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YES, When I read and studied the Bible for myself, about 51 yrs, ago, I could see that salvation by Grace alone, by Christ alone, thru faith alone, thru works alone, was a lie. Not that baptism is absolutely essential for sal., but it is essential are is all other types of faith /works. Peter makes this clear as he uses the flood (which destroyed) as a anti type of water baptism (which saves). The word of scripture are clear to all who will hear. the only things absolutely required is,: Grace, Faith and Works ! More later. Love to all, Hoffco
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If you are saying that salvation by Grace alone and by Christ alone is a lie, then sorry, you are not a true believer. Jesus Christ and not works is what will save us. We must believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, and the Bible states that unless you are born again, meaning repenting and turning from your sin & are baptized, you will not inherit the kingdom of God. Where is your scripture to back up that all this is a lie? The flood has nothing to do with saving us. Grace and faith will save us, but not works. You are clearly confused. The only way you can go to Heaven without baptism, is like the thief on the cross. Unless you are dying in your bed on the 11th hour of life, then baptism is essential for entering Heaven. You are really confused, sorry.
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WOW, talk about confusion,LOL, you need only read what you said."Grace and faith will save you, but not works".... "born again, meaning repenting and turning from your sin & are baptized, you will not inherit the Kingdom of God." You say grace thru faith alone saves? No way! Even you don't believe that, you say, " we must repent and and be baptized to be born again".(you said it?, Right? right. but you are, wrong!) repentance is gift of grace, Acts 11:18 "...God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life". Only after we are born again can we truly repent. and Water baptism does not save, in the absolute sense, but water bap. does save in a general sense; /water baptism is a work of faith that leads to life also, 1Pet.3:21 :...There is also an antitype which now saves us-BAPTISM (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God),.." Every child knows that, salvation is by the grace of God, thru faith and unto works. As i tell my children,"every good boy or girl who loves and obeys Jesus will go to Heaven, But every bad boy or girl who does not love and obey Jesus goes to ? you know where?,right (they say Hell) right! Hell." Being born again is a sovereign miracle of God, it is not caused by our actions at all. We are "born of God" "not of the will of the flesh nor the will of man but of God" Jh,1:13 We ,in faith, ask God to make us "born again", but the faith does not help make us "born of God", only god's power can cause life in our dead soul. In 1Jh, God tells us who "are(is) born of God" 1. 2:29 those who are righteous "is born of God" 2. 3:9 "Who ever has been born of God does not sin"(Practice sin) 3. 3:7 "everyone who loves is born of God" 4. 5:1 "Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God," . I ask you, do we love the brethren to become born of God? NO! do we believe in Jesus to become born of God? NO! Our faith and works of righteousness are the result of our being "born of God". AND, did you read anything about being born again by the water of baptism,in the book of 1 Jh.? NO! NOW, please, listen to GOD in Romans 6:21-22 'But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God," ( we are dead , we are passive, God sets us free) "having been set free" & "having become slaves of God" ( God made us slaves to Himself) (this is the "gift" of God, the new birth) (NOW,) "you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life." ( you will live holy and gain eternal life by your holiness) (but your faith and good works are the result of God's gift of the new birth) v.23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." NOW ,water baptism is one of our good works of obedience that saves us,generally speaking. Both God's actions and our actions save us. Jesus said, " enter in at the narrow gate and walk the narrow way to life." More later, Love to all, Hoffco
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Paul tells us that we no longer know Jesus AFTER the flesh. Jesus Christ came IN THE FLESH to lead us INTO THE SPIRIT. It was paramount to be CIRCUMCISED, KEEP HOLY DAYS, KEEP SABBATH, PAY TITHES, and many PHYSICAL THINGS under the law of Moses.
Jesus came with binding laws of the spirit. In Matt. 5, 6, and 7 Jesus said
Examples:
"Swear" under Moses / DON'T SWEAR AT ALL UNDER CHRIST.
"Hate your enemies" under Moses / LOVE YOUR ENEMIES UNDER CHRIST!
"Don't commit adultery" under Moses / DON'T EVEN LOOK TO LUST AFTER A WOMAN UNDER CHRIST
God said he would write His NEW COVENANT (not a revised version of the OLD COVENANT) upon the minds and hearts of His followers.
Circumcision was so very important to every Jewish man. Paul said "Circumcision IS NOTHING"!!! So drastic was this change brought about by Jesus Christ, that Paul said that a PHYSICAL JEW of the PHYSICAL NATION OF ISRAEL, who is PHYSICALLY CIRCUMCISION in the flesh only, IS NO JEW AT ALL!!! But a GENTILE, not of the nation of Israel, and NOT PHYSICALLY CIRCUMCISED in the flesh, but CIRCUMCISED IN HIS HEART, HE, A GENTILE, IS A JEW!!! (Rom. 2:27-29).
Now then, with that in mind turn to Col.2:19-13:
Nothing that we do that starts in the flesh can add one cubic to our spiritual stature.
Jesus came with binding laws of the spirit. In Matt. 5, 6, and 7 Jesus said
"you have heard it said [by the LAW OF MOSES]..." that you are to do this or do that, but Jesus said, "BUT I SAY UNTO YOU..."
And then He gave a different and contradicting law.
Examples:
"Swear" under Moses / DON'T SWEAR AT ALL UNDER CHRIST.
"Hate your enemies" under Moses / LOVE YOUR ENEMIES UNDER CHRIST!
"Don't commit adultery" under Moses / DON'T EVEN LOOK TO LUST AFTER A WOMAN UNDER CHRIST
God said he would write His NEW COVENANT (not a revised version of the OLD COVENANT) upon the minds and hearts of His followers.
Circumcision was so very important to every Jewish man. Paul said "Circumcision IS NOTHING"!!! So drastic was this change brought about by Jesus Christ, that Paul said that a PHYSICAL JEW of the PHYSICAL NATION OF ISRAEL, who is PHYSICALLY CIRCUMCISION in the flesh only, IS NO JEW AT ALL!!! But a GENTILE, not of the nation of Israel, and NOT PHYSICALLY CIRCUMCISED in the flesh, but CIRCUMCISED IN HIS HEART, HE, A GENTILE, IS A JEW!!! (Rom. 2:27-29).
Now then, with that in mind turn to Col.2:19-13:
"And ye are COMPLETE IN HIM, which is the head of all principality and power: In Whom also ye ARE CIRCUMCISED [how?] with the circumcision MADE WITHOUT HANDS, in putting off the body of the SINS OF THE FLESH by the CIRCUMCISION OF CHRIST: buried with Him in BAPTISM [how? same way! "without hands" or water], wherein also ye ARE RISEN WITH HIM through the faith of the operation of God, Who has raised Him from the dead. And you, being DEAD IN YOUR SINS and the uncircumcision of your flesh, has he quickened [made alive] together with Him, having FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES."
According to Paul, "How many baptisms are there?"
"There is ONE body, and ONE Spirit, even as ye are called in ONE hope of your calling; ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE BAPTISM, ONE God and Father of all, Who is above all, and through all, and in you all" (Eph. 4:4-6).
Water baptism avails us NOTHING unless we are BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST (Rom. 6:3-7) with a baptism WITHOUT HANDS--not of the letter and the flesh, but of the SPIRIT!
Nothing that we do that starts in the flesh can add one cubic to our spiritual stature.
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Eph 4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, ONE BAPTISM
Water baptism+ baptism by the holy spirit= 2 baptisms right?
It is possible to be baptized and be one of the finest baptized persons alive and still not be a Christian. One can be put under the water a dry sinner, and come up a wet one!
So then we cant say when a person is baptized in water, he is at the same time baptized by the holy spirit.
I always wonder why Jesus did not baptize anybody!
Jn 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, ONE BAPTISM
Water baptism+ baptism by the holy spirit= 2 baptisms right?
It is possible to be baptized and be one of the finest baptized persons alive and still not be a Christian. One can be put under the water a dry sinner, and come up a wet one!
So then we cant say when a person is baptized in water, he is at the same time baptized by the holy spirit.
I always wonder why Jesus did not baptize anybody!
Jn 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
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The Bible says in order to be saved, you must believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, born of a virgin, who died on the cross and shed His blood for our sins, died, rose again the third day, and is alive now and sitting at the right hand of God. First of all, if you do not believe this, you are already damned. The Bible says so. The Bible gives also instructions for salvation. You must repent, confess your sins, and be baptized with water and spirit. The Bible states if you are not "born again", you will not inherit eternal life. It is faith and grace. Works will not save you, although we need words in order to please God. Faith without works is dead. But good works will never save anyone.
You seem to be confused a lot. The questions is have you ever changed your mind about baptism being essential for salvation? This is the question. My answer is NO... you must be baptized according to the word of God, with the exception, as I stated before, if you are like the thief on the cross. The thief on the cross was not baptized, and if you are on your dying bed, in the 11th hour of your life and accept the Lord, and repent, and don't have time to get baptized before you are dead, then yes, you can still have salvation. It's so easy. Why is everyone making it so confusing and complicated?
You seem to be confused a lot. The questions is have you ever changed your mind about baptism being essential for salvation? This is the question. My answer is NO... you must be baptized according to the word of God, with the exception, as I stated before, if you are like the thief on the cross. The thief on the cross was not baptized, and if you are on your dying bed, in the 11th hour of your life and accept the Lord, and repent, and don't have time to get baptized before you are dead, then yes, you can still have salvation. It's so easy. Why is everyone making it so confusing and complicated?
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This is a very tricky subject guys and is also a favorite topic of mine.when we look at scripture we can see where the confusion which led to many different denominations sprang up.i think one should play it safe when it comes to obeying scripture that is clearly understood.i mean lets face it guys Jesus himself surrendered to water baptism even when John the baptist expressed great surprise that a sinless man who was the lamb of God would want to undergo a seemingly pointless ritual.13Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
We see from this scripture excerpt that the only part of the born again process that Jesus did not undergo was repentance because he was sinless.Then as a result of this he receives the spirit of God.
Another important question we have to ask ourselves is why did the apostle Peter seemingly disobey Jesus instruction to baptize in the NAME(not NAMES but NAME)of the FATHER,SON AND HOLY GHOST?
In Matthew 28:19 we can read Jesus’ great commission unto His disciples saying, “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, BAPTIZING them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”
Now, Jesus Christ, the Author and Finisher of our faith, never told us to baptize in the NAMES, but in the N-A-M-E, (singular). The clue here is to find what NAME the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost possess. Take note that the word “Father” is not a NAME. “Son” is not a NAME either; neither is the Holy Ghost a NAME. These are but TITLES of the ONE true GOD.If we trace God’s Name back in the Old Testament, we will find that God the FATHER was always called the “LORD”, capital "L-O-R-D".
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In the New Testament, we find that “JESUS” was the name given to the SON of God.
In this our age, the dispensation of grace, when the Holy Ghost was given since the Day of Pentecost, He is called the “CHRIST” or the “Anointing” of God.
We can now therefore conclude from these basis that the TITLES of “Father, Son and Holy Ghost” refer to only one compound NAME, which is the only Name which was given on earth whereby man must be saved (Acts 4:12) - and that NAME is nothing else but the NAME of the “LORD JESUS CHRIST”, the complete NAME of GOD.We can read all throughout the Bible that ALL of Jesus’ disciples used His NAME in Water Baptism (References: Acts 2;38; Acts 19:1-5; Acts 10:46-48; Acts 8:14) .
NEVER can we find in the entire pages of the Bible where anybody was ever baptized using the TITLES of Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Look it up for yourself and you’ll NEVER find one.The apostles understood that baptism in those TITLES was not a LITERAL command, just as when Jesus told them, “Except you EAT My FLESH and DRINK my BLOOD, you have NO Life in you”. Nowhere in the Bible can we find that they literally ATE the flesh of Jesus nor DRANK his blood.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]THE APOSTLES HAD A CORRECT REVELATION[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Apostle PETER, having been given the keys to the Kingdom, commanded the JEWS, saying, “REPENT everyone of you and BE BAPTIZED in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins” (Acts 2:38) “and you shall receive the gifts of the Holy Spirit.”
The same FORMULA was used by Saint PAUL. Paul himself REBAPTIZED the disciples of John the Baptist (Acts 19:1-5) in this same manner, saying, “Have ye received the Holy Ghost SINCE you believed? They said, ‘We know not whether there be any Holy Ghost.’ Paul said, “How was you baptized?” They said,’ We’ve been baptized unto John.’ Then said Paul, “John verily baptized with baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him that should come after him, that is on CHRIST JESUS.” WHEN THEY HEARD THIS, they were baptized in the NAME of the LORD JESUS” .
PETER AND JOHN did the same to the SAMARITANS as well in Acts 10:48,” And he commanded them to be BAPTIZED in the NAME of the LORD JESUS” .
The GENTILES who were in the house of Cornelius who first received the Gospel were also baptized in this same manner (Acts 10:46-48) , “For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnified God. Then answered PETER, “Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? AND HE COMMANDED them to be BAPTIZED in the NAME of the LORD JESUS” (NIV).
ALL true believers in the Bible, both Jews, Gentiles and Samaritans, were ALL baptized in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST, for that is the genuine and Biblical way of doing it. What about you?
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We see from this scripture excerpt that the only part of the born again process that Jesus did not undergo was repentance because he was sinless.Then as a result of this he receives the spirit of God.
Another important question we have to ask ourselves is why did the apostle Peter seemingly disobey Jesus instruction to baptize in the NAME(not NAMES but NAME)of the FATHER,SON AND HOLY GHOST?
In Matthew 28:19 we can read Jesus’ great commission unto His disciples saying, “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, BAPTIZING them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”
Now, Jesus Christ, the Author and Finisher of our faith, never told us to baptize in the NAMES, but in the N-A-M-E, (singular). The clue here is to find what NAME the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost possess. Take note that the word “Father” is not a NAME. “Son” is not a NAME either; neither is the Holy Ghost a NAME. These are but TITLES of the ONE true GOD.If we trace God’s Name back in the Old Testament, we will find that God the FATHER was always called the “LORD”, capital "L-O-R-D".
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In the New Testament, we find that “JESUS” was the name given to the SON of God.
In this our age, the dispensation of grace, when the Holy Ghost was given since the Day of Pentecost, He is called the “CHRIST” or the “Anointing” of God.
We can now therefore conclude from these basis that the TITLES of “Father, Son and Holy Ghost” refer to only one compound NAME, which is the only Name which was given on earth whereby man must be saved (Acts 4:12) - and that NAME is nothing else but the NAME of the “LORD JESUS CHRIST”, the complete NAME of GOD.We can read all throughout the Bible that ALL of Jesus’ disciples used His NAME in Water Baptism (References: Acts 2;38; Acts 19:1-5; Acts 10:46-48; Acts 8:14) .
NEVER can we find in the entire pages of the Bible where anybody was ever baptized using the TITLES of Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Look it up for yourself and you’ll NEVER find one.The apostles understood that baptism in those TITLES was not a LITERAL command, just as when Jesus told them, “Except you EAT My FLESH and DRINK my BLOOD, you have NO Life in you”. Nowhere in the Bible can we find that they literally ATE the flesh of Jesus nor DRANK his blood.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]THE APOSTLES HAD A CORRECT REVELATION[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Apostle PETER, having been given the keys to the Kingdom, commanded the JEWS, saying, “REPENT everyone of you and BE BAPTIZED in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins” (Acts 2:38) “and you shall receive the gifts of the Holy Spirit.”
The same FORMULA was used by Saint PAUL. Paul himself REBAPTIZED the disciples of John the Baptist (Acts 19:1-5) in this same manner, saying, “Have ye received the Holy Ghost SINCE you believed? They said, ‘We know not whether there be any Holy Ghost.’ Paul said, “How was you baptized?” They said,’ We’ve been baptized unto John.’ Then said Paul, “John verily baptized with baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him that should come after him, that is on CHRIST JESUS.” WHEN THEY HEARD THIS, they were baptized in the NAME of the LORD JESUS” .
PETER AND JOHN did the same to the SAMARITANS as well in Acts 10:48,” And he commanded them to be BAPTIZED in the NAME of the LORD JESUS” .
The GENTILES who were in the house of Cornelius who first received the Gospel were also baptized in this same manner (Acts 10:46-48) , “For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnified God. Then answered PETER, “Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? AND HE COMMANDED them to be BAPTIZED in the NAME of the LORD JESUS” (NIV).
ALL true believers in the Bible, both Jews, Gentiles and Samaritans, were ALL baptized in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST, for that is the genuine and Biblical way of doing it. What about you?
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]WERE ST. PETER AND PAUL WRONG?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]No. These apostles knew what most religious leaders of today FAIL to recognize.
First: That the NAME of the Lord Jesus Christ is the FAMILY NAME of all Christians both in heaven and on earth (Read Eph.3:15).
Second: There is NO OTHER NAME under heaven whereby we must be SAVED only in the Name of JESUS (Acts 4:12).
Third: That the FULLNESS of the Godhead dwelleth BODILY in CHRIST (Col. 2:9).
And fourth: That BAPTISM must be performed in the NAME of the CRUCIFIED (Read 1 Cor. 1:13).
The Bible tells us that “Whatever you DO in word or in DEED, do ALL in the NAME of the LORD JESUS CHRIST” (Col. 3:17). JESUS even taught us that “REPENTANCE and REMISSION of sins should be preached in HIS NAME, beginning at Jerusalem, unto the uttermost parts of the world” (Luke 24:47).[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]THREE TITLES TO ONE NAME[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Father, Son and Holy Ghost are THREE TITLES. Yet there is only ONE NAME. It was revealed unto the apostles that salvation alone goes in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST (Acts 4:12).
The Bible teaches that there is NO salvation in any other name, title or places, ONLY in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST (Acts 4:12). Yet He is the “Rose of Sharon”, “Lily of the Valley”, “Morning Star”, “Alpha and Omega” - HE IS ALL THESE THINGS, yet there’s NO SALVATION in any of these titles; ONLY IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.
God has so many TITLES: “Our Righteousness”, “Our Peace”, “Ever-Present”, “Our Father”, “Our King”, “Prince of Peace”, “Son”, and “Holy Ghost”. BUT He has ONLY ONE HUMAN NAME, and that NAME is JESUS - by which Name every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that He is King of kings and Lord of lords.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]No. These apostles knew what most religious leaders of today FAIL to recognize.
First: That the NAME of the Lord Jesus Christ is the FAMILY NAME of all Christians both in heaven and on earth (Read Eph.3:15).
Second: There is NO OTHER NAME under heaven whereby we must be SAVED only in the Name of JESUS (Acts 4:12).
Third: That the FULLNESS of the Godhead dwelleth BODILY in CHRIST (Col. 2:9).
And fourth: That BAPTISM must be performed in the NAME of the CRUCIFIED (Read 1 Cor. 1:13).
The Bible tells us that “Whatever you DO in word or in DEED, do ALL in the NAME of the LORD JESUS CHRIST” (Col. 3:17). JESUS even taught us that “REPENTANCE and REMISSION of sins should be preached in HIS NAME, beginning at Jerusalem, unto the uttermost parts of the world” (Luke 24:47).[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]THREE TITLES TO ONE NAME[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Father, Son and Holy Ghost are THREE TITLES. Yet there is only ONE NAME. It was revealed unto the apostles that salvation alone goes in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST (Acts 4:12).
The Bible teaches that there is NO salvation in any other name, title or places, ONLY in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST (Acts 4:12). Yet He is the “Rose of Sharon”, “Lily of the Valley”, “Morning Star”, “Alpha and Omega” - HE IS ALL THESE THINGS, yet there’s NO SALVATION in any of these titles; ONLY IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.
God has so many TITLES: “Our Righteousness”, “Our Peace”, “Ever-Present”, “Our Father”, “Our King”, “Prince of Peace”, “Son”, and “Holy Ghost”. BUT He has ONLY ONE HUMAN NAME, and that NAME is JESUS - by which Name every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that He is King of kings and Lord of lords.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]WHAT ABOUT MATTHEWS 28:19?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The above-given Scriptures (Book of Acts) are not given to refute Matthew 28:19 where Jesus told the apostles to baptize in the NAME of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. They merely show HOW the command was interpreted and obeyed by the disciples in the entire Bible.
AN INVITATION
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If you have not been baptized in the NAME of the LORD JESUS CHRIST yet, YOUR BAPTISM IS WRONG. You have to be REBAPTIZED AGAIN in the NAME of Jesus Christ in order for you to receive the Spirit of God.
Acts 2:38 plainly says, “REPENT, everyone of you, and BE BAPTIZED in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST for (What?) the REMISSION OF SINS - (You are still in your sins if you are not baptized in the NAME of the LORD JESUS CHRIST for no other Name is given whereby we must be saved), “AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST”.
GOD IS CALLING ON YOU TODAY, SINCERE CHRISTIAN, to be restored back to the original faith that was once delivered to the saints. As Romans 8:30 says, “Whom He did predestinate, them He also CALLED: and whom He called, then He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified.”
If you are God’s predestinated seed, you will recognize this Message to be the Truth. And you will not wait long until you are baptized in the NAME of the LORD JESUS CHRIST. Get right with God now while mercy and grace is upon your reach. “Obedience is better than sacrifice” (1 Samuel 15:22).
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The above-given Scriptures (Book of Acts) are not given to refute Matthew 28:19 where Jesus told the apostles to baptize in the NAME of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. They merely show HOW the command was interpreted and obeyed by the disciples in the entire Bible.
AN INVITATION
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If you have not been baptized in the NAME of the LORD JESUS CHRIST yet, YOUR BAPTISM IS WRONG. You have to be REBAPTIZED AGAIN in the NAME of Jesus Christ in order for you to receive the Spirit of God.
Acts 2:38 plainly says, “REPENT, everyone of you, and BE BAPTIZED in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST for (What?) the REMISSION OF SINS - (You are still in your sins if you are not baptized in the NAME of the LORD JESUS CHRIST for no other Name is given whereby we must be saved), “AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST”.
GOD IS CALLING ON YOU TODAY, SINCERE CHRISTIAN, to be restored back to the original faith that was once delivered to the saints. As Romans 8:30 says, “Whom He did predestinate, them He also CALLED: and whom He called, then He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified.”
If you are God’s predestinated seed, you will recognize this Message to be the Truth. And you will not wait long until you are baptized in the NAME of the LORD JESUS CHRIST. Get right with God now while mercy and grace is upon your reach. “Obedience is better than sacrifice” (1 Samuel 15:22).
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HISTORICAL FACTS AND RECORDS [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]BRITANNICA ENCYCLOPEDIA - "Everywhere in the oldest sources, it states that baptism took place in the Name of Jesus Christ." (11th Edition/Vol.3/p.82) [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]CANNY ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION - "The Early Church always baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus until the development of the Trinity Doctrine in the 3rd Century." (Pp. 53). [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]HASTINGS ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION - "Christian Baptism was administered using the words "In the Name of Jesus". The use of a Trinity formula of any sort was not suggested in the early church history. Baptism was always in the Name of the Lord Jesus until the time of Justin Maryr when triune formula was used." (Volume 2/PP. 377-378.)[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]CANNY ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION - "The Early Church always baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus until the development of the Trinity Doctrine in the 3rd Century." (Pp. 53). [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]HASTINGS ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION - "Christian Baptism was administered using the words "In the Name of Jesus". The use of a Trinity formula of any sort was not suggested in the early church history. Baptism was always in the Name of the Lord Jesus until the time of Justin Maryr when triune formula was used." (Volume 2/PP. 377-378.)[/FONT]
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amen did you know recently in a church in barbados the pastor was actually calling people to be rebaptised because hew as saying people got baptised in jesus name but your're suppose to be baptised in the name of the father the son and the holy spirit.. i was pretty shock and didn't know what to say when i saw that
Yes but I changed it back... I guess the first change was all the different ideas of what the essential to salvation is, that infiltrated my mind. Especially the passage that says Believe and be baptized and you will be saved, believe not and be damned. That can be confusing. It kind of says in one understanding that Belief is the only essential. But then why would you get baptized if you didn't believe in the first place? And then you begin to understand (you get wisdom) by hearing the Word over and over what the purpose of baptizing is in conjunction with belief. They go together and although alot of believers never get a chance to be baptized after there belief, that's for God to worry about. But it's our responsibility as God's people to do this baptizem to the believer when ever possible.