loveme1]

which one the law of Moses or the Law of Love. under a new covenant hebrews 9:15-17 new laws of Love that is the fulfillment of all commandments and a new priesthood
Hebrews 9:15-17

New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, [SUP]17 [/SUP]because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living.
Hebrews 7:11
[ Jesus Like Melchizedek ] If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
Hebrews 7:12For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
Hebrews 7:24but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood.
Romans 13:10Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law
Love you Sister, LOVE you

Homwardbound, Love is the fulfillment of both the Great and the second law.