Magazine uses Sesame Street Characters to Celebrate Marriage Equality Ruling

[biggiestomp]

Hey Elizabeth, Point well taken, sis! And I also agree. Those who have ears, let em hear. People are gonna draw their own conclusion out of what you said. And even thought both you and i would agree that Homosexuality is a sin, That is not what you were pointing out in this post.

And being that Lightibe just joined, welcome! But my question to you would be, since when do loving someone constitute having sex? From my understanding of love, Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. So anyone of us could and should love one another. And if we are to based our life on ones own reality, then i guess pedophiles reality should become exceptable as well? Is that what your saying? Because if that is not what your saying, then who is to set the line of standard of ones reality? Our government? I'm sure many people would not agree on that.

 

[Quickfire]

@elizebeth and hopes yer ok. sounds sick to me i would hate to think that gay people are encouraging that stuff im a bit confused though after reading biggies post makes me sick to the stomach. do gay married couple have the right to adopt to ?

 

[jimmydiggs]

Im just waiting for a photo of sesame street characters at an abortion clinic

Big Bird and snuffy fo sho.

 

[Ugly]

You have the right to believe what you want. I personally think that true love can and does take place between same sex couples and this does not diminish in any way their commitment to God. Any person fortunate enough to find someone who loves them for who they are, and as they are, is blessed.

Homosexuality is NOT wrong; it simply is. I am a heterosexual female and my attraction is to males and that is my reality. I will never tell another human being that who they are attracted to and feel a connection with is wrong because it does not reflect my reality.

Sin is an absence of love. A heterosexual person who marries for the sake of a lifestyle (money, power, status) is sinning if they marry the person for convenience and not out of love, that to me is a sin Elizabeth and people do it all the time. THAT is a perversion of love.

It is not my goal to convince you since you have your reasons to believe what you do; I just wanted to point out that while I respect your rights to think what you want, I wholeheartedly disagree with you.

Be blessed,

Lightitbe

Sin actually means 'missing the mark'. Where you got the idea sin is an absence of love, i have no idea. People who love each other sin against each other all the time. People who love each other sleep with each other before marriage. Or even in adultery. They may love each other, yet are still sinning.
Ever lost your temper with someone you love? Ever lied to someone you love? Anyone you love ever not treat you right? Are you saying that there is absolutely no sin towards anyone you love, anywhere in your life, at any time? Because according to your statement that's what that would have to mean. That statement would mean soon as there's sin, there has to be an automatic lack of love. That is just not a reasonable statement, and i see no foundation for the concept as well.

 

[TracerBullet]

With all due respect Lightitbe I disagree with you. Attraction and connection and the keyword there "feel" isn't what love is in my opinion. Love isn't a feeling. Biblically it states, God loved us so much that he gave his son for us. That wasn't a 'feeling' it was action devotion and sacrifice in my opinion. So many people consider love based on a feeling so when they 'don't feel' that way anymore about another they want to break up or file for divorce when in all reality they have not claimed or understood God's love and therefore cannot return love.

What does any of this have to do with gays and lesbians?

Homosexuality IS wrong whether you want to create any justification or belief in your head that it's not is your own prerogative. If you follow the bible and scriptures and the teachings you will see that homosexuality is a sin, like stealing killing, committing adultery but a sin nonetheless. Declaring that it is NOT wrong as you did, is completely throwing the biblical scriptures and word of God out the window.

The bible teaches a great many things are sins and many ofthese are happily ignored by modern Christians.

I understand you care for homosexuals and you do not want to show any hate. I agree with you in that regard I do want to show grace and compassion for them and I do my best everyday to do so. But claiming that their lifestyle isn't sinful is something that I will not do because biblically it is so. If you want to discard the bible as a reason why would you not throw out anything else in the bible?

What exactly is this “lifestyle” you are talking about?

I am not here to bash or belittle or put down anyone who is a homosexual,

But when you associate gays with murders and thieves that isexactly what you are doing

you could have a tendency of homosexuality, but acting on it and feeling your flesh out of 'love' is a sin, and it is not at all Godly.

DO you have a “tendency” of heterosexuality?

 

[TracerBullet]

What's sad is they actually had to make a public announcement years ago that the puppets have no sexuality and they're neither straight nor gay. They aren't going to marry Bert and Ernie but some ate convinced they are. Which is part of the reason I have problem with this. They're trying to make something innocent and sexualize it.

As I recall the public announcement was in response to anumber of televangelists claiming that Bert and Ernie were gay and were part ofsome grand conspiracy to corrupt children.

 

[Elizabeth619]

The bible teaches a great many things are sins and many ofthese are happily ignored by modern Christians.

Evidently you didn't really understand the context of this thread. It wasn't whether or not homosexuality was ok. There are plenty of other threads on this forum about that. As far as many other things ignored by Christians you are correct. It's terrible too, but this thread is not about what Christians ignore. Diverting the topic to prove a point that has nothing to to with the original subject is pointless.

But when you associate gays with murders and thieves that isexactly what you are doing

According the scripture murder, stealing and homosexuality is a sin. Yet AGAIN that is not what this thread is about.

DO you have a “tendency” of heterosexuality?

Not what the thread is about...........

As I recall the public announcement was in response to anumber of televangelists claiming that Bert and Ernie were gay and were part ofsome grand conspiracy to corrupt children.

And some televangelists claim they are Jesus. I don't watch televangelists, nor do I approve of them.

Since you did bring that up it does seem the televangelists made some sense then considering the ACTUAL TOPIC of the thread.

 

[TracerBullet]

Evidently you didn't really understand the context of this thread. It wasn't whether or not homosexuality was ok. There are plenty of other threads on this forum about that. As far as many other things ignored by Christians you are correct. It's terrible too, but this thread is not about what Christians ignore. Diverting the topic to prove a point that has nothing to to with the original subject is pointless.

Evidently you don't understand what responding to an individual's specific statement is.

According the scripture murder, stealing and homosexuality is a sin. Yet AGAIN that is not what this thread is about.

so are a lot of things. like being a non-Christian for example. Is it acceptable to compare Jews to murders and thieves?

And some televangelists claim they are Jesus. I don't watch televangelists, nor do I approve of them.

Since you did bring that up it does seem the televangelists made some sense then considering the ACTUAL TOPIC of the thread.

You were complaining about the sexualization of charactersfrom children’s television programs. And the one’s responsible for that are televangelists.

 

[Grey]

Well i mean they may be characters from a childrens show, but its also a show we all grew up and thus relate to as well. Kids that young probably wouldnt even understand the cover anyways. To them its probably just two friends on a couch.

I would be worried if my elementary school kid WAS reading the new yorker

 

[Elizabeth619]

Evidently you don't understand what responding to an individual's specific statement is.




so are a lot of things. like being a non-Christian for example. Is it acceptable to compare Jews to murders and thieves?






You were complaining about the sexualization of charactersfrom children’s television programs. And the one’s responsible for that are televangelists.

You are putting the blame on televangelists? Fine with me. People on TV say puppets are gay. Producers deny the claim and emphasize they're puppets and have no gender. Everything is fine and dandy then a group of people decide to sexualize the issue yet again. All because of TV preachers. Yes. Lets blame them. The blame game always solves problems.




As far as comparing Jews to murderes and thieves that's not what the topic is about. I'd prefer my thread not be derailed. If you want to discuss that then start your own thread.

 

[terminallyCapricious]

I KNEW IT. They had a total bromance for each other I knewwwww ittttttttttttttttt

More seriously, though, I won't lie. I did laugh. But then I was like, yeahhh, if the network is uncomfortable with it, then I guess it has it's problems. I thought the network did that or suggested that idea for the cover. But I guess not.

 

[TracerBullet]

You are putting the blame on televangelists? Fine with me. People on TV say puppets are gay. Producers deny the claim and emphasize they're puppets and have no gender. Everything is fine and dandy then a group of people decide to sexualize the issue yet again. All because of TV preachers. Yes. Lets blame them. The blame game always solves problems.

They are the ones that started this nonsense almost twentyyears ago. I doubt without them anyone wouldhave ever thought about it.

As far as comparing Jews to murderes and thieves that's not what the topic is about. I'd prefer my thread not be derailed. If you want to discuss that then start your own thread.

As stated before my post was in direct response the postmade by Mo0448. If you are upset by any “derailing”why don’t you go back and write a nasty and condescending response to his post.

 

[Elizabeth619]

They are the ones that started this nonsense almost twentyyears ago. I doubt without them anyone wouldhave ever thought about it.



As stated before my post was in direct response the postmade by Mo0448. If you are upset by any “derailing”why don’t you go back and write a nasty and condescending response to his post.

So now you're complaining about who I respond to? In two separate posts youve attempted to derail the topic, and it seems you're still trying to. Maybe that's the reason you got a "nasty" response and others did not.
Btw, telling someone to make another thread isn't nasty. It's a suggestion to prevent issue of people getting off track.

 

[Elizabeth619]

I KNEW IT. They had a total bromance for each other I knewwwww ittttttttttttttttt

More seriously, though, I won't lie. I did laugh. But then I was like, yeahhh, if the network is uncomfortable with it, then I guess it has it's problems. I thought the network did that or suggested that idea for the cover. But I guess not.

I think there was actually a petition going around a few years back for them to get married. I don't understand why people want gender less puppets to marry.

 

[Mo0448]

What does any of this have to do with gays and lesbians?


This has Everything to do with Gays and Lesbians, and many destructive relationships we see today. People base love solely on a 'feeling' and since feelings change or are molded by environment many have different 'feelings' and act on it. If we base love on a 'feeling' it essentially justifies us committing adultery, cheating on relationships and marriages based on those 'feelings'. Oh I'm not 'happy' anymore or this will make me 'happy'. I just don't 'feel' the same way anymore how many times have you heard that as an excuse from people? Just because you 'feel' something does not mean its a healthy or a good feeling to act on? Ever been so angry, and not act on the feeling of anger? That's called self control many would do good to have that...Homosexuals and heterosexuals alike.


The bible teaches a great many things are sins and many ofthese are happily ignored by modern Christians.


I'm not sure where you want to take this there are several roads you let me know and I'll have the corresponding answer. Better yet I'll just give you all the answers so you can pick whichever road you want to take. A:Your argument is irrelevant and illogical to begin with. Just because one is a Christian does not make them automatically a saint a perfect individual or one who never does wrongs. Whoever made you believe otherwise is a Liar. Secondly, I am not sure which Christians you are looking at but there are certainly self-righteous modern Christians that are less Christians than the biggest atheist out there and pulling an argument from the most extreme case does not make the argument any more relevant. I.E if I take the most extreme atheist who is rude and condescending should I make the assertion all of them are that way? No that's called passing judgment you appear to be good at that. B: if you are talking about the old testament, we do not have to live by the 'law' as a Christian because when Christ came and died on the cross for you and me and all of our sins he fulfilled that law. In another words, through Christ and his death on the cross we fulfill those laws, or requirements to be in communion with the Lord. C: New Testament, there are many instances in the New Testament which describes homosexuality as a sin. If you would really like me to find the scriptures corresponding to it you let me know.

What exactly is this “lifestyle” you are talking about?


By "lifestyle" if you read my post correctly you'd see I am describing a lifestyle of unrepentant sin. As a Christian when you sin you are convicted in your heart and soul by the Holy Spirit. You confess your sin and seek forgiveness. When one commits and sin and ignores it and continues to live in it they are living a lifestyle of unrepentant sin.

But when you associate gays with murders and thieves that isexactly what you are doing


What I am trying to suggest, once again its in my post, is that all sins are considered the same in God's eyes whether I steal a pencil or steal a candy bar or rob a bank! Now society has different consequences to these different crimes but in God's eyes a sin is a sin is a sin. If you don't acknowledge what you are doing is a sin and continue to live in it and do so you are living in unrepentant sin.

DO you have a “tendency” of heterosexuality?

You are totally missing the point...if I have a tendency for whatever and I act on my desires of the flesh I AM sinning. Whether that be hetero homo bestiality whatever! As a heterosexual, if I give in to the 'feelings' of my flesh to have sex and not be in a marriage covenant with that individual I am committing a sin.

You've been taking what I am saying and applying a Non-Christian World View on it, no wonder it's not going to make any sense to you.

 

[Elizabeth619]

You are totally missing the point...if I have a tendency for whatever and I act on my desires of the flesh I AM sinning. Whether that be hetero homo bestiality whatever! As a heterosexual, if I give in to the 'feelings' of my flesh to have sex and not be in a marriage covenant with that individual I am committing a sin.

You've been taking what I am saying and applying a Non-Christian World View on it, no wonder it's not going to make any sense to you.

Mo, apparently i have created conflict and others are complaining. Don't derail my thread. I also think I'm supposed to be "nasty" to you now so others feel better. So..... YOU JERK! don't derail my thread. Ok. Carry on. :/

 

[Mo0448]

My apologies Elizabeth just answering his questions! I blame bert and ernie! It was done in poor taste. I wonder if that magazine had bert and ernie in church...I wonder how all the nonchristians out there would demand the publisher's heads on a platter


you're so mean!!!!!

 

[Elizabeth619]

My apologies Elizabeth just answering his questions! I blame bert and ernie! It was done in poor taste. I wonder if that magazine had bert and ernie in church...I wonder how all the nonchristians out there would demand the publisher's heads on a platter


you're so mean!!!!!

Yes. Extremely mean. I just don't know how I sleep at night.

I wonder what would happen if we posted a photo of big bird going to church? I'm guessing the other side would be outraged.

 

[Mo0448]

How do you sleep at night...must spend countless hours awake pondering your awful deeds

 

[TracerBullet]

telling me that I don’t understand the thread because I respondedto a post which was tangentially off the thread topic is nasty and condescending.

So now you're complaining about who I respond to?

Actually you are the one doing that when you complainedabout the fact I responded to an earlier post