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Is there anybody who believes in "universal reconciliation"???
Is it so bad to say that God will forgive everybody, everybody including our grand fathers and grand mothers, pregnant women, children who did not accept Jesus Christ?
Some says lake of fire is literal burning hell, some says permanent absence from God.
How many of u are forgetting that it is not us who chose this life. it is God's decision to create us, dont u think God is accountable (not responsible) for whatever we do?? We did not ask him to create us like this. Why did he not give us a godly nature. Why did he put "testosterone and oestrogen" inside us for us to lust.
Why don't Christians believe when the bible says all will be saved???? Why don't we understand that people sin because they are ignorant. Jesus understood that. Why can't we when we read the bible?
Lk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
How many of us have forgiven someone because of their ignorance. Are we trying to compare God's love with mortal's love.
Is it so bad to say that God will forgive everybody, everybody including our grand fathers and grand mothers, pregnant women, children who did not accept Jesus Christ?
Some says lake of fire is literal burning hell, some says permanent absence from God.
How many of u are forgetting that it is not us who chose this life. it is God's decision to create us, dont u think God is accountable (not responsible) for whatever we do?? We did not ask him to create us like this. Why did he not give us a godly nature. Why did he put "testosterone and oestrogen" inside us for us to lust.
Why don't Christians believe when the bible says all will be saved???? Why don't we understand that people sin because they are ignorant. Jesus understood that. Why can't we when we read the bible?
Lk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
How many of us have forgiven someone because of their ignorance. Are we trying to compare God's love with mortal's love.
Destruction of the soul and body denotes being cast into hell, not annihilation. Luke 12:4-5 is a parallel passage: "And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him" (Luke 12:4-5).
Hmmm, add to that Mat 10:28 and if you destroy body and soul, what's left? Ashes...
Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
I don't subscribe to fairy tales. I believe in eternal conscious torment which the bible prescribes.
The wrath of God awaits the wicked.
John 3:36 "...and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him".
2 Thess 1:8-9 "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power".
Acts 17:30-31
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
The wrath of God awaits the wicked.
John 3:36 "...and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him".
2 Thess 1:8-9 "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power".
Acts 17:30-31
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Jesus offered a parable about hell. Considering a parable is a principled truth that parallels another. I concur hell is a real place.
Luke 16:
[h=3]The Rich Man and Lazarus[/h]19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell[d] from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”
Luke 16:
[h=3]The Rich Man and Lazarus[/h]19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell[d] from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”
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Yep. Bible is full of it in places that are read and taught as something else.
God is drawing out a son and a collective virgin from all the people He created.
These are the ones that realize it and allow Him to force the issue. They make or take part in a sacrifice to do so.
Jesus knew how to call dibs on being that Son.
An certain number will know how to call dibs on bride.
An open ended number will know how to call dibs on children of the bridechamber.
Those who don't know how will not have wanted to in the first place, and won't be lacking.
He'll be satisfied, so it's only right that everyone is.
Every person ever born against their will is turning out to be exactly what God wanted them to be, lacking only one thing, to actually see Him and become thankful, sinless and at peace.
A few will learn to appreciate Him in a special way.
God is drawing out a son and a collective virgin from all the people He created.
These are the ones that realize it and allow Him to force the issue. They make or take part in a sacrifice to do so.
Jesus knew how to call dibs on being that Son.
An certain number will know how to call dibs on bride.
An open ended number will know how to call dibs on children of the bridechamber.
Those who don't know how will not have wanted to in the first place, and won't be lacking.
He'll be satisfied, so it's only right that everyone is.
Every person ever born against their will is turning out to be exactly what God wanted them to be, lacking only one thing, to actually see Him and become thankful, sinless and at peace.
A few will learn to appreciate Him in a special way.
Annihilationism is a deceitful heresy crafted by Satan himself. You need to dump this doctrine, Sir.
1. Malachi 4 is not a reference to the eternal punishment in the lake of fire.
2. Do you see cessation of existence here: Revelation 20:10 (KJV) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
1. Malachi 4 is not a reference to the eternal punishment in the lake of fire.
2. Do you see cessation of existence here: Revelation 20:10 (KJV) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
If you want a clearer understanding of Hell, I suggest you read the whole Bible, not just sections and then let non Christians fill in the blanks for you. It's clear that the eternal punishment is post White Throne Judgement. It comes at the end of Revelations. As far as questioning the goodness of God I don't feel fit. If He wants to adopt a bunch of worthless sandsculptures and give us eternal rewards for following Jesus and making Him our Lord, who am I to question what He decides to do with them who deny Him? It's not like He didn't warn anybody. People decide to follow gods of their own choosing; wealth, beauty, sex, power. One day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. I do however thank you for the link. It was a good reminder that I should be witnessing to more people. I sure don't want any to say to me at the judgement, "You knew and you never told me?" I really hope nobody is buying the heretical rant in the link. All of it is easily refuted but to address each point would take too much time and this is long enough already.
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The article is written by a universalist. I'm not asking you guys to believe it because I don't.
However, by taking points from it and discussing it we can pain a legitimate picture that turns annihilationism from being "unbiblical" to "highly plausible". I am personally more inclined now to believe that the "second death" is destruction of the soul as Jesus claimed God had the power to do. In the Bible, the soul is differentiated from the Spirit as being our intelligence, willpower and consciousness.
Keeping in mind, this isn't a dangerous thing to discuss. You could go your whole life not even believing in hell, but believing in Jesus and it won't matter because hell would never have to be a reality for you.
We have to understand that the afterlife is purely in the realm of speculation.
Our concept of Hell was a pagan tradition thrown in by England on the translation of the Bible. I know this makes you uncomfortable because it is factual and to not ignore it would mean that your foundations of firey torment to get people to believe may actually be questionable.
There's nothing wrong with believing in hell, but the concept was made by pagans, and every word in the Bible mentioning hell was either Sheol, Hades or Gehenna.
I don't think anyone will ever have the answer in this life, and I'm not comfortable to simply accept eternal damnation when the only reason people are screaming heresy is simply because that's what they were taught in Sunday school. Paul never preached hell once. Hmmm...
Look. Eternal hellfire torment is possible. It is.
So is the souls being destroyed. We just don't know. I am inclined to think the wages of sin will be death as the Bible says, for those who don't believe. That's just me though. The Bible uses words like "Eternal destruction" interchangeably but it does begin to read the same way for me.
This isn't a make or break it matter so I'm not trying to convince you guys of anything. There's nothing wrong with believing hellfire or annihilation, because again, it will never apply to us.
However, by taking points from it and discussing it we can pain a legitimate picture that turns annihilationism from being "unbiblical" to "highly plausible". I am personally more inclined now to believe that the "second death" is destruction of the soul as Jesus claimed God had the power to do. In the Bible, the soul is differentiated from the Spirit as being our intelligence, willpower and consciousness.
Keeping in mind, this isn't a dangerous thing to discuss. You could go your whole life not even believing in hell, but believing in Jesus and it won't matter because hell would never have to be a reality for you.
We have to understand that the afterlife is purely in the realm of speculation.
Our concept of Hell was a pagan tradition thrown in by England on the translation of the Bible. I know this makes you uncomfortable because it is factual and to not ignore it would mean that your foundations of firey torment to get people to believe may actually be questionable.
There's nothing wrong with believing in hell, but the concept was made by pagans, and every word in the Bible mentioning hell was either Sheol, Hades or Gehenna.
I don't think anyone will ever have the answer in this life, and I'm not comfortable to simply accept eternal damnation when the only reason people are screaming heresy is simply because that's what they were taught in Sunday school. Paul never preached hell once. Hmmm...
Look. Eternal hellfire torment is possible. It is.
So is the souls being destroyed. We just don't know. I am inclined to think the wages of sin will be death as the Bible says, for those who don't believe. That's just me though. The Bible uses words like "Eternal destruction" interchangeably but it does begin to read the same way for me.
This isn't a make or break it matter so I'm not trying to convince you guys of anything. There's nothing wrong with believing hellfire or annihilation, because again, it will never apply to us.
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Why is it that out of all religions, Christianity is the only one I can come into a forum with SPECULATION and 5 posts affirming my SPECULATION, and as sure as the cows come home tomorrow I am being accused of false DOCTRINE.
I cannot "drop" this doctrine because I never "picked it up" in the first place.
I cannot "drop" this doctrine because I never "picked it up" in the first place.
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Revelation 20:10 (KJV) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Just a thought.
*Again I am NOT trying to prove this wrong. I'm going to make it clear in every post I make that this is speculation because each of you have an uncontrollably and impulsive urge to take everything I say as me claiming this to be fact. This is NOT fact. This is my speculation, and my exploration of the possible meanings of the Word.*
Just a thought.
*Again I am NOT trying to prove this wrong. I'm going to make it clear in every post I make that this is speculation because each of you have an uncontrollably and impulsive urge to take everything I say as me claiming this to be fact. This is NOT fact. This is my speculation, and my exploration of the possible meanings of the Word.*
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I can see how angry u are towards ur enemies.
Do u have any idea abt the word "eternal"??? If not u have to read abt language. The greek word used is "aionios" which means an age, not "forever". There is nothing like, "eternity, forever, eternal" in the Greek bible. The scripture contain no term which in itself bears our time sense of everlasting. Its a latin word which was formed long after the bible was canonized.
For more info u can read ALEXANDER THOMSON: Whence "Eternity"? or Eonion Life, Not Eternal Life
So the punishment that the sinners are going to get is not "eternal" but for an "age". We get eonian life, but it will last forever because we are going to be resurrected into immortality. Eon is an age which has a beginning and an end. See how badly KJV has translated
1C 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world(eons) are come.
Yeah that is true, those who do not accept Jesus Christ will not have life in the kingdom of God. But where does the bible says that the ones who does not have part in the kingdom of God will not be saved. The millennium years of Jesus Christ is said to be the kingdom of God. Of course the chosen few will resurrect for it
Re 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Only the chosen few has life in the kingdom of God. From generations Jews were waiting for that kingdom only. But just because they denied Jesus Christ they are not going to be a part of it. How sad it is....but that's the truth. But that doesn't mean they will be burning in fire
It is not man himself who is going to burn, but his works. See what Paul says
1C 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
The fire is not a literal firePs 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire: (Heb 1:7)
Hb 12:29 For our God [is] a consuming fire
Is god a literal consuming fire, is his ministers a literal flaming fire? It is the spiritual fire ued for the sinners to come out of their sins, to purge and purify them. God has a purpose in doing that. You do not believe "GOD SI ALL IN ALL". Do you?
1C 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him (not some in burning fire and some in heaven), then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all
My husband says all those who preach literal burning hell should take a lighter and keep it on the smallest finger for 10seconds. In what authority do they preach that? How sure are they abt entering the kingdom of God. How can they juge themselves and prove they are godly and righteous. our righteousness are like "nothing" infront of God.
Isa 64:6 ...and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Do u have any idea abt the word "eternal"??? If not u have to read abt language. The greek word used is "aionios" which means an age, not "forever". There is nothing like, "eternity, forever, eternal" in the Greek bible. The scripture contain no term which in itself bears our time sense of everlasting. Its a latin word which was formed long after the bible was canonized.
For more info u can read ALEXANDER THOMSON: Whence "Eternity"? or Eonion Life, Not Eternal Life
So the punishment that the sinners are going to get is not "eternal" but for an "age". We get eonian life, but it will last forever because we are going to be resurrected into immortality. Eon is an age which has a beginning and an end. See how badly KJV has translated
1C 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world(eons) are come.
Yeah that is true, those who do not accept Jesus Christ will not have life in the kingdom of God. But where does the bible says that the ones who does not have part in the kingdom of God will not be saved. The millennium years of Jesus Christ is said to be the kingdom of God. Of course the chosen few will resurrect for it
Re 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Only the chosen few has life in the kingdom of God. From generations Jews were waiting for that kingdom only. But just because they denied Jesus Christ they are not going to be a part of it. How sad it is....but that's the truth. But that doesn't mean they will be burning in fire
It is not man himself who is going to burn, but his works. See what Paul says
1C 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
The fire is not a literal firePs 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire: (Heb 1:7)
Hb 12:29 For our God [is] a consuming fire
Is god a literal consuming fire, is his ministers a literal flaming fire? It is the spiritual fire ued for the sinners to come out of their sins, to purge and purify them. God has a purpose in doing that. You do not believe "GOD SI ALL IN ALL". Do you?
1C 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him (not some in burning fire and some in heaven), then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all
My husband says all those who preach literal burning hell should take a lighter and keep it on the smallest finger for 10seconds. In what authority do they preach that? How sure are they abt entering the kingdom of God. How can they juge themselves and prove they are godly and righteous. our righteousness are like "nothing" infront of God.
Isa 64:6 ...and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
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The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
I found this interesting as well.
God cast Adam out of the Garden... why? The Bible says to stop man from partaking of the Tree of Life, otherwise he would then live forever. This implies that by God kicking man out of the Garden, He was doing them a favor so that they wouldn't live forever in torment from their sin.
The Greek word aionios does mean without beginning and without end though. So that verse you mentioned strikes me, I should look into it. I think there is a lot of evidence on both accounts lol.
I found this interesting as well.
God cast Adam out of the Garden... why? The Bible says to stop man from partaking of the Tree of Life, otherwise he would then live forever. This implies that by God kicking man out of the Garden, He was doing them a favor so that they wouldn't live forever in torment from their sin.
The Greek word aionios does mean without beginning and without end though. So that verse you mentioned strikes me, I should look into it. I think there is a lot of evidence on both accounts lol.
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Not sure. But I know that though is not entirely accurate .
Genesis 3:22
King James Version (KJV)
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
I was under the impression from how it reads here, that they did take of the Tree of Life... Regardless ,
I do know that the Tree of Life is the Savior , who can give eternal life.
Christ would come from Adam and Eve. Whatever the case, it was not time yet. But the situation was set forth because of Satan.
Everyone who wants to overcome death, eventually will have to take of those living waters that flow from the Tree of Life.
( Revelation 22: )
Physically speaking, Adam and Eve would die. God told them they would if they took of Satan. But Satan said they would not die. But that was a lie. Adam made it at least close to a thousand years, but not quite. Eve also, and died.
Who eventually would allow people to live forever would be that Tree of Life, who would eventually arrive through Marry .
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The bible has plenty of verses that say everyone comes out in the end. <the good news
But they are ignored or reasoned away because people want
to see their enemies get the crap punished out of them forever. <another news that some have not "heard"[SUP]
25 [/SUP]And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of YHWH that was broken down.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of YHWH came, saying, Israel shall be thy name:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And with the stones he built an altar in the name of YHWH: and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid him on the wood, and said, Fill four barrels with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice, and on the wood.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]And he said, Do it the second time. And they did it the second time. And he said, Do it the third time. And they did it the third time.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And the water ran round about the altar; and he filled the trench also with water.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, YHWH God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Hear me, O YHWH, hear me, that this people may know that thou art YHWH God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then the fire of YHWH fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, YHWH, he is the God; YHWH, he is the God.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. (pre-trib rapturology) And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.
But they are ignored or reasoned away because people want
to see their enemies get the crap punished out of them forever. <another news that some have not "heard"[SUP]
25 [/SUP]And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of YHWH that was broken down.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of YHWH came, saying, Israel shall be thy name:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And with the stones he built an altar in the name of YHWH: and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid him on the wood, and said, Fill four barrels with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice, and on the wood.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]And he said, Do it the second time. And they did it the second time. And he said, Do it the third time. And they did it the third time.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And the water ran round about the altar; and he filled the trench also with water.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, YHWH God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Hear me, O YHWH, hear me, that this people may know that thou art YHWH God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then the fire of YHWH fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, YHWH, he is the God; YHWH, he is the God.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. (pre-trib rapturology) And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.