If you were going into the Science Field, and Christian what would you want to know?

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The scientific method was gleaned from the Holy Bible to begin with.

Thus...calling it a fallacy, is to call the Holy Bible a fallacy.

I am actually really interested how you got this from the Bible -
 
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Anyone who has an interest in Biology I would recommend something to do with evolutionary biology, personally it is an area I want to study in.
 
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Scientific method in it's simplest form is If p, then q ; q therefore p ~ this is called affirming the consequent which is a logical fallacy, If p, then q ; ~q therefore ~p ~this is called denying the antecedent which is also a logical fallacy
 
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I am actually really interested how you got this from the Bible -


The Scientific Method

1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena.

2. Formulation of a hypothesis to explain the phenomena. In physics, the hypothesis often takes the form of a causal mechanism or a mathematical relation.

3. Use of the hypothesis to predict the existence of other phenomena, or to predict quantitatively the results of new observations.

4. Performance of experimental tests of the predictions by several independent experimenters and properly performed experiments.



The creation account reflects the scientific method.

It begins with a statement of the point of view, orframe of reference.

Next there is an indication of the initialconditions.

Then comes a chronological account of the physical events.

Finally, there is a statement of conclusions.


Thomas Torrance's work documents the derivation of the scientific method, in large part, from the Bible.

 

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I would want to know how to get out of the science field as quick as possible.

I hate science.
 
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The Scientific Method

1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena.

2. Formulation of a hypothesis to explain the phenomena. In physics, the hypothesis often takes the form of a causal mechanism or a mathematical relation.

3. Use of the hypothesis to predict the existence of other phenomena, or to predict quantitatively the results of new observations.

4. Performance of experimental tests of the predictions by several independent experimenters and properly performed experiments.



The creation account reflects the scientific method.

It begins with a statement of the point of view, orframe of reference.

Next there is an indication of the initialconditions.

Then comes a chronological account of the physical events.

Finally, there is a statement of conclusions.


Thomas Torrance's work documents the derivation of the scientific method, in large part, from the Bible.


This is horrible - it assumes that Scripture asserts Hypothetical, shows evidence, and makes a conclusion, that is a stretch that no serious student of scripture would touch with a 10 foot pole, unless he uses eisegesis as his main theology - starting with an idea, then finding scripture that supports what he says -

The bible makes no assertion that it is hypothetical - it's literal historical ie Genesis where we are talking about, yeah i'd rethink anything done by Thomas Torrance
 
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Part of the whole notion of Worldviews is that we actively seek evidences to disprove God, or deny His existence - therefore use of the Scientific Method is a fallacy
 
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Actually, it is great.


- it assumes that Scripture asserts Hypothetical, shows evidence, and makes a conclusion, that is a stretch that no serious student of scripture would touch with a 10 foot pole, unless he uses eisegesis as his main theology - starting with an idea, then finding scripture that supports what he says -
The bible makes no assertion that it is hypothetical - it's literal historical ie Genesis where we are talking about, yeah i'd rethink anything done by Thomas Torrance
Not only does the scientific method come from the Holy Bible, but we are provided with its predictive power as a result.

A model is only as good as its predictive power.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Does this tell people who this God is, no it just tells us what happens to people if they reject the Biblical God? And though the evidence is plain to them, their worldview interprets this evidence otherwise. This just merely tells us that when they look at Nature, they actively deny the existence of God by interpreting the evidences of Nature otherwise
The words "no excuse" would show us different.

One can not say one has no excuse, if they could not know the things which was supposed to be shown.

 
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I see from your website that you are a YEC.

I must say that you are going to have to perform some stupendous denial of the scientific record and Biblical eisegesis to support your world view, or, for that matter, to convince anyone else...
 
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What is you point EG?
The point was I was agreeing with you.. Creation is a book. By itself God says mankind has no excuse for rejecting him..
 
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I see from your website that you are a YEC.

I must say that you are going to have to perform some stupendous denial of the scientific record and Biblical eisegesis to support your world view, or, for that matter, to convince anyone else...
You won't get evidence though what you will get is vague statements like 'gaps in the fossil record' or 'science is like a religion'.
 
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I see from your website that you are a YEC.

I must say that you are going to have to perform some stupendous denial of the scientific record and Biblical eisegesis to support your world view, or, for that matter, to convince anyone else...

I don't deny the scientific record, I deny the humanistic worldview that man has, in order to deny the Gospel, The Bible, or Creation. Do you know what eisegesis vs exegesis is? That a plain reading of scripture is a young creation, rather than taking meanings of word and conforming them to fit in your definition and really do harm to the text. That if you take it exegetically you draw out the importance of creation, or do you deny the book of Romans and what Jesus actually says. If you don't hold that the bible is God's word, that's fine, we make our choices and live by the consequences of them.

Alas, we put our tents one day at a time towards eternity
 
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Fundementalist atheism is like religion, I don't believe there are gaps in the fossil record
 
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Fundementalist atheism is like religion, I don't believe there are gaps in the fossil record
Stating that people who object to scientific theories constantly parrot the phrase 'gaps in the fossil record' does not equate to me saying there is absolutly no gaps in the fossil record. I prefer you would read my words instead.
 
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Being a biochemist I laugh at the thought that science disproves God. In fact the more I learn and study the bio and chemistry disciplines the more I see God's signature on all of his work of creation.

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Alrighty then! That was truly inspiring! I'm wondering if I can download that. I'd like to show that to a very old friend today that has no internet. He's a Christian but I know he struggles with his faith in his old age after suffering much over many years. But thanks again! What a wonderful point.
 
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Evidence is not a decider of truth - Worldview is, because your worldview interprets evidence this is why creationists and evolutionists see the same evidence and come to different conclusions and are baffled with each other
What a wonderful way to put it.
 
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I wrote a paper in my Master's on the Myth of the Scientific Method, and this was the beginning of seeing Science as a human endeavor, where people are full of bias, and agenda's that lead them to their conclusions - Paradigms of Science, that tower over any new theory, which lead me to Presuppositional or Worldview apologetics; That the Bible as a whole is a worldview, that cannot really be held unless we are born again and with the renewing of our minds Romans 12:2, and indwelt with the Holy Spirit

I wonder if Christians knew how much secular scientists mock them when they hold to evolution, or conform exactly to what they want, i have a few quotes
•“were going to dupe all of these bishops and clergy, if we handle this strategy right, we will pull them right along” - Charles Lisle

"Each ('day-age' or 'gap-theory'). . . involves critical compromises with the plainest, most literal reading of the Bible to force Scripture into concordance with scientific evidence regarding the age of the earth." [4] Dr. Tom McIver

I wish I could find Huxley's lambaste of Christians who so readily deny the plain reading of Genesis also deny the plain promises in them based on an exegetical study of the book of Genesis.

Correct worldviews lead to correct thinking
Presuppositions make up a worldview

Uniformity in Nature
Absolute Morality
Reliability of Senses
Laws of Logic
Reliability of Memory

All these only come from a Biblical Worldview


Jesus is the ultimate example of what it looks like to live out the Biblical Worldview
 
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The scientific method was gleaned from the Holy Bible to begin with.

Thus...calling it a fallacy, is to call the Holy Bible a fallacy.
Parts of the scientific method were indeed gleaned from the Bible. Those parts were diluted with other ideas. It's the other ideas that mess it up.
 
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hmm i was reading some of that link you sent me - have you ever read anything by Karl Popper - sounds pretty similar