Are demons really fallen angels?

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Are demons fallen angels?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 76.0%
  • No

    Votes: 2 8.0%
  • I'm confused.

    Votes: 4 16.0%

  • Total voters
    25
  • Poll closed .

iamsoandso

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yes i agree "were in a box" without tangible evidence we cannot draw a conclusion,,to be fair,,,,,,,,,,i was in hopes some of you had spotted more that i could apply,,,,but it is the same conclusion. i do beleave we have the same hunch though that it is an unnatural co-mixture,,,but we are still in a box,,,
 
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NiceneCreed

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Like I said before,I don't force u to believe me even if i posted it biblically. Im still ok with that.
Nowhere in my post that I said "demons/evil spirits were the spirits of the giants that were wiped off during Noah's flood". There's no passage in the bible also that states fallen angels have become demons or evil spirits after the fall. If you feel u can provide me the complete passages then feel free to do so.

God bless
The Greek word for demon, "daimon" literally means "evil spirit;" that is the definition of the word "demon." So we have deduced "demon" actually means "evil spirit." We also know that when people die, their spirits do not roam the earth. Furthermore, the nephilim were killed off in the flood -- as you mentioned -- you never claimed nephilim were demons. Then I ask you this one question: Since "demon" is defined as "evil spirit," and demons are not the spirits of dead men or nephilim (the Bible makes this point clear), what do you propose demons are, if you believe they are not fallen angels?
 
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NiceneCreed

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I wasn't saying they aren't spirit. I'm saying that because one is a spirit doesn't mean all spirits come from the same place. Let's face it, we've no real idea what a spirit is; we just know we can't see it.

I was actually referring to your final statement; Evil spirit(s) [According to Scripture] = Satan/Fallen Angels. My point is, because one thing is a spirit and angels are spirits, this doesn't make all evil spirits fallen angels.
Nephilim are not evil spirits; the Bible makes this point clear. Dead men are not evil spirits; the Bible makes the point clear, also. "Demon," as defined by the Greek, literally means "evil spirit."

Let's just look at what we do know:

(1) "Demon," as defined by the Greek word "daimon," means "evil spirit."

(2) Deceased humans and nephilim do not roam the earth as evil spirits, as the Bible makes clear.

(3) Scripture states that Satan and his fallen angels were cast down to the earth, which they currently inhabit (Rev. 12:7-9).

(4) We do know that fallen angels -- spirit beings -- willingly rebel and sin against God.

(5) Therefore, fallen angels are evil spirits (i.e., "demons").
 
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Shiloah

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Nephilim are not evil spirits; the Bible makes this point clear. Dead men are not evil spirits; the Bible makes the point clear, also. "Demon," as defined by the Greek, literally means "evil spirit."

Let's just look at what we do know:

(1) "Demon," as defined by the Greek word "daimon," means "evil spirit."

(2) Deceased humans and nephilim do not roam the earth as evil spirits, as the Bible makes clear.

(3) Scripture states that Satan and his fallen angels were cast down to the earth, which they currently inhabit (Rev. 12:7-9).

(4) We do know that fallen angels -- spirit beings -- willingly rebel and sin against God.

(5) Therefore, fallen angels are evil spirits (i.e., "demons").
I've no idea what you think you're arguing with me about. My point simply was because one thing is spirit and so is another, that doesn't make them the same thing. Such as... angels and demons obviously aren't the same thing? God and angels obviously aren't the same things even though God is spirit?

My point also it that we've really no clue what a spirit is other than the fact that we can't see it. We jump to too many conclusions regarding what spirits can or cannot do. Maybe they're just in an alternate dimension we can't survive in. They're still whatever they are, be they demons or angels or whatever else.

Hint: this isn't an argument for or against who the Nephilims were.

P.S. I've no idea if demons and fallen angels are the same things. The Bible never really says that. You got a scripture that says they are? Ok then. I don't care one way of another. I just know I'm suppose to avoid them like the plague. lol.
 
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NiceneCreed

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I've no idea what you think you're arguing with me about. My point simply was because one thing is spirit and so is another, that doesn't make them the same thing. Such as... angels and demons obviously aren't the same thing? God and angels obviously aren't the same things even though God is spirit?

My point also it that we've really no clue what a spirit is other than the fact that we can't see it. We jump to too many conclusions regarding what spirits can or cannot do. Maybe they're just in an alternate dimension we can't survive in. They're still whatever they are, be they demons or angels or whatever else.

Hint: this isn't an argument for or against who the Nephilims were.

P.S. I've no idea if demons and fallen angels are the same things. The Bible never really says that. You got a scripture that says they are? Ok then. I don't care one way of another. I just know I'm suppose to avoid them like the plague. lol.
Would you, at the very least, admit that fallen angels are evil, since they willingly rebel and sin against God?
 
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Shiloah

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Would you, at the very least, admit that fallen angels are evil, since they willingly rebel and sin against God?
Well for heaven's sake yes. lol. They're obviously evil. Good grief.
 
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Kerry

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I wonder who Gabriel fought for 21 days and had to call for Michael to help Him. Gabriel said he was the prince of Persia. This could not be a man. Since 1 unnamed angel killed 185,000 men of the Assyrian army in one night. Daniel record this. That is how powerful fallen angels rule over this world. Clearly this was not a demon or evil spirit. They are under the rule of fallen angels and I have already given my belief as to where they come from. Thank God for the Name of Jesus which is above every name. Clearly there is rank here.

Ephesians 6:12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
 
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Mammachickadee

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Read The Screwtape Letters sometime and then ask that question.
 
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danschance

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I wonder who Gabriel fought for 21 days and had to call for Michael to help Him. Gabriel said he was the prince of Persia. This could not be a man. Since 1 unnamed angel killed 185,000 men of the Assyrian army in one night. Daniel record this. That is how powerful fallen angels rule over this world. Clearly this was not a demon or evil spirit. They are under the rule of fallen angels and I have already given my belief as to where they come from. Thank God for the Name of Jesus which is above every name. Clearly there is rank here.

Ephesians 6:12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Someday we'll know who that was. Since Gabriel is an archangel, it must of been a fallen archangel. Many believe it was satan, but it might of been another un-named archangel.

Personally, I doubt very highly that it could of been satan. Satan thinks he is the top dog, right? Even above God. Yet this one's title is "prince of Persia". satan would not call himself a prince.
 
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Kerry

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The only angel in the bible given the title as "arch" is Michael the protector of Israel. Many have somehow attributed that title to Gabriel and Lucifer. But, you will not find that in any translation of the KJV.

And you are correct it was not satan. he is at the throne accusing the brethren. Job chapter 1,2.
 
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danschance

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The only angel in the bible given the title as "arch" is Michael the protector of Israel. Many have somehow attributed that title to Gabriel and Lucifer. But, you will not find that in any translation of the KJV.

And you are correct it was not satan. he is at the throne accusing the brethren. Job chapter 1,2.
That is correct. However, we know lucifer was the top dog at one point. So it stands to reason that he is a fallen archangel. Gabriel is seen as doing similar things to Michael, so it we can wonder if he is an archangel too.
 
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Kerry

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I understand. Yet the word only gives Michael that title. Yet we look through a glass dimly. What a revelation heaven will be my friend.
 
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Shiloah

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Would you also admit that angels are, indeed, spirits?
Nicene, I've already watched you use this reasoning once. Frankly, I don't know if angels are spirits. Does it say in the bible they are? Now, you're reasoning doesn't work anyway because the angels that didn't fall would be made of the same stuff fallen angels are, so how does that make fallen angels demons, who you're assuming are spirits in the first place? There was my original point. The fact that you're thinking fallen angels are spirits does not make them demons. I mean, they may well be demons, but that reasoning doesn't make them demons.
 
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Shiloah

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The only angel in the bible given the title as "arch" is Michael the protector of Israel. Many have somehow attributed that title to Gabriel and Lucifer. But, you will not find that in any translation of the KJV.

And you are correct it was not satan. he is at the throne accusing the brethren. Job chapter 1,2.
Well actually, some have taken that to mean that Jesus was Michael before the incarnation. Not a created angel, so don't freak. They take it as if Michael was Jesus before the incarnation, then Michael wouldn't have been created. What's funny is that Jesus never said He was or wasn't created. He said His Father was God and that He was sent by God, which makes Him an angel in the sense that He was God's messenger, as in, the Messenger of the Lord with a big M.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I think Jesus was created. I just think it's silly to claim we know stuff He never explained in the Bible. When we say "God" we really don't even know what we're saying. If we're saying "the creator," well ok. Otherwise? We're guessing.
 
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NiceneCreed

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Nicene, I've already watched you use this reasoning once. Frankly, I don't know if angels are spirits. Does it say in the bible they are? Now, you're reasoning doesn't work anyway because the angels that didn't fall would be made of the same stuff fallen angels are, so how does that make fallen angels demons, who you're assuming are spirits in the first place? There was my original point. The fact that you're thinking fallen angels are spirits does not make them demons. I mean, they may well be demons, but that reasoning doesn't make them demons.

But if fallen angels are evil (As you yourself agreed they were), and if they are also spirits (Assuming they are spirits, frankly), wouldn't it be logical to conclude they are evil spirits?

We do know that God is spirit, but God is also Good. I never stated that because Satan is a spirit, that he somehow has the same nature as God; I honestly don't know why you inferred that from anything I stated previously. Let me clarify what it is I intended to say about spirits in the first place, by using a physical model instead.

For example:

(1) Humans have physical bodies

(2) Some humans rebel and sin against God

(3) Some humans are obedient to God, and they have also accepted His Son Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior

(4) Therefore, not all humans are evil [Through the grace of God]


Likewise, although Satan and Fallen angels, like God, are spirits, I never implied they possessed the same nature of God (no one does for that matter). Rather, I should say, there are many angels, like humans, who choose to be obedient to God. If indeed those good angels are spirits, would we not call them 'good spirits'? To the contrary, if fallen angels are also spirits, would we not call them 'bad or evil spirits,' considering we have already established fallen angels are evil for rebelling and sinning against God? Mind you, the qualities of good or evil natures are not denoted by beautiful or hideous forms, but by the character of one's nature. Many claim that Satan is the most beautiful of all angels, but those who make that claim, also state he is the most vile.


This is what I have gathered so far:

(1) You accept the premise that fallen angels are evil

(2) You also (or at least should) accept the definition of the word "demon" is: "evil spirit," as this is the literal Greek to English translation of the word "demon"

(3) You deny and/or question the validity of whether or not angels, fallen or otherwise, are spirits

(4) Therefore, you have concluded fallen angels are evil, but until it has been established they are spirits, you would not classify them as evil spirits.


I am seriously past the point of discussing my views on this any further with you, as I feel as though my discussing this with you has been perceived as argumentative. It is not my intention to argue -- if that is how my communications have come across -- but I do enjoy discussion. Yet it seems at this point, I have only upset you with everything I have said. But I really would like to know, what is it you think demons are? I want your honest opinion, and please explain why you have reached that opinion.


Grace and Peace!
 
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from what I understand, devils are the fallen angels, and demons are nephilim.
 
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Many believe demons are fallen angels. Even so, there is no biblical proof of this that I am aware of. Eph. 6:12 does suggest there are different types of evil at work against us but it does not make a distinction between angels and demons.




I've never before heard it said that demons are fallen angels.
 
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danschance

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from what I understand, devils are the fallen angels, and demons are nephilim.
That seems to make sense, but I can't find a scripture that says that. So I am in the undecided category.