The Age of the Gentiles is passing.

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We passed the age from Moses to Christ, when God worked with a people to teach them to live abundantly and eternally. I think it is interesting that God used what they did every day for training: eating, bathing, clothes, even sex. Always, this training was after His people accepted God as their one and only God. These suggestions for living within God’s kingdom were not for the pagans, only for those in the family of God. They weren’t for salvation, atonement was for that, but were helps toward worship. God found they sometimes misused this training.

This training was based on the idea that there is a connection between the spiritual and physical world, that our world is made in the image of God. In the age we are in, we believe that the physical world is of the flesh and is of the devil. God says that is a Gnostic belief and not of God. God said He created the world and it was good. So we feel that nothing we do physically can be for God, it is our flesh that does it and we are to stay away from worldliness. We are to die to the flesh, and take on Christ. That is read as dying to the physical as an expression of spiritual, and take on only spiritual.

Christ is the start of the last age, the age of the gentile. We are coming to the end of that age according to scripture. Our age has been very long, about 2,000 years, but according to scripture it is coming to an end. We are to know the end by watching for the Jews return to the Holy Land and the gospel being available to all.

A main ingredient of our age is to be against Judaism. God said that would be so and in Luke 21:24 and Romans 11:25 that tells of our age, both scriptures mentions the sword used against the Jews. Millions have been killed by us for no other reason than that they are Jews.

Luke 21:[SUP]24 [/SUP]They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Romans 11:[SUP]25 [/SUP]I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,

When you read the history of the development of the organized church in our age, you find that lots of our worship centers on the Jews. Our church is organized around getting rid of anything relating to them in our worship. We say that following law is a matter of eliminating the way Jews did it. We say holidays devoted to God must be only ones of the gentile age. Even Passover about the birth of Christ had to be completely changed, the name, the date, the method of celebration. The bible has to be read and understood as an elimination of anything Jewish.

There is the word “obsolete”in the scripture of Hebrews. True bible scholars follow carefully the OT, and how Christ made what obsolete. Often our church reads that word and uses It to wipe out anything of God that Jews believe.

There were tendencies in the church for this to happen from the beginning. The pagans would not have accepted salvation offered by Christ if it meant accepting the rituals Jews used in their worship,and those rituals were not Christ’s message. Much of our scripture after Christ is talking about this very thing. Man has taken each instruction as meaning WOW, Christ gives us all and expects nothing from us we can’t do at the same time we live just as we always have, no change, it is wonderful.

There was a remnant of people in the age of Moses who understood, and that age worked well for them, but for many it did not work at all. Our organized church calls it the age of works, and looks down their nose at it. We could call our age the age of no works. It the same way as works teaching only backwards, it works for the remnant because they understand. But for the majority, neither of these ways of following God is working.

God used the pagan Constantine for His purposes in the same way God used Nebuchadnezzar. He was an emperor who set up the guidelines for much of our organized church in 324. He called for a council that established that Christ was God when some church leaders were teaching He was not, so we think that truth made all he said truth. All of his leading has been incorporated in our organized church and much of it is against God. He said if the Jews did it, it was wrong. There went Passover (he put in Easter to tell us it was fine), all the holidays as God laid them out, and we could get rid of much of what God said about our world in the Old Testament. It was too Jewish. Constantine said everything of the Jews was wrong except that Christ could be included.

I think we all should do careful study now. God says the new age will center, again, on the Jews. So much time has elapsed between the people of the OT and us that we have a hard time reading it the same way as the people who wrote it meant that God was breathing this scripture to them. God has opened up ways for us to understand through archeology such as the deep sea scrolls. The first was in 1946, and information is just now seeping down to us. They were important for they gave a way to translate very early written language so findings could be read. It isn't what is new that is important, but in giving us better understanding of what we have been told.

More and more people are Christians who worship all of God, and open their hearts to all scripture, not just the final chapters of God’s message to us of His plans for our salvation and life both here and eternally.
 

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I find the mercy of God so awesome when you consider he allowed people from all nations to be included into his people.. neither Jew nor Greek but all one in Christ :)
 
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Yeah there is a shift within the
Next 100 - 200 years. We will passing into the Age of Aquarius. We went through Taurus, now we are in Piscies.

I believe the Bible recognises the passing from Taurus to Piscies, something to do with a Bull I recall. I wonder what this age will mean for religion? Considering how important the last passing of the age was.
 
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I find the mercy of God so awesome when you consider he allowed people from all nations to be included into his people.. neither Jew nor Greek but all one in Christ :)
This is such a wonderful observation!

God's desire is for all humans to live with Him. The Jews are special, not because of their race or who they are, but only because they were used to teach all people about Him. It all leads to the love God has for all humanity, God's desire for all our salvation.
 
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Re: "the age of the Gentile is passing" you my friend have
sent me on a search of something I had forgotten. I found
this to be interesting.

While reading the Gospels, we can encounter passages which puzzle us. One such passage concerns a statement made by Jesus in response to questions on the part of his disciples concerning the destruction of the Jewish Temple and the end of the age (Luke 21:5-7).

For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. (Luke 21:22-24)

While it is beyond the scope of our present treatment to examine how Luke’s presentation here contrasts with those of Matthew (24) and Mark (13), most understand Jesus’ words in Luke as predicting the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 A.D. at the hands of Rome.

As part of his answer, Jesus’ mentions the phrase, “the times of the Gentiles,” in association with the idea of the trampling of Jerusalem and the dispersion of Jews into all nations. Many questions spring to the reader’s mind: What makes these times particularly Gentile in nature? What does it mean for Jerusalem to be trampled? Does this time period begin at the destruction of Jerusalem by Rome as the passage seems to imply? If the times are to be fulfilled, what brings about the fulfillment? Why doesn’t Jesus elaborate further about what He meant?

It is my view that the last of the above questions: Why doesn’t Jesus elaborate further about what He meant?, holds the key to unlocking the meaning of the passage. One reason that Jesus doesn’t provide additional explanation is simply this: much of what Jesus says in the Gospels is anchored by revelation previously given in the Old Testament. Where Jesus is teaching concepts which find their origin in the Old Testament, He expects His listeners to be familiar with the basis of His teachings (Mat. 21:24; 22:29; Mark 12:24; Luke 24:27; John 5:39). And so it is with this passage and its parallel passages in Matthew and Mark. In fact, both Matthew and Mark make mention of additional information provided by Jesus in the context of this same teaching which establish part of the Old Testament context for understanding all three passages in the synoptics:

“Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.” (Mat. 24:15-16 cf. Mark 13:14)

It is not our design to launch into a consideration of the details of the above statement other than to note one very important point: Jesus is underscoring the importance of Old Testament revelation given in relation to the book of Daniel for understanding much of what He has to say in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. Thus, it is reasonable for us to expect we might gain a greater understanding of the mysterious phrase “times of the Gentiles” by considering the events of the book of Daniel—and especially the situation which led to Daniel’s captivity in Babylon and the fall of Israel to Nebuchadnezzar during the dominion of the Neo-Babylonian empire.

When we do this, we find that the key to understanding the times of the Gentiles is found in promises and expectations which God established for the Davidic throne which was to rule righteously on earth in the midst of the nations. This mysterious time, which Jesus mentions in Luke, relates to a period of judgment concerning occupation of the Davidic throne which began in the days of Daniel, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, and Nebuchadnezzar hundreds of years before Jesus was born.

( Tony Garland ) 2012
 

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Yes, the organized church had it's share of black eyes the past 2000 years but Israel's history wasn't exactly a stellar walk either... Golden calves,Moloch worship, Ashtoroth, Anath, Baals, Astarte etc.etc. and this all with their supposed (by some) fuller revelation of the Law. C'mon this is why God has concluded both under sin and declares His Way through His Son.
 
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age of the gentile...oh my. i so dont like reruns:p
 
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The Bible makes several references to the "times of the Gentiles" that reveal specific details about this period. Jesus said that just before His return, armies would surround Jerusalem and that the city would be "trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled" (Luke 21:20–24). Jesus did not pull this idea out of thin air. He was referring to a prophecy made 600 years earlier by Ezekiel, who wrote that "the day of the Lord is near; it will be a day of clouds [a foreboding period], the time of the Gentiles" (Ezekiel 30:1–4). Ezekiel links the time of the Gentiles with key events at the end of the age—a time when God dramatically intervenes in world history. The prophet Joel uses the same ominous language to describe severe drought, famine and war associated with the "day of the Lord" at the end of the age (Joel 2–3). In the Bible, the "times of the Gentiles" are clearly associated with the period just before the return of Jesus Christ.
The Apostle John states that Gentile powers will gain control of the city of Jerusalem, including the precincts around the temple, for 42 months (three-and-a-half years) just before Christ's return (Revelation 11:2). Zechariah is even more specific with his prediction: "Behold the day of the Lord is coming… I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; the city shall be taken… Half of the city shall go into captivity" (Zechariah 14:1–4). This prophecy implies that when the Gentiles gain control of Jerusalem, the Jewish half of the population will be taken into captivity. This is to occur during the time of the Gentiles—just before Christ's return.
Jesus mentions another specific event that will occur during this time. He warned that, "when you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place… then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains" (Matthew 24:15–16). According to Daniel, an evil end-time Gentile ruler (the king of the north) will make an agreement with Jews of Jerusalem to allow sacrifices to begin, but after three-and-a-half years he will break that agreement (Daniel 9:27). He will then set up an image that will defile the holy place (Daniel 11:31; 12:11). This will be a specific sign that Christ's return is imminent. It will occur during the "time of the Gentiles"—when Gentiles gain control of Jerusalem.

[ from Times of the Gentiles ]
 
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Yes, the organized church had it's share of black eyes the past 2000 years but Israel's history wasn't exactly a stellar walk either... Golden calves,Moloch worship, Ashtoroth, Anath, Baals, Astarte etc.etc. and this all with their supposed (by some) fuller revelation of the Law. C'mon this is why God has concluded both under sin and declares His Way through His Son.
I don't think the sins that people committed before the crucifixion are good reasons to not study scripture.

I thought that by knowing Christ we were given a way to grow spiritually, as well as the forgiveness of sin and other benefits offered through Him. We have been told to watch for this time. It is here.
 

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Christ is the start of the last age, the age of the gentile. We are coming to the end of that age according to scripture.
oh ya.
Plan B is coming to an end, so G-d can get down to what He really wanted (but He got blind-sided by the crucifixion) - Plan A.

Our age has been very long, about 2,000 years, but according to scripture it is coming to an end.
what ever are you talking about?
trying to rebuild what God tore down, again?

i wonder why? is the rabbis you're listening to?

when this age comes to an end, it's over, dear.

We are to know the end by watching for the Jews return to the Holy Land and the gospel being available to all.
documentation on that please?

A main ingredient of our age is to be against Judaism.
and so we should.
Judaism is a religion of deceit, superstition, self-worship, is AntiChrist in every way.

it blasphemes Jesus, came from Babylon and has zero to do with Moses and the prophets.
nothing at all.

God said that would be so and in Luke 21:24 and Romans 11:25 that tells of our age, both scriptures mentions the sword used against the Jews. Millions have been killed by us for no other reason than that they are Jews.
speak for yourself.

i haven't murdered millions of jews.

how many millions were murdered in russia at the hands of the jews, redtent?
that doesn't count though?

i mean if we're going to just tear scriptures out of context and apply to them modern events,

Luke 21:24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
didn't ya know God ordained that?
a little thing called 70AD.



or are you blaming this on hitler...or constantine?

God said that would be so and in Luke 21:24 and Romans 11:25 that tells of our age, both scriptures mentions the sword used against the Jews. Millions have been killed by us for no other reason than that they are Jews.
which is it?
did the death of the jews in Jersualem of Luke 21 happen in the past?
or is it yet future?

Romans 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,
uh....long over.

The bible has to be read and understood as an elimination of anything Jewish.
that's odd.
i guess we have to rip out the new testament, since it was recorded for us by hebrews (jews).

your problem is your total and jaw-dropping ignorance of what JUDAISM is.

There is the word “obsolete”in the scripture of Hebrews. True bible scholars follow carefully the OT, and how Christ made what obsolete. Often our church reads that word and uses It to wipe out anything of God that Jews believe.
if jews don't believe in Jesus, what they believe profits nothing.
nothing at all.

Jesus (yes, Him...Emmanuel) said they didn't even believe Moses.



a-a-a-a-a-a-and more emotional rhetoric based on a very poor understanding of God's Plan; His Mercy and His severity.
not to mention His Son, the Cross and faith.

then there's that problem you have with mixing the satanic religion of Judaism in with the true faith.
but hey - it's popular.

and predicted.
people will go to hell over it.
they don't really believe Paul's warnings anyways.
 
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If 70 AD has been fulfilled, the Lord would have already came back
Matt 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 
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If 70 AD has been fulfilled, the Lord would have already came back
Matt 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The bible lists "comings" that are NOT the second advent...see rev 3:3...a coming in judgement...not a second coming
Matt 24:29-31 is talking about coming in Judgement..see rev. 1:7; Dan 7:13; Zec 12:10; and:..

John 19:36-37 John 19:36-7

36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

this took place at the crucifixion. fulfilled

example of coming in the clouds meaning "judgement" also sun darkenned, moon without light.
this is not literal...its judgement language:

prophecy Fulfilled
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Isa 13:1,6-13
730 BC[/TD]
[TD]-the day of the Lord is near
-hands fall limp, man's hearts melt, terror
-stars of heaven and constellations will not flash forth their light, sun
dark when it rises, moon not shed light, heavens shake, earth tremble[/TD]
[TD]Babylon
539 BC[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Isa 19:1
730 BC[/TD]
[TD]-Lord riding on a swift cloud and is about to come to Egypt
-the idols of Egypt will tremble at His presence[/TD]
[TD]Egypt
480 BC[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Isa 34:4-5
730 BC[/TD]
[TD]-all host of heaven (stars) will wear away
-sky rolled up like a scroll, all their hosts will wither[/TD]
[TD]Edom
before 400BC[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Ezek 30:3-4
590 BC[/TD]
[TD]-The day of the Lord is near
-It will be a day of clouds,[/TD]
[TD]Egypt
480 BC[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Amos 8:9
755 BC[/TD]
[TD]-sun go down at noon
-earth dark in broad daylight[/TD]
[TD]Israel
722 BC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Zeph 1:7,
14-16
630 BC[/TD]
[TD]-Near is the great day of the Lord, near and coming very quickly
-a day of wrath, trouble, distress, destruction, desolation, darkness,
gloom, clouds, thick darkness
-a day of trumpet and battle cry[/TD]
[TD]Jerusalem
586 BC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jer 4:14-16, 19,23-28
6:1,22
626-586BC[/TD]
[TD]-sound of trumpet, alarm of war
-no light, heavens above dark
-Yet I will not execute a complete destruction
-a people is coming from the north, a great nation: Babylon[/TD]
[TD]Jerusalem
586 BC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Joel 2:28 + Acts 2:16
830 BC[/TD]
[TD]-great and awesome day of the Lord
-blood, fire, columns of smoke, sun into darkness, moon into blood,[/TD]
[TD]All Jews
30 AD[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mt 24:29-30
30 AD[/TD]
[TD]-sign of son coming on clouds
-sun darkened, moon turned to blood, stars fall from sky, roaring of sea
& waves, men fainting from fear, heavens shaken[/TD]
[TD]Jerusalem
70 AD[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mt 26:64
30 AD[/TD]
[TD]-Son of man sitting at right hand of power, coming on clouds of heaven[/TD]
[TD]Jerusalem
70 AD[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2 Pe 3:10-13
67AD[/TD]
[TD]-Day of Lord will come
-Heavens will pass away with roar, elements destroyed with intense
heat, earth and works burnt up[/TD]
[TD]Second Coming
???? AD[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Rev 1:7
96 AD[/TD]
[TD]-Christ is coming with clouds[/TD]
[TD]Second coming[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Acts 1:9-11
30 AD[/TD]
[TD]-Christ will return in same way he left...with clouds[/TD]
[TD]Second coming[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
taken from Prophetic language of Mt 24 found throughout the Old Testament
 
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The bible lists "comings" that are NOT the second advent...see rev 3:3...a coming in judgement...not a second coming
Matt 24:29-31 is talking about coming in Judgement..see rev. 1:7; Dan 7:13; Zec 12:10; and:..

John 19:36-37 John 19:36-7

36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

this took place at the crucifixion. fulfilled

example of coming in the clouds meaning "judgement" also sun darkenned, moon without light.
this is not literal...its judgement language:

prophecy Fulfilled
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Isa 13:1,6-13
730 BC
[/TD]
[TD]-the day of the Lord is near
-hands fall limp, man's hearts melt, terror
-stars of heaven and constellations will not flash forth their light, sun
dark when it rises, moon not shed light, heavens shake, earth tremble
[/TD]
[TD]Babylon
539 BC
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Isa 19:1
730 BC
[/TD]
[TD]-Lord riding on a swift cloud and is about to come to Egypt
-the idols of Egypt will tremble at His presence
[/TD]
[TD]Egypt
480 BC
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Isa 34:4-5
730 BC
[/TD]
[TD]-all host of heaven (stars) will wear away
-sky rolled up like a scroll, all their hosts will wither
[/TD]
[TD]Edom
before 400BC
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Ezek 30:3-4
590 BC
[/TD]
[TD]-The day of the Lord is near
-It will be a day of clouds,
[/TD]
[TD]Egypt
480 BC
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Amos 8:9
755 BC
[/TD]
[TD]-sun go down at noon
-earth dark in broad daylight
[/TD]
[TD]Israel
722 BC
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Zeph 1:7,
14-16
630 BC
[/TD]
[TD]-Near is the great day of the Lord, near and coming very quickly
-a day of wrath, trouble, distress, destruction, desolation, darkness,
gloom, clouds, thick darkness
-a day of trumpet and battle cry
[/TD]
[TD]Jerusalem
586 BC
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jer 4:14-16, 19,23-28
6:1,22
626-586BC
[/TD]
[TD]-sound of trumpet, alarm of war
-no light, heavens above dark
-Yet I will not execute a complete destruction
-a people is coming from the north, a great nation: Babylon
[/TD]
[TD]Jerusalem
586 BC
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Joel 2:28 + Acts 2:16
830 BC
[/TD]
[TD]-great and awesome day of the Lord
-blood, fire, columns of smoke, sun into darkness, moon into blood,
[/TD]
[TD]All Jews
30 AD
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mt 24:29-30
30 AD
[/TD]
[TD]-sign of son coming on clouds
-sun darkened, moon turned to blood, stars fall from sky, roaring of sea
& waves, men fainting from fear, heavens shaken
[/TD]
[TD]Jerusalem
70 AD
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mt 26:64
30 AD
[/TD]
[TD]-Son of man sitting at right hand of power, coming on clouds of heaven
[/TD]
[TD]Jerusalem
70 AD
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2 Pe 3:10-13
67AD
[/TD]
[TD]-Day of Lord will come
-Heavens will pass away with roar, elements destroyed with intense
heat, earth and works burnt up
[/TD]
[TD]Second Coming
???? AD
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Rev 1:7
96 AD
[/TD]
[TD]-Christ is coming with clouds
[/TD]
[TD]Second coming
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Acts 1:9-11
30 AD
[/TD]
[TD]-Christ will return in same way he left...with clouds
[/TD]
[TD]Second coming
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
taken from Prophetic language of Mt 24 found throughout the Old Testament
I don't think these scriptures about the second coming applies, except to let us know to put on the full armor of God, to walk closely in His path. I have no fear of my Lord, or even of the tribulations He tells me of. God will take care of me, and all His children. God tells me to watch and draw close to Him. So I watch to learn if there is something God wants me to do, something God wants of His church to prepare for it. I carefully checked the first 500 years of our church and how it developed. This is what I found. So I am reporting it.

I have been told that they aren't about to read the scripture about gentiles, it is old hat, I should never mention it. That I am going to hell for saying anything. One who seems so very filled with hate, points out that God is disciplining the Jews and Christians should join Hitler types in that, when God says to leave it to Him. So it is OK to talk of Christ coming, but never mention what Christ wants us to do to prepare. I am not saying anything I think, I am repeating what I found after long study. You are not turning on a certain poster, you are turning on the facts she dug up after long hard study.
 

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One who seems so very filled with hate, points out that God is disciplining the Jews and Christians should join Hitler types in that
what rubbish is this?
you clearly know nothing about real history.
 

zone

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A main ingredient of our age is to be against Judaism.


REVIEW

5.0 out of 5 stars

No Hate in this Fantastic Read

Feb 28 2012

"Judaism's Strange Gods" is a fantastic work by Michael Hoffman. Despite repeated ad hominem attacks and false accusations against the author and his work (both this book and "Judaism Discovered"), there is no hate here. There are no calls to violent action, nor any praise of Nazis and other boogeymen.

What this work has is facts, plain and simple, quoted directly from the primary sources of Judaica. It is written in a matter-of-fact tone and does not contain any invective. No barriers are raised to prevent reconciliation.

In the book the reader will discover that Judaism is indeed not the religion of the Old Testament, as is so often erroneously stated today. The reader will realize that the term 'Judeo-Christian' is an oxymoron, as Judaism contains curses against Jesus, Mary, the Disciples, the Church and its Patriarchs and followers. As another reviewer has stated, when revealed, Talmudic Judaism comes to reflect an amalgamation of multiple pagan beliefs and practices.

I found the inclusion of loop holes among the hyper-regulatory Talmud very enlightening. For the author to seek these out is quite extraordinary, as one would find a loop hole to a previous regulation hidden within another section all together. The pattern of repeated decoy set-ups to deflect an outside inquiry manifests itself at every turn. In addition to these, the reader will see some rather eye-opening quotations from such celebrated humanist saints like Maimonides and Hillel. One may wonder why these are never mentioned and are actively hidden and buried today, in this supposed open and free-thinking modern world. Shouldn't these racist and xenophobic statements be brought out into the light of day and discussed openly? Statements of Jesus Christ, St. Paul, and nearly all of the Popes are parsed in hopes of finding (or creating) instances of inconsistency almost daily. Why are Judaic sages immune to this analysis? Once these sentiments are known, one could then look to see if today's adherents to Judaism act under their influence, and if so, if it helps or hinders the process to bring peace to Palestine and the Middle East. With knowledge of the concept of the rodef - or pursuer - in Judaism, the public could begin to understand a main source of philosophy that has engendered propenents of abortion to advance their cause.

I highly recommend this book. It is sure to be a classic, as honest forays into Judaism remain scarce and hardly published, contra to the mountain of pages devoted to analyzing Christianity and Islam

http://www.amazon.ca/Judaisms-Strange-Gods-Revised-Expanded/dp/0970378483



“Paganism is fundamentally about relationships — with trees, fire, earth, air, spirits and other people,” Ezrahi said. “It’s about not seeing the world as an object, but seeing it as alive.” For some in the Jewish community, this translates into rituals celebrating the “Divine feminine” (which the Kabbalah has been doing for centuries anyway). For others, it means cultivating “eros,” which can mean anything from love and sexuality to more general notions of life force.

For Rabbi Jill Hammer, whose organization, Tel Shemesh, is dedicated to “celebrating and creating Earth-centered rituals within Judaism,” contemporary paganism is actually nothing new. Contrary to those who say that paganism equals idolatry, or that “pagan Judaism” is no different from, say, the messianic Judaism of Jews for Jesus, Hammer argues that “paganism has always been part of Judaism. The rabbis in the Talmud are worried about idolatrous objects, but they do magical spells. They’re involved in the same things they would consider pagan if other people did them.” What troubled the rabbis, Hammer said, was not the pagan practices themselves, but their propensity to lead people to avodah zara, or foreign worship.

Read more: Jewish Paganism: Oxymoron or Innovation? – Forward.com
 
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Tell me, Zone, was it God who reestablished Israel in 1948?










REVIEW

5.0 out of 5 stars

No Hate in this Fantastic Read

Feb 28 2012

"Judaism's Strange Gods" is a fantastic work by Michael Hoffman. Despite repeated ad hominem attacks and false accusations against the author and his work (both this book and "Judaism Discovered"), there is no hate here. There are no calls to violent action, nor any praise of Nazis and other boogeymen.

What this work has is facts, plain and simple, quoted directly from the primary sources of Judaica. It is written in a matter-of-fact tone and does not contain any invective. No barriers are raised to prevent reconciliation.

In the book the reader will discover that Judaism is indeed not the religion of the Old Testament, as is so often erroneously stated today. The reader will realize that the term 'Judeo-Christian' is an oxymoron, as Judaism contains curses against Jesus, Mary, the Disciples, the Church and its Patriarchs and followers. As another reviewer has stated, when revealed, Talmudic Judaism comes to reflect an amalgamation of multiple pagan beliefs and practices.

I found the inclusion of loop holes among the hyper-regulatory Talmud very enlightening. For the author to seek these out is quite extraordinary, as one would find a loop hole to a previous regulation hidden within another section all together. The pattern of repeated decoy set-ups to deflect an outside inquiry manifests itself at every turn. In addition to these, the reader will see some rather eye-opening quotations from such celebrated humanist saints like Maimonides and Hillel. One may wonder why these are never mentioned and are actively hidden and buried today, in this supposed open and free-thinking modern world. Shouldn't these racist and xenophobic statements be brought out into the light of day and discussed openly? Statements of Jesus Christ, St. Paul, and nearly all of the Popes are parsed in hopes of finding (or creating) instances of inconsistency almost daily. Why are Judaic sages immune to this analysis? Once these sentiments are known, one could then look to see if today's adherents to Judaism act under their influence, and if so, if it helps or hinders the process to bring peace to Palestine and the Middle East. With knowledge of the concept of the rodef - or pursuer - in Judaism, the public could begin to understand a main source of philosophy that has engendered propenents of abortion to advance their cause.

I highly recommend this book. It is sure to be a classic, as honest forays into Judaism remain scarce and hardly published, contra to the mountain of pages devoted to analyzing Christianity and Islam

http://www.amazon.ca/Judaisms-Strange-Gods-Revised-Expanded/dp/0970378483



“Paganism is fundamentally about relationships — with trees, fire, earth, air, spirits and other people,” Ezrahi said. “It’s about not seeing the world as an object, but seeing it as alive.” For some in the Jewish community, this translates into rituals celebrating the “Divine feminine” (which the Kabbalah has been doing for centuries anyway). For others, it means cultivating “eros,” which can mean anything from love and sexuality to more general notions of life force.

For Rabbi Jill Hammer, whose organization, Tel Shemesh, is dedicated to “celebrating and creating Earth-centered rituals within Judaism,” contemporary paganism is actually nothing new. Contrary to those who say that paganism equals idolatry, or that “pagan Judaism” is no different from, say, the messianic Judaism of Jews for Jesus, Hammer argues that “paganism has always been part of Judaism. The rabbis in the Talmud are worried about idolatrous objects, but they do magical spells. They’re involved in the same things they would consider pagan if other people did them.” What troubled the rabbis, Hammer said, was not the pagan practices themselves, but their propensity to lead people to avodah zara, or foreign worship.

Read more: Jewish Paganism: Oxymoron or Innovation? – Forward.com
 
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I love it when Zone starts ranting. I don't read her, but I know it is about Jews in some way. She is so well read, I wonder if she reads scripture without using it to prove some viewpoint of hers. If that wonderful mind of hers could be wiped clean and then she start absorbing only God's word or history of our world as God works in it, what an asset she would be to the kingdom. Jewish Paganism!!! All her isms. Have you noticed there is nothing positive, working toward God's kingdom of love in all of it?
 

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Yeah there is a shift within the
Next 100 - 200 years. We will passing into the Age of Aquarius. We went through Taurus, now we are in Piscies.

I believe the Bible recognises the passing from Taurus to Piscies, something to do with a Bull I recall. I wonder what this age will mean for religion? Considering how important the last passing of the age was.
I think astrology is bull.
 
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I love it when Zone starts ranting. I don't read her, but I know it is about Jews in some way. She is so well read, I wonder if she reads scripture without using it to prove some viewpoint of hers. If that wonderful mind of hers could be wiped clean and then she start absorbing only God's word or history of our world as God works in it, what an asset she would be to the kingdom. Jewish Paganism!!! All her isms. Have you noticed there is nothing positive, working toward God's kingdom of love in all of it?
Ranting? I missed that.

That's some gift you've got, to *not* read her, yet know what she's saying.


Actually, none of the words were her own. They were quotes from Amazon, and from forward dot com, from an article I would have guessed you would like. :rolleyes:

btw---just because you continually refer to any word ending with -ism as evil, well, it just don't make it so.
i can name a few in which you believe, or approve, such as judaism and dispensationalism and baptism. probably also heroism and agism.


Before you say things like "Jewish Paganism!!!" (as if no such thing could possibly exist), may I suggest you actually read the book zone recommended? I know you study with a "rabbi"...perhaps hearing both sides of the issue couldn't hurt? :)

 
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Ranting? I missed that.

That's some gift you've got, to *not* read her, yet know what she's saying.


Actually, none of the words were her own. They were quotes from Amazon, and from forward dot com, from an article I would have guessed you would like. :rolleyes:

btw---just because you continually refer to any word ending with -ism as evil, well, it just don't make it so.
i can name a few in which you believe, or approve, such as judaism and dispensationalism and baptism. probably also heroism and agism.


Before you say things like "Jewish Paganism!!!" (as if no such thing could possibly exist), may I suggest you actually read the book zone recommended? I know you study with a "rabbi"...perhaps hearing both sides of the issue couldn't hurt? :)

I don't read her because I read enough to decide she cannot be trusted to report only from God, and because she decided to send me to hell.

I am against basing knowledge of God on isms without going to His word. Never have I said I am against isms or study. I do look at isms but only in relation to scripture, and I keep my main study as purely from God as I can, including only what I think illustrates that. Being against basing all learning and belief on ism and Is not against ism. It is against basing God knowledge on that. You are saying I study with a "rabbi'. Now, what rabbi do I study with? I think you are trying to throw stones at me, so you are making up a target.

I do not think that reading about jewish paganism will help my personal walk with my Lord. I read the news and am heartsick about the way the Jews have turned away from God, if that is what it is about. I don't have Jewish friends, but I have met some and heard what they think about God. I have studied the effects of their rituals on personal lives, and find that helpful to know and interesting. You advise me to read about their paganism, but I'll bet if I suggested a book I found interesting "Jews in the Middle Ages", you would say I should never learn about that, only delve into their paganism. Many Jews are now pagans, Jews affected the Middle Ages. Why is one learning more important than another? Both are facts.