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Personally I believe in the pretribe rapture but I also acknowledge the post trib is a possiblity, However we should be ready at all times because it is close, very close. I believe we will be raptured before the tribulation but if we are not then we will have the honor of being Gods chosen warriors in the tribulation
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My son is 8 years old...I think that it may happen during his lifetime, after I am dead and gone, or while I am in my seventies or eighties (if I live that long). I think this because it seems that these newer generations have a great lack of respect for authority, feel as if they are entitled to everything, seem more ungrateful, and lack a certain level or morality. Violence in the media has desensitized them to it, and they accept things like...homosexuality...as being the norm. I believe that in my son's future, to be gay or bi-sexual will be considered normal...and straight people would be considered "weird". Then...you will REALLY know that the end is near.
If the rapture happens next minute?? Next hour?? Tonight? Tomorrow? Next year? After 10 years? After 100 more years?
Who knows?? No one. But be ready. He may come when you are watching movies, when you are yelling at someone, or when you are speaking lies.. Etc..
Jesus have given some signs in gospel of Mathew, in the book of revelations, in daniel, ezekiel.. Etc..! But people were not that much wise to analyze it. Until then, familyradio.com type of ministries will be cheating people.
Who knows?? No one. But be ready. He may come when you are watching movies, when you are yelling at someone, or when you are speaking lies.. Etc..
Jesus have given some signs in gospel of Mathew, in the book of revelations, in daniel, ezekiel.. Etc..! But people were not that much wise to analyze it. Until then, familyradio.com type of ministries will be cheating people.
C
Eh im not going to worry about when the rapture happens. Whhen it does it does. No one knows when it will happen. Only God does so why worry and think about it? Our job is to be the light of the world. The disciples thought the rapture would happen in their time too but it didnt. Every generation thought it would happen in their life time. There was lots of wickedness and evil back then too.
We are taught to watch and be ready.
Mat 24:
Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour[SUP][f][/SUP] your Lord is coming. [SUP]43 [/SUP]But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. [SUP]44 [/SUP]Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
As for events leading up to the "rapture." There is no rapture as many of us were taught and still being taught. There is the second coming of Jesus at the final trump, immediately after the Great Tribulation. Those who remain will be gathered together with Him in the clouds but we don't go to heaven yet. We reign on earth with the Lord for 1,000 years before the new heaven and new earth are created.
I am delighted to see so many on this thread who do not believe in the Pre Trib Rapture lie which I believe is of the Devil, meant to mislead many Christians during the end times to that they will "fall away" (as Paul teaches) and believe in the Beast and Anti-Christ.
As for signs that the end is near, there are many. According to Wycliff, the Bible will be translated into all languages by 2025, see link. Bible Translators' New Tactics Put Finish Line at 2025
I firmly believe the world is about 6,000 years old. It was approximately 4,000 years old at the time of Christ. Since 7 is the number of completion - 7 days of creation and the 7th was the day of rest, and the final 1,000 years are a time of rest from Satan, I do think we are nearing the end. Jesus was crucified on April 3, 33. If Satan was allowed 6,000 years to rule the earth then we should expect the end around 2,000 years AFTER the Crucifixion. This part isn't spiritual, it is guess work on my part.
There are signs in the heavens that coincide with the 2025 to 2035 time frame also. More on those later.
Mat 24:
Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour[SUP][f][/SUP] your Lord is coming. [SUP]43 [/SUP]But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. [SUP]44 [/SUP]Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
As for events leading up to the "rapture." There is no rapture as many of us were taught and still being taught. There is the second coming of Jesus at the final trump, immediately after the Great Tribulation. Those who remain will be gathered together with Him in the clouds but we don't go to heaven yet. We reign on earth with the Lord for 1,000 years before the new heaven and new earth are created.
I am delighted to see so many on this thread who do not believe in the Pre Trib Rapture lie which I believe is of the Devil, meant to mislead many Christians during the end times to that they will "fall away" (as Paul teaches) and believe in the Beast and Anti-Christ.
As for signs that the end is near, there are many. According to Wycliff, the Bible will be translated into all languages by 2025, see link. Bible Translators' New Tactics Put Finish Line at 2025
I firmly believe the world is about 6,000 years old. It was approximately 4,000 years old at the time of Christ. Since 7 is the number of completion - 7 days of creation and the 7th was the day of rest, and the final 1,000 years are a time of rest from Satan, I do think we are nearing the end. Jesus was crucified on April 3, 33. If Satan was allowed 6,000 years to rule the earth then we should expect the end around 2,000 years AFTER the Crucifixion. This part isn't spiritual, it is guess work on my part.
There are signs in the heavens that coincide with the 2025 to 2035 time frame also. More on those later.
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The Antichrist will be a real person I believe as well as the beast. I do agree that what we were taught...what I was taught...concerning a pre-trib rapture is wrong...the timing I mean. I do not believe preachers are teaching a pre-trib rapture to intentionally mislead people. I think maybe that is what they were taught. I firmly believed it myself even before accepting Jesus. But, as the word says, "Nobody know the day or the hour." The important thing is to be ready and live our lives for Jesus right now and let God handle the future in His own time and in His own way.
I agree with everything you said but need to add something. I was taught in the Pre-trib rapture my whole life. My dad was a Baptist minister for 18 years. So, I agree that many great men of God are teaching this false doctrine because it was what they were taught too. Satan is very deceptive. He takes a truth and twists it just a bit so that it still sounds true but becomes more appealing. There is no doubt that to be Raptured and to miss the Tribulation is very appealing. But what happens to the weak in faith when it doesn't happen? Do they reject God completely and follow the Beast/Anti-Christ? Or worse, do they also turn on other Christians, ratting us out? (Brother against brother, Father against son, etc.)
Does Jesus teach that the church will be spared the Tribulation? I don't think so, quite the opposite.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. MAT 24 Jesus didn't spare his own disciples. 11 of the 12 were put to death. Why does the church think it will be spared? I guess because it is so much easier to believe and live our lives in a false sense of security.
The part I wanted to add is that we are taught to Watch and more. The lesson of the master and the thief could very well mean that we Christians who watch and prepare will know when these things are at hand and can better prepare to go through the Tribulation both spiritually and to survive it.
Does Jesus teach that the church will be spared the Tribulation? I don't think so, quite the opposite.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. MAT 24 Jesus didn't spare his own disciples. 11 of the 12 were put to death. Why does the church think it will be spared? I guess because it is so much easier to believe and live our lives in a false sense of security.
The part I wanted to add is that we are taught to Watch and more. The lesson of the master and the thief could very well mean that we Christians who watch and prepare will know when these things are at hand and can better prepare to go through the Tribulation both spiritually and to survive it.
All I know is that water is randomly turning to blood all over the earth, weather is becoming almost unpredictable, we are under danger of many astroids that apparently nasa says they do not have the money to destroy and the bible prophesies are being fulfilled almost daily.If the rapture isn't about to happen i am pretty sure the tribulation is.
Look at the words of Joel as they relate to the coming of the Lord. Joel is describing very similar events to Revelation.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Alas for the day!
For the day of the Lord is at hand;
It shall come as destruction from the Almighty.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Is not the food cut off before our eyes,
Joy and gladness from the house of our God?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]The seed shrivels under the clods,
Storehouses are in shambles;
Barns are broken down,
For the grain has withered.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]How the animals groan!
The herds of cattle are restless,
Because they have no pasture;
Even the flocks of sheep suffer punishment.[SUP][b][/SUP]
[SUP]19 [/SUP]O Lord, to You I cry out;
For fire has devoured the open pastures,
And a flame has burned all the trees of the field.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]The beasts of the field also cry out to You,
For the water brooks are dried up,
And fire has devoured the open pastures.
[h=3]The Day of the Lord[/h]2 Blow the trumpet in Zion,
And sound an alarm in My holy mountain!
Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble;
For the day of the Lord is coming,
For it is at hand:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]A day of darkness and gloominess,
A day of clouds and thick darkness,
Like the morning clouds spread over the mountains.
A people come, great and strong,
The like of whom has never been;
Nor will there ever be any such after them,
Even for many successive generations.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]A fire devours before them,
And behind them a flame burns;
The land is like the Garden of Eden before them,
And behind them a desolate wilderness;
Surely nothing shall escape them.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Their appearance is like the appearance of horses;
And like swift steeds, so they run.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]With a noise like chariots
Over mountaintops they leap,
Like the noise of a flaming fire that devours the stubble,
Like a strong people set in battle array.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Before them the people writhe in pain;
All faces are drained of color.[SUP][a][/SUP]
[SUP]7 [/SUP]They run like mighty men,
They climb the wall like men of war;
Every one marches in formation,
And they do not break ranks.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]They do not push one another;
Every one marches in his own column.[SUP][b][/SUP]
Though they lunge between the weapons,
They are not cut down.[SUP][c][/SUP]
[SUP]9 [/SUP]They run to and fro in the city,
They run on the wall;
They climb into the houses,
They enter at the windows like a thief.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]The earth quakes before them,
The heavens tremble;
The sun and moon grow dark,
And the stars diminish their brightness.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]The Lord gives voice before His army,
For His camp is very great;
For strong is the One who executes His word.
For the day of the Lord is great and very terrible;
Who can endure it?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Alas for the day!
For the day of the Lord is at hand;
It shall come as destruction from the Almighty.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Is not the food cut off before our eyes,
Joy and gladness from the house of our God?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]The seed shrivels under the clods,
Storehouses are in shambles;
Barns are broken down,
For the grain has withered.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]How the animals groan!
The herds of cattle are restless,
Because they have no pasture;
Even the flocks of sheep suffer punishment.[SUP][b][/SUP]
[SUP]19 [/SUP]O Lord, to You I cry out;
For fire has devoured the open pastures,
And a flame has burned all the trees of the field.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]The beasts of the field also cry out to You,
For the water brooks are dried up,
And fire has devoured the open pastures.
[h=3]The Day of the Lord[/h]2 Blow the trumpet in Zion,
And sound an alarm in My holy mountain!
Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble;
For the day of the Lord is coming,
For it is at hand:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]A day of darkness and gloominess,
A day of clouds and thick darkness,
Like the morning clouds spread over the mountains.
A people come, great and strong,
The like of whom has never been;
Nor will there ever be any such after them,
Even for many successive generations.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]A fire devours before them,
And behind them a flame burns;
The land is like the Garden of Eden before them,
And behind them a desolate wilderness;
Surely nothing shall escape them.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Their appearance is like the appearance of horses;
And like swift steeds, so they run.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]With a noise like chariots
Over mountaintops they leap,
Like the noise of a flaming fire that devours the stubble,
Like a strong people set in battle array.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Before them the people writhe in pain;
All faces are drained of color.[SUP][a][/SUP]
[SUP]7 [/SUP]They run like mighty men,
They climb the wall like men of war;
Every one marches in formation,
And they do not break ranks.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]They do not push one another;
Every one marches in his own column.[SUP][b][/SUP]
Though they lunge between the weapons,
They are not cut down.[SUP][c][/SUP]
[SUP]9 [/SUP]They run to and fro in the city,
They run on the wall;
They climb into the houses,
They enter at the windows like a thief.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]The earth quakes before them,
The heavens tremble;
The sun and moon grow dark,
And the stars diminish their brightness.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]The Lord gives voice before His army,
For His camp is very great;
For strong is the One who executes His word.
For the day of the Lord is great and very terrible;
Who can endure it?
[h=3]matt. 24
No One Knows the Day or Hour[/h][SUP]36 [/SUP]“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. [SUP]37 [/SUP]But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. [SUP]38 [/SUP]For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, [SUP]39 [/SUP]and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. [SUP]40 [/SUP]Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. [SUP]41 [/SUP]Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. [SUP]42 [/SUP]Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. [SUP]43 [/SUP]But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. [SUP]44 [/SUP]Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
No One Knows the Day or Hour[/h][SUP]36 [/SUP]“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. [SUP]37 [/SUP]But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. [SUP]38 [/SUP]For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, [SUP]39 [/SUP]and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. [SUP]40 [/SUP]Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. [SUP]41 [/SUP]Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. [SUP]42 [/SUP]Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. [SUP]43 [/SUP]But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. [SUP]44 [/SUP]Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Every one of us exists in the end times - as Jesus told the rich farmer (Luke 12:16-20), the ‘rapture’ could come for any one of us today. Unless you’re one of the very few still hanging on after all this hits the fan, that heart attack, that car crash, that your-ticket-is-punched is your rapture baby. Right then and there. Hub and rim, in the twinkling of an eye. You’re there.
[h=3]Matthew 25:1-13[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]The Parable of the Ten Virgins[/h]25 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Five of them were foolish and five were wise. [SUP]3 [/SUP]The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. [SUP]4 [/SUP]The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. [SUP]5 [/SUP]The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’
[SUP]7 [/SUP]“Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. [SUP]8 [/SUP]The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’
[SUP]9 [/SUP]“‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’
[SUP]10 [/SUP]“But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
[h=3]The Parable of the Ten Virgins[/h]25 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Five of them were foolish and five were wise. [SUP]3 [/SUP]The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. [SUP]4 [/SUP]The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. [SUP]5 [/SUP]The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’
[SUP]7 [/SUP]“Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. [SUP]8 [/SUP]The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’
[SUP]9 [/SUP]“‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’
[SUP]10 [/SUP]“But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.