If you were going into the Science Field, and Christian what would you want to know?

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What are some of the things that you would want to know as you went into the Science field, as a Christian - Having spent the last 9 years in it, I have some thoughts, but what about you?
 

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Being a biochemist I laugh at the thought that science disproves God. In fact the more I learn and study the bio and chemistry disciplines the more I see God's signature on all of his work of creation.

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Thanks guys ! I want specifics though - something about the Science field that may puzzle you
 

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If you really want to go with puzzling I would say things like the string theory, or how the universe is 'expanding' alot of heavy astro physics and quantum theory kinda throws my mind for a loop granted much of it is based on theory and observation created in order to explain the circumstance as it occurs without the use of 'God'. Other things like dark matter / dark energy intrigue me. Supposedly the universe's mass is made up of approximately 70% Dark Energy, 24% Dark Matter, and 6% everything else. Interestingly enough we cannot under normal means observe or 'measure' dark energy or dark matter. We just know it's there and that without it the universe as we know it is no longer at a balance. We can't measure it we can't observe it we can't quantify it in any way but we know its there or else the universe makes no sense...sounds like science's term for God does it not lol gosh I love science
 
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I'll give you an example: I was taught in high school that the scientific method was a linear process, and strict, asking a professor, he told me that he only uses it as a model to write papers...
 
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I would suggest reading, and digesting, Aristotle's "Metaphysics". It teaches the truth that all theories come from within us, can be anticipated, and are sifted through not only by what satisfies the experimental data, but also by what makes us "feel good" when we believe it. It is a really great balance to learn, so that you as a scientist, do not believe a "theory" is "proven", as so many scientists now believe of so many theories without God. Here's a good translation The Internet Classics Archive | Metaphysics by Aristotle and some critical interpretation from a trustworthy, but not a scientific, source: Aristotle's Metaphysics (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
 
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physicists, what they are actually looking for is to merge Macro physics(Newtonian/classical mechanics) with Micro physics(modern/quantum) physics - the problem lies here - We all know that Micro anything - microeconomics has an effect on macroeconomics, but for some reason micro in the physics realm has for the most part no relation to the macro

ie: It doesn't matter for a ball falling from a height, that an electron can occupy two places simultaneously at once

String theory is the idea that electrons are made of parts called quarks - and these quarks are connected together like a string - and they vibrate in order to appear as say an electron - vibrate it another way it may appear as a neutron

Someone tried to make this connection - that if all matter is created upon vibration - sound is a vibration - God spoke the world into existence... I thought that was cool
 

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That God gave us a book called the Holy Bible, scriptures, to reveal His redemptive plan for human kind. And that God gave another book, the book of nature that also reveals God's attributes and character. These two books, used properly, will harmonize together to give an enhanced understanding of God, our origins, purpose and destiny.

Psalms 19
19 The heavens declare the glory of God;
And the firmament shows His handiwork.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Day unto day utters speech,
And night unto night reveals knowledge.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]There is no speech nor language
Where their voice is not heard.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Their line has gone out through all the earth,
And their words to the end of the world.


In them He has set a tabernacle for the sun,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Which is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
And rejoices like a strong man to run its race.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Its rising is from one end of heaven,
And its circuit to the other end;
And there is nothing hidden from its heat.


[SUP]7 [/SUP]The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart;
The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes;

[SUP]9 [/SUP]The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever;
The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]More to be desired are they than gold,
Yea, than much fine gold;
Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Moreover by them Your servant is warned,
And in keeping them there is great reward.



[SUP]12 [/SUP]Who can understand his errors?
Cleanse me from secret faults.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Keep back Your servant also from presumptuous sins;
Let them not have dominion over me.
Then I shall be blameless,
And I shall be innocent of great transgression.


[SUP]14 [/SUP]Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
Be acceptable in Your sight,
O Lord, my strength and my Redeemer.




Romans 1:19-20 (speaking of the unsaved)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
 
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This is what I actually like from Aristotle - philosophers like Thomas Kuhn and Karl Popper - thanks kenisyes - the scientific Method is actually a logical fallacy!
 

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physicists, what they are actually looking for is to merge Macro physics(Newtonian/classical mechanics) with Micro physics(modern/quantum) physics - the problem lies here - We all know that Micro anything - microeconomics has an effect on macroeconomics, but for some reason micro in the physics realm has for the most part no relation to the macro

ie: It doesn't matter for a ball falling from a height, that an electron can occupy two places simultaneously at once

String theory is the idea that electrons are made of parts called quarks - and these quarks are connected together like a string - and they vibrate in order to appear as say an electron - vibrate it another way it may appear as a neutron

Someone tried to make this connection - that if all matter is created upon vibration - sound is a vibration - God spoke the world into existence... I thought that was cool
I agree I read an interesting article in regards to quarks where when scientists were able to get into that small subatomic scale they noticed the quarks vibrated and responded to sound and or a voice. Now imagine, if everything we know it in the world is made of atoms, which are made up of quarks which appear to be 'activated' or 'resonate' to sound, whomever has the voice 'frequency' we will call it to command or make the quarks act, would essentially be able to make/create anything with the act of speaking commands to them...HMMM anyone see God in this?
 
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That God gave us a book called the Holy Bible, scriptures, to reveal His redemptive plan for human kind. And that God gave another book, the book of nature that also reveals God's attributes and character. These two books, used properly, will harmonize together to give an enhanced understanding of God, our origins, purpose and destiny. ]
I actually would deny that nature is another book of the Bible - all it can do is tell of the Glory, that's not enough for salvation - that is thomism - thomism actually has been a detriment - it basically took philosophy away from God and lead to Kant-Rousseau-Hegel- Niche. Nature is not enough to come to the knowledge of God in Christ.

Evidence is not a decider of truth - Worldview is, because your worldview interprets evidence this is why creationists and evolutionists see the same evidence and come to different conclusions and are baffled with each other
 
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That God gave us a book called the Holy Bible, scriptures, to reveal His redemptive plan for human kind. And that God gave another book, the book of nature that also reveals God's attributes and character. These two books, used properly, will harmonize together to give an enhanced understanding of God, our origins, purpose and destiny. ]
I actually would deny that nature is another book of the Bible - all it can do is tell of the Glory, that's not enough for salvation - that is thomism - thomism actually has been a detriment - it basically took philosophy away from God and lead to Kant-Rousseau-Hegel- Niche. Nature is not enough to come to the knowledge of God in Christ.

Evidence is not a decider of truth - Worldview is, because your worldview interprets evidence this is why creationists and evolutionists see the same evidence and come to different conclusions and are baffled with each other
Rom 1

[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, [SUP]19 [/SUP]because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, [SUP]21 [/SUP]because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Professing to be wise, they became fools,
 
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Rom 1

[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, [SUP]19 [/SUP]because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, [SUP]21 [/SUP]because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Professing to be wise, they became fools,
Does this tell people who this God is, no it just tells us what happens to people if they reject the Biblical God? And though the evidence is plain to them, their worldview interprets this evidence otherwise. This just merely tells us that when they look at Nature, they actively deny the existence of God by interpreting the evidences of Nature otherwise
 
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I would want to know where great oil reserves were located on the earth. And that is exactly what happened to a Director of the Standard Oil Company.

The Director happened to read Exodus 2:3, which records that the ark of bulrushes that Moses' mother made to carry him was "daubed with slime and with pitch."

The Director reasoned that where there was pitch, or tar, there must also be oil,, and if oil existed in Moses' time, it was probably still there. So, he dispatched Charles Whitshott, a geologist and oil expert, to investigate. And sure enough, great deposits of oil were discovered.

For every discovery, I would surely thank God for imparting me the wisdom. But,, I'm happy being a househusband & daddy.
 

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That God gave us a book called the Holy Bible, scriptures, to reveal His redemptive plan for human kind. And that God gave another book, the book of nature that also reveals God's attributes and character. These two books, used properly, will harmonize together to give an enhanced understanding of God, our origins, purpose and destiny. ]
I actually would deny that nature is another book of the Bible - all it can do is tell of the Glory, that's not enough for salvation - that is thomism - thomism actually has been a detriment - it basically took philosophy away from God and lead to Kant-Rousseau-Hegel- Niche. Nature is not enough to come to the knowledge of God in Christ.

Evidence is not a decider of truth - Worldview is, because your worldview interprets evidence this is why creationists and evolutionists see the same evidence and come to different conclusions and are baffled with each other
I didn't say it was another book of the bible, it's simply another book. The careful and responsible study of nature and science should and does lead us to a creator, God. Then the bible takes over leading us to who this creator, our God is and what His plan is, purpose is, and which includes the plan of our Salvation. But after that said, you can find this very plan in nature by looking at the butterfly.

I am simply answering your question. If I was going to be a scientist, I'd be look for how the book of nature reveals our Creator. I'd be looking at science with a biblical world view.
 
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This is what I actually like from Aristotle - philosophers like Thomas Kuhn and Karl Popper - thanks kenisyes - the scientific Method is actually a logical fallacy!
The scientific method was gleaned from the Holy Bible to begin with.

Thus...calling it a fallacy, is to call the Holy Bible a fallacy.
 

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Rom 1

[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, [SUP]19 [/SUP]because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, [SUP]21 [/SUP]because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Professing to be wise, they became fools,
What is you point EG?
 
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So, I will be even more specific about the rest of the replies
I am writing a book, specifically for Christians who want to purse fields in Science, there is a lot of push-back and retaliation if you say your Christian, and there is temptation to shy away from being bold, or from standing for what you believe, and a push to get you to reject Genesis 1-11 and other realities of Scripture. Almost like a survival book!

It is based on my experiences, my research, what God has taught me and so on. I want things that I wish I would have known before I started in college, those types of things.(even though I got saved in my Geology program) Does this make sense?
 
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Actually the Scientific Method is from the forward to "on the revolution of heavenly bodies" written by a protestant priest - but where do you come up with this? Do you have scripture reference?