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Okie dokie, brother.... As far as my personal presumptions go, I felt like I knew what you were going to say next because of past conversations I have had with you where you continuously talked about others being damned to hell. It wasn't a personal attack. Not any sort of attack at all. And if it came accross that way then i apolagize.
But I know that somewhere in scripture (don't know exactly where) it says that those who live by the law are judged by the law, meaning that they will be judged harsher because they know the Law. Right? So if this is the case, then those who don't live by the law are still judged and still have a chance of salvation. Like the tribes I keep referring to in the middle of nowhere that have never heard of or known about Christ or the Word of God, for instance, if these people live their life in complete love and kindness then you can't tell me that our all loving God will throw them in that fire! Or an athiest who ACTUALLY REALLY BELIEVES with all his heart that there is no God because he has never been exposed to His love or REALLY REALLY can't comprehend the fact that there is a God, but still lives his life in love and good morals, never hurting a soul..... do you think that a Christian who has accepted Christ but who has repeatedly committed adultery or always judges others or continuously hurts others by speaking to them condescendingly has a better chance of getting into heaven than that athiest? C'mon man, you can't tell me that you actually think that God doesn't care how we treat others, as long as we say we believe. Not the God that I know. Don't forget, we who live BY the law will be judged BY the law. But those who live outside the law are a law among themselves and will be judged accordingly. I know athiests and buddhists that will get to heaven long before I will, my friend. God will never ignore the good that they have contributed to His world.
But I know that somewhere in scripture (don't know exactly where) it says that those who live by the law are judged by the law, meaning that they will be judged harsher because they know the Law. Right? So if this is the case, then those who don't live by the law are still judged and still have a chance of salvation. Like the tribes I keep referring to in the middle of nowhere that have never heard of or known about Christ or the Word of God, for instance, if these people live their life in complete love and kindness then you can't tell me that our all loving God will throw them in that fire! Or an athiest who ACTUALLY REALLY BELIEVES with all his heart that there is no God because he has never been exposed to His love or REALLY REALLY can't comprehend the fact that there is a God, but still lives his life in love and good morals, never hurting a soul..... do you think that a Christian who has accepted Christ but who has repeatedly committed adultery or always judges others or continuously hurts others by speaking to them condescendingly has a better chance of getting into heaven than that athiest? C'mon man, you can't tell me that you actually think that God doesn't care how we treat others, as long as we say we believe. Not the God that I know. Don't forget, we who live BY the law will be judged BY the law. But those who live outside the law are a law among themselves and will be judged accordingly. I know athiests and buddhists that will get to heaven long before I will, my friend. God will never ignore the good that they have contributed to His world.
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FOUND IT, CROSSNOTE!!!!
Romans 2:14-23
[SUP]14 [/SUP]When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. [SUP]15 [/SUP]They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them [SUP]16 [/SUP]on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all.
The Jews and the Law
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But if you call yourself a Jew and rely on the law and boast of your relation to God [SUP]18 [/SUP]and know his will and determine what is best because you are instructed in the law, [SUP]19 [/SUP]and if you are sure that you are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, [SUP]20 [/SUP]a corrector of the foolish, a teacher of children, having in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth, [SUP]21 [/SUP]you, then, that teach others, will you not teach yourself? While you preach against stealing, do you steal? [SUP]22 [/SUP]You that forbid adultery, do you commit adultery? You that abhor idols, do you rob temples? [SUP]23 [/SUP]You that boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law?
AMEN!!! MY POINT EXACTLY. Pope Francis is justified in his comments in this verse, for all you guys who needed scriptural backing.
Romans 2:14-23
[SUP]14 [/SUP]When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. [SUP]15 [/SUP]They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them [SUP]16 [/SUP]on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all.
The Jews and the Law
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But if you call yourself a Jew and rely on the law and boast of your relation to God [SUP]18 [/SUP]and know his will and determine what is best because you are instructed in the law, [SUP]19 [/SUP]and if you are sure that you are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, [SUP]20 [/SUP]a corrector of the foolish, a teacher of children, having in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth, [SUP]21 [/SUP]you, then, that teach others, will you not teach yourself? While you preach against stealing, do you steal? [SUP]22 [/SUP]You that forbid adultery, do you commit adultery? You that abhor idols, do you rob temples? [SUP]23 [/SUP]You that boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law?
AMEN!!! MY POINT EXACTLY. Pope Francis is justified in his comments in this verse, for all you guys who needed scriptural backing.
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Romans 2:14-23
[SUP]14 [/SUP]When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. [SUP]15 [/SUP]They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them [SUP]16 [/SUP]on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all.
That's why champ! He died for them too you see.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. [SUP]15 [/SUP]They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them [SUP]16 [/SUP]on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all.
That's why champ! He died for them too you see.
How do people take scripture out of context when it is plain but then I believe that the Vatican was infiltrated years ago to change the Vatican from within by getting in the Cardinal positions and electing the Pope of their choosing to unify all religions together with a different perspective on christianity that all religions will except.
God warns us in 1 Timothy 4 to beware of a nature worship christianity that will exalt man based on the Cosmos given to them by devils which the Bible says that the antichrist will not recognize the God of his fathers but follow the God of forces in which he will say he has tapped in to the highest part of the Cosmos and achieved the most power any man can achieve.
The antichrist will cause craft to prosper in his hands with is witchcraft.
The antichrist will say he is above all religions and gods and that it is all about man with no power above them and they believe the New Age Christ will restore all the hidden mysteries of the past and man can achieve powers through nature.
Eventually this nature worship christianity that exalts man will be the christianity that is recognized in the world and fundamental Christianity will not be tolerated.The devil will deceive the world by this false christianity that will unify all religions.
The New Age religion will reinterpret all religions to that false christianity and the world will definitely clash will fundamental Christians and Muslims which I believe the Muslims clashing with the world will be the 6th trumpet of the Bible which causes the world to believe that a one world government cannot solve the problems of the world and they will not turn to God after 6 disasters that impact the world so God gives them the antichrist.
Mar 9:38 Now John answered Him, saying, "Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us."
Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me.
Mar 9:40 For he who is not against us is on our side.
The thing it was not an atheist or someone that did not follow Jesus that did not follow Jesus and the disciples.
The person was casting out demons in Jesus' name and Jesus said the person did a miracle in His name so he was not an atheist or a person that did not believe in Jesus and no one can cast out demons or do a miracle in Jesus' name unless they truly were following Jesus and was abiding by the truth.
This has nothing to do with an atheist or a non believer being redeemed and Jesus did not say anything about that,but it is about a man that believed in Jesus and the truth of the Bible that went and preached Jesus and did miracles and did follow Jesus,but did not follow Jesus and the disciples physically but went about on his own route preaching the truth.
The disciples were upset that the person did not follow Jesus and the disciples on their route not that the person did not follow Jesus because the person did follow Jesus but not physically on their route.
And for people that believe the Pope's comment was taking out of context the Pope before this Pope said anyone that seeks the will of God on earth can be saved even if they do not accept Jesus,but of course those people would not be atheists but people that believe in God but do not accept Jesus.
I do believe that the Pope and Vatican eventually will unify all religions will the nature worship Christianity that all religions will accept but will that be only for people that believe in a God.I believe it will include atheists because that false chrisianity is based on exalting man recognizing the God of forces and not a personal God and some religions in the world right now recognize the Cosmos or the God of forces and not a personal God.
In the book of Isaiah God said that man will say I am and there is nobody beside me which is what God describes about Himself.God said that when they get to that point He will not meet them as a man which means He will meet them as God.
The first time God came to deal with man's sin problem He came as a man and offered mercy and forgiveness,the second time God comes to deal with man's sin problem He will come as God to put them down.
The whole world will eventually rebel against God and there must be a false christianity to permeate the world that will exalt man that all religions will accept that does not recognize Jesus as the savior but only as a good teacher which I believe the Pope and Vatican will be headquarters and leaders of it.
I am not blaming Catholics for they love God and Jesus,but this stems from the Pope and Vatican which must be.
I just hope when it gets to that point that the Catholics do not follow the Pope and Vatican but realize that this is not of God but of the devil trying to deceive the world to go against God and I hope all religions will not follow it.
The truth is any religion that does not meet the interpretation of the New Age interpretation of christianity will be reinterpreted by that false christianity and be part of the one world religious system and the interpretation they did have in that religion will not be recognized so all religions will be part of that one world religious system with the interpretation of the New Age religion,and anybody that holds unto the old interpretation will be a threat to the world and terrorist that does no want peace which is mainly fundamental Christians,Muslims,and Jews,especially since they recognize a personal God.
The Vatican has been infiltrated by people trying to change it from within to set the world up for the New Age religion's interpretation of christianity to unify all religions and with the comments the last 3 Pope's have been saying you can see they got the foothold with a slow conditioning of the people and not hit them too fast with change on theology and what is from God.
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; [SUP]2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer(1 Timothy 4:1-5).
These people did not depart from christianity as far as believing it is the truth but departed from the faith,departed from the truth of it,believing in the nature worship interpretation of christianity as the truth,and God warns us not to go by that interpretation of christianity that will permeate the world,an interpretation given by the devil to set the world up for him to appear as the antichrist,the beast,the man of sin,the little horn,to cause the world to rebel against God causeing them to believe that man is top dog and nobody above them.
God warns us in 1 Timothy 4 to beware of a nature worship christianity that will exalt man based on the Cosmos given to them by devils which the Bible says that the antichrist will not recognize the God of his fathers but follow the God of forces in which he will say he has tapped in to the highest part of the Cosmos and achieved the most power any man can achieve.
The antichrist will cause craft to prosper in his hands with is witchcraft.
The antichrist will say he is above all religions and gods and that it is all about man with no power above them and they believe the New Age Christ will restore all the hidden mysteries of the past and man can achieve powers through nature.
Eventually this nature worship christianity that exalts man will be the christianity that is recognized in the world and fundamental Christianity will not be tolerated.The devil will deceive the world by this false christianity that will unify all religions.
The New Age religion will reinterpret all religions to that false christianity and the world will definitely clash will fundamental Christians and Muslims which I believe the Muslims clashing with the world will be the 6th trumpet of the Bible which causes the world to believe that a one world government cannot solve the problems of the world and they will not turn to God after 6 disasters that impact the world so God gives them the antichrist.
Mar 9:38 Now John answered Him, saying, "Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us."
Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me.
Mar 9:40 For he who is not against us is on our side.
The thing it was not an atheist or someone that did not follow Jesus that did not follow Jesus and the disciples.
The person was casting out demons in Jesus' name and Jesus said the person did a miracle in His name so he was not an atheist or a person that did not believe in Jesus and no one can cast out demons or do a miracle in Jesus' name unless they truly were following Jesus and was abiding by the truth.
This has nothing to do with an atheist or a non believer being redeemed and Jesus did not say anything about that,but it is about a man that believed in Jesus and the truth of the Bible that went and preached Jesus and did miracles and did follow Jesus,but did not follow Jesus and the disciples physically but went about on his own route preaching the truth.
The disciples were upset that the person did not follow Jesus and the disciples on their route not that the person did not follow Jesus because the person did follow Jesus but not physically on their route.
And for people that believe the Pope's comment was taking out of context the Pope before this Pope said anyone that seeks the will of God on earth can be saved even if they do not accept Jesus,but of course those people would not be atheists but people that believe in God but do not accept Jesus.
I do believe that the Pope and Vatican eventually will unify all religions will the nature worship Christianity that all religions will accept but will that be only for people that believe in a God.I believe it will include atheists because that false chrisianity is based on exalting man recognizing the God of forces and not a personal God and some religions in the world right now recognize the Cosmos or the God of forces and not a personal God.
In the book of Isaiah God said that man will say I am and there is nobody beside me which is what God describes about Himself.God said that when they get to that point He will not meet them as a man which means He will meet them as God.
The first time God came to deal with man's sin problem He came as a man and offered mercy and forgiveness,the second time God comes to deal with man's sin problem He will come as God to put them down.
The whole world will eventually rebel against God and there must be a false christianity to permeate the world that will exalt man that all religions will accept that does not recognize Jesus as the savior but only as a good teacher which I believe the Pope and Vatican will be headquarters and leaders of it.
I am not blaming Catholics for they love God and Jesus,but this stems from the Pope and Vatican which must be.
I just hope when it gets to that point that the Catholics do not follow the Pope and Vatican but realize that this is not of God but of the devil trying to deceive the world to go against God and I hope all religions will not follow it.
The truth is any religion that does not meet the interpretation of the New Age interpretation of christianity will be reinterpreted by that false christianity and be part of the one world religious system and the interpretation they did have in that religion will not be recognized so all religions will be part of that one world religious system with the interpretation of the New Age religion,and anybody that holds unto the old interpretation will be a threat to the world and terrorist that does no want peace which is mainly fundamental Christians,Muslims,and Jews,especially since they recognize a personal God.
The Vatican has been infiltrated by people trying to change it from within to set the world up for the New Age religion's interpretation of christianity to unify all religions and with the comments the last 3 Pope's have been saying you can see they got the foothold with a slow conditioning of the people and not hit them too fast with change on theology and what is from God.
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; [SUP]2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer(1 Timothy 4:1-5).
These people did not depart from christianity as far as believing it is the truth but departed from the faith,departed from the truth of it,believing in the nature worship interpretation of christianity as the truth,and God warns us not to go by that interpretation of christianity that will permeate the world,an interpretation given by the devil to set the world up for him to appear as the antichrist,the beast,the man of sin,the little horn,to cause the world to rebel against God causeing them to believe that man is top dog and nobody above them.
Romans 3:23All alike have sinned, all alike are unworthy of God’s praise.
Romans 15:9And I would remind the Gentiles to praise God for his mercy. So we read in scripture, I will give thanks to thee for this, and sing of thy praise, in the midst of the Gentiles;
Philippians 1:11may you reap, through Jesus Christ, the full harvest of your justification to God’s glory and praise.
Hebrews 13:15It is through him, then, that we must offer to God a continual sacrifice of praise, the tribute of lips that give thanks to his name.
Let us all do this being of sound doctrine of Love God's type that no human flesh can comprehend only the Spirit of God and quit being like men with these dogmatic seperations of the flesh and be one in the spirit of God
I Corinthians 12:13We too, all of us, have been baptized into a single body by the power of a single Spirit, Jews and Greeks, slaves and free men alike; we have all been given drink at a single source, the one Spirit.
Romans 15:9And I would remind the Gentiles to praise God for his mercy. So we read in scripture, I will give thanks to thee for this, and sing of thy praise, in the midst of the Gentiles;
Philippians 1:11may you reap, through Jesus Christ, the full harvest of your justification to God’s glory and praise.
Hebrews 13:15It is through him, then, that we must offer to God a continual sacrifice of praise, the tribute of lips that give thanks to his name.
Let us all do this being of sound doctrine of Love God's type that no human flesh can comprehend only the Spirit of God and quit being like men with these dogmatic seperations of the flesh and be one in the spirit of God
I Corinthians 12:13We too, all of us, have been baptized into a single body by the power of a single Spirit, Jews and Greeks, slaves and free men alike; we have all been given drink at a single source, the one Spirit.
and we will be ready to:
2 Corinthians 10:6And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
I guess then I will never be righteous in punishing anyones act of disobedience whether i think it to be or not hmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and Christ while were all yet failures, disobedient being undeserviing died for us hmmmm!!!!!!!
thank you 7seven7 to keep me humble
2 Corinthians 10:6And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
I guess then I will never be righteous in punishing anyones act of disobedience whether i think it to be or not hmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and Christ while were all yet failures, disobedient being undeserviing died for us hmmmm!!!!!!!
thank you 7seven7 to keep me humble
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Ok just quickly, just to clarify why this can't be true. The pope and the Vatican DO NOT teach or in ANY WAY imply that man is greater than God. And the Vatican teaches and in every way says that Jesus IS our Savior. I notice you keep saying "I believe", and I'm glad that you included that because you're entitled to believe anything you like. Its all part of that beautiful gift of free will that God so graciously gave us. But it by no measure means it is true. God bless and guide you, brother
P.S.- there are plenty of other organisations and governments out there that fit the descriptions you outlined of this anti-christ, and fit it alot better than the Catholic Church.
P.S.- there are plenty of other organisations and governments out there that fit the descriptions you outlined of this anti-christ, and fit it alot better than the Catholic Church.
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Are we all that believe called to love each other whether one thyinks the same as we do.
Did not Christ while here on earth while he hashere fulfilling the Law and Prophets say
[h=3]Matthew 5:47[/h]Knox Bible (KNOX)
[SUP]47 [/SUP]If you greet none but your brethren, what are you doing more than others? Will not the very heathen do as much?
[h=3]Matthew 5:47[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]47 [/SUP]And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?\
Just curious?
Did not Christ while here on earth while he hashere fulfilling the Law and Prophets say
[h=3]Matthew 5:47[/h]Knox Bible (KNOX)
[SUP]47 [/SUP]If you greet none but your brethren, what are you doing more than others? Will not the very heathen do as much?
[h=3]Matthew 5:47[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]47 [/SUP]And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?\
Just curious?
sigh, first of all find past posts where I have condemn others to hell, otherwise retract.
As far as those who do not have the law do have the law written on their hearts (conscience) and will be judged by that law. As Paul had already established in Romans 1-3...ALL HAVE SINNED and have fallen short of God's glory. Our good works (atheists included) are futile in procuring salvation. The scriptures are silent in the ultimate fate of those who have not heard the Good News of free redemption through Christ Jesus and so am I.
But the Scriptures are very clear about rejecting the Son, giving no hope to those who die in such a state regardless of their charity...it is all self righteousness and filthy rags in God's sight.
As far as a true born again christian doing evil, God will chastise and scourge and even take him home early if needs be.
We are saved through the perfect obedience of Christ...not ours.
As far as those who do not have the law do have the law written on their hearts (conscience) and will be judged by that law. As Paul had already established in Romans 1-3...ALL HAVE SINNED and have fallen short of God's glory. Our good works (atheists included) are futile in procuring salvation. The scriptures are silent in the ultimate fate of those who have not heard the Good News of free redemption through Christ Jesus and so am I.
But the Scriptures are very clear about rejecting the Son, giving no hope to those who die in such a state regardless of their charity...it is all self righteousness and filthy rags in God's sight.
As far as a true born again christian doing evil, God will chastise and scourge and even take him home early if needs be.
We are saved through the perfect obedience of Christ...not ours.
Explained that already. Read the thread, not just the title.
I'll repost what I said pages back....
Pope Francis is not saying, as the secular media would have you think, that an atheist is saved even though they reject God. He is saying that through doing good works then we all come to a greater understanding of God, be they atheists or believers, which in turn leads them to God and to know and accept Christ's salvation. He is saying that in doing good then we can all find a common ground. That 'good works' are a great place to start for humanity in putting away those petty arguments and divisions which have given rise to so much conflict between believers and non-believers alike throughout history.
"Even them, everyone, we all have the duty to do good." Pope Francis said.
"Just do good" was his challenge, "and we'll find a meeting point."
He said that Christ gave himself as a ransom for ALL, and that by doing good then a person is moving towards God, and that we should not cut people off just because they are not 'one of us'.
"..the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for ALL people."
1 Timothy 2:5-6
Christ died for all, and Christ is there for everyone to accept as Lord. Good works leads one on that path.
Here is a good article about the Pope's homily. Do read it - Pope Francis says atheists....
God bless,
Maynard
I'll repost what I said pages back....
Pope Francis is not saying, as the secular media would have you think, that an atheist is saved even though they reject God. He is saying that through doing good works then we all come to a greater understanding of God, be they atheists or believers, which in turn leads them to God and to know and accept Christ's salvation. He is saying that in doing good then we can all find a common ground. That 'good works' are a great place to start for humanity in putting away those petty arguments and divisions which have given rise to so much conflict between believers and non-believers alike throughout history.
"Even them, everyone, we all have the duty to do good." Pope Francis said.
"Just do good" was his challenge, "and we'll find a meeting point."
He said that Christ gave himself as a ransom for ALL, and that by doing good then a person is moving towards God, and that we should not cut people off just because they are not 'one of us'.
"..the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for ALL people."
1 Timothy 2:5-6
Christ died for all, and Christ is there for everyone to accept as Lord. Good works leads one on that path.
Here is a good article about the Pope's homily. Do read it - Pope Francis says atheists....
God bless,
Maynard
Francis (also my middle name) should have had this passage in mind ...
Romans 1:18-26 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:18-26 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: