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...what a lot of nonsense..., truly.....
Pro 18:22
He who finds a wife finds a good thing And obtains favor from the LORD.
1Ti 4:1-3
(1)
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
(2)
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
(3)
Forbidding to marry, ..."
Pro 18:22
He who finds a wife finds a good thing And obtains favor from the LORD.
1Ti 4:1-3
(1)
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
(2)
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
(3)
Forbidding to marry, ..."
1 Timothy 6:3-5
[SUP]3 [/SUP]If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound[SUP][b][/SUP] words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, [SUP]4 [/SUP]he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, [SUP]5 [/SUP]and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.
So people here did not agree with you, pointing out the error in your thought process, using other scriptures in their arguments. Now you take the "high ground" saying you are done, leaving a scripture that you are using to essentially call those who didn't agree with you conceited and false teachers. And you are done...
This is cowardly, like someone who calls someone a name and immediately slams the door so that the other person cannot respond. You, my friend, are an unfair debater.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound[SUP][b][/SUP] words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, [SUP]4 [/SUP]he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, [SUP]5 [/SUP]and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.
So people here did not agree with you, pointing out the error in your thought process, using other scriptures in their arguments. Now you take the "high ground" saying you are done, leaving a scripture that you are using to essentially call those who didn't agree with you conceited and false teachers. And you are done...
This is cowardly, like someone who calls someone a name and immediately slams the door so that the other person cannot respond. You, my friend, are an unfair debater.
John 15:17 This I command you, that you love one another.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:1-4[/h]New American Standard Bible (NASB)
[h=3]The Excellence of Love[/h]13 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. [SUP]2 [/SUP]If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body [SUP][a][/SUP]to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant,
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:1-4[/h]New American Standard Bible (NASB)
[h=3]The Excellence of Love[/h]13 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. [SUP]2 [/SUP]If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body [SUP][a][/SUP]to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant,
Paul also had his own ideas and biases - we need to keep in mind. This was his preferred celibate lifestyle, which he recommended as it worked for him; but it is not a directive from God as I see it - just Pauls own thinking and personal advice, which he sometimes admitted he had..., for he also goes on to say that it is better to marry than to burn etc..., and to forbid to marry is the practice the doctrine of demons...
One thing to remember, in most christian theology, the Bible is considered inspired by God. So, even Paul's opinions in this matter should be considered inspired by God.
I am not of the opinion that seeking, or avoiding, marriage is sin (assuming of course it isn't counter to God's will). But I do see in God's nature a jealousy for our love. He does not want to share that love. He doesn't seem to even want us relying on any earthly things, or people, but desires for us to rely solely on Him, our father.
So, I think that some care does need to be taken when you look at this passage and think it is 'just Paul's personal bias or opinion.'
I am not of the opinion that seeking, or avoiding, marriage is sin (assuming of course it isn't counter to God's will). But I do see in God's nature a jealousy for our love. He does not want to share that love. He doesn't seem to even want us relying on any earthly things, or people, but desires for us to rely solely on Him, our father.
So, I think that some care does need to be taken when you look at this passage and think it is 'just Paul's personal bias or opinion.'
These are specifics that only relate to certain kinds of individuals who had a calling in this regard, but was not the norm. Christs response that was this one, to His disciples comment, ie:
Mat 19:10
The disciples *said to Him, "If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry."
Mat 19:11
But He said to them, "Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given.
Mat 19:12
"For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it."
I believe Christ is talking about specific individuals who were called to this kind of lifestyle, as well as those who did not have a choice...Paul probably had this in mind when he made that statement. It also states in Isaiah...
Isa 56:3 ".............Nor let the eunuch say, "Behold, I am a dry tree."
Isa 56:4
For thus says the LORD, "To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths, And choose what pleases Me, And hold fast My covenant,
Isa 56:5
To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial, And a name better than that of sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off.
Gods original intent and way for man was of union with woman, for He clearly said:
Gen 2:18
Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him."
Clearly, this means what it says; it is 'not good' for man to be alone --- and what a nice helper did God indeed make for him
Mat 19:10
The disciples *said to Him, "If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry."
Mat 19:11
But He said to them, "Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given.
Mat 19:12
"For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it."
I believe Christ is talking about specific individuals who were called to this kind of lifestyle, as well as those who did not have a choice...Paul probably had this in mind when he made that statement. It also states in Isaiah...
Isa 56:3 ".............Nor let the eunuch say, "Behold, I am a dry tree."
Isa 56:4
For thus says the LORD, "To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths, And choose what pleases Me, And hold fast My covenant,
Isa 56:5
To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial, And a name better than that of sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off.
Gods original intent and way for man was of union with woman, for He clearly said:
Gen 2:18
Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him."
Clearly, this means what it says; it is 'not good' for man to be alone --- and what a nice helper did God indeed make for him
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God created woman for man, to love and to exist in His Love - its all a matter of having the right perspective, but to say or imply that it is 'frowned on' by God; to want this, and to have this - is not Gods Will nor intent, and flys in the face of the entire context of marriage and the bible, for marriage is a major principle and model in the bible..., on a number of levels...
...with regards to Paul: these are his own words with regards to what I mentioned in previous post ...
1Co 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no command of the Lord, but I give an opinion as one who by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy.
2Co 11:17 What I am saying, I am not saying as the Lord would, but as in foolishness, in this confidence of boasting.
...with regards to Paul: these are his own words with regards to what I mentioned in previous post ...
1Co 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no command of the Lord, but I give an opinion as one who by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy.
2Co 11:17 What I am saying, I am not saying as the Lord would, but as in foolishness, in this confidence of boasting.
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...I think by my observations, a number of Christian men seem to be awkward around women, and don't quite know how to relate to them comfortably, and have some confusion and guilt as to any feelings of attraction to them it seems. This is unfortunate as this will not only make them unhappy in their life, but if they do end up married, they may not have as fulfilling a marriage that they could have had. Gods models WAS and IS marriage, with man/woman including all the sexual and related intimacy involved --- it was His plan, and His gift to man...It is all about love and oneness - in His Love...
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Personally, I feel like if God wants two people together, he'll bring them together. However, the man is supposed to make the first move. Women aren't supposed to initiate.
I've heard other christian women describe a man's pursuit for a wife. They said that God made them "hunters" so to speak. Women aren't supposed to seek out a husband, men have to seek out a wife.
That's what I heard anyway.
I've heard other christian women describe a man's pursuit for a wife. They said that God made them "hunters" so to speak. Women aren't supposed to seek out a husband, men have to seek out a wife.
That's what I heard anyway.
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I kinda figured Paul was encouraging people not to get married back then,simply because the persecution of being a follower of Christ was so great that if you were married,there might be a good chance you'd die for your belief,thus leaving behind a wife & possibly children that might have to fend for themselves or other brethren would end up having to care for. If you could stay single,then do it because you'll be able to have more freedom to focus on the things of the Lord without the distraction of your family. I never felt as though he was anti-marriage like many people read it as,just really emphasizing how hard it is gonna be if you are. *shrugs* I'm no bible scholar,what do I know? lol
I think I agree with you, and think it is likely even more true today. Living life focused on the things of the Lord seems to be even more difficult these days. With all of the distractions, adding yet another (and ultimately larger) potential distraction could be problematic. I guess to me it seems even more beneficial to remain single today. That said, I do know that God brings people together. The story of hosea, solomon, etc are great ways of seeing and understanding God's love for us. I know out of my two long relationships I came to appreciate certain things that I know I would have struggled to understand on my own.
In the end I still think that God had a purpose for having Paul's "personal" opinion be added to 'His word'.
In the end I still think that God had a purpose for having Paul's "personal" opinion be added to 'His word'.