Difference between God and Jesus

[GreenNnice]

Why can't Jesus also be the one true GOD? Your soul is greater than your body isn't it? Yet they are both you.

I think, it's important to be sensitive to silas, I've had other people come on here and just lambast and rip apart those who see Jesus is God. And, like I said, I can empathize with brothersile because I all growing up always think I thought of Jesus as different than God, I'm not sure if that's what the Nazarene church taught me, but I was just not ready for 'meat' until I was around 42, and, then, I started to get into The Word, and, I thank God for it, all Him, all His glory

The Christian brothers and sisters have spoken Truth to silas, that's the Spirit's leading, brothercee and brotherBC, and, brotherphilly


But, I want to say the exact verse of the greater than I :

"You heard that I said to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I,'"

Remember, Scripture says that Jesus was made a little lower than the angels for a little while (Hebrews 2), a man, a lower position. Hopefully, this makes some sense, brothersile So, yes, of
course, Jesus was not as great as God. He was a man on Earth as much as He was God, He SUBJECTED Himself to ridicule, abuse, and, all the range of humanity that humans have. "Jesus wept," you'll remember.

This further proves, to me, anyway, that God manifested Himself as a new name we finally get in the chapters of Luke, etc., the precious name of "Jesus," which, not so coincidentally means, "Immanuel," which, not so coincidentally means, "God with us." So, this man, Jesus, was on Earth as a human--in like image of us, in every way, but sin--to show us The Way Home to the Father. Jesus was showing us the way Home to Himself.

 

[silas42]

I think, it's important to be sensitive to silas, I've had other people come on here and just lambast and rip apart those who see Jesus is God. And, like I said, I can empathize with brothersile because I all growing up always think I thought of Jesus as different than God, I'm not sure if that's what the Nazarene church taught me, but I was just not ready for 'meat' until I was around 42, and, then, I started to get into The Word, and, I thank God for it, all Him, all His glory

I am touched by your obvious humility Green Ice

 

[Quickfire]

Knowing what you believe is not an academic exercise, it is knowing your Lord and saviour. And if you read your bible you cannot miss the fact that Jesus is God. Secondly, You will certainly want to Know who God is, atleast as far as we can, as God has revealed.

There are a couple of other points:

1) Any preacher worth his calling will teach what the scripture says about God (that he is triune)
2) A preacher who teaches anything different is not teaching about the God of scripture
3)Anyone who denies who Jesus is, can hardly be called an heir with Christ, However as I have already said, some may not know to start with, but hey cannot continue to hold that view, for t is blasphemy.

The trinity is a primary teaching of scripture about God, its a non negotiable, the true church has always held to it, and still does and always will.

God can and will call his people out even if in false belief. With a heartfelt BELIF IN JESUS

P.s it is theological it should impact your whole life.

have you read anything here there has been 3 diffrent threads about this over the last week all with very valid points as to why people may have lack of understanding to the trinity how can you still stand by your condemnation of people who dont see things the way you do. its ok though im not going to tell you have no heart or condemn you to hell like you have me and others,
you realy need stop this behavior and stop being insultive

 

[silas42]

have you read anything here there has been 3 diffrent threads about this over the last week all with very valid points as to why people may have lack of understanding to the trinity how can you still stand by your condemnation of people who dont see things the way you do. its ok though im not going to tell you have no heart or condemn you to hell like you have me and others,
you realy need stop this behavior and stop being insultive

They condemn because they in their hearts are proud of what they think they know. They are here, wanting to be seen as teachers, guiding lights to the simple(though false words of humility will be given) They believe they know what they know through their own hard work of studying, and discernment of their natural minds.
No one led of the Holy Spirit could ever condemn anyone for standing on the words of Christ, it's just not possible

 

[phil36]

have you read anything here there has been 3 diffrent threads about this over the last week all with very valid points as to why people may have lack of understanding to the trinity how can you still stand by your condemnation of people who dont see things the way you do. its ok though im not going to tell you have no heart or condemn you to hell like you have me and others,
you realy need stop this behavior and stop being insultive

I certainly have read the posts quickfire.

And I do understand different reasons why, of course I do. However, this does not lesson the fact that false teaching needs to be corrected.. As I have already said, we are to proclaim the truth, we are to defend the truth and we are to contend for the truth. The truth often offends those who don't truly believe it. and the truth is an insult to many!!!

I am not going to agree with false teaching Quickfire so that I can come across as friendly and loving, that in itself is a false love. Not telling someone the truth is unloving, because it is their soul at stake.

 

[cfultz3]

Even Satan stood on Scripture and he was shown his folly of misinterpretation by Jesus, the Word, the Creator Himself. Just when does delving deep into God's written word become something to look down upon? I just recently gave 15-20 verses to someone without mentioning of their location and it was said that it was my opinion, although they were verses. I then ask the person to go and see if they were just my opinion, and I think that person said again that they were my opinion. Wonder if that person ever went to God's word and searched to make sure I was not just giving my opinion?

Just as Jesus knew the written word, I think we should know it also so that we know the Truth.

 

[Bryancampbell]

I certainly have read the posts quickfire.

And I do understand different reasons why, of course I do. However, this does not lesson the fact that false teaching needs to be corrected.. As I have already said, we are to proclaim the truth, we are to defend the truth and we are to contend for the truth. The truth often offends those who don't truly believe it. and the truth is an insult to many!!!

I am not going to agree with false teaching Quickfire so that I can come across as friendly and loving, that in itself is a false love. Not telling someone the truth is unloving, because it is their soul at stake.

Exactly, this isn't cotton candy teaching, we need to make sure the real meal is being served. This is study, through fellowship, and we do get a lot of disagreement in threads, that's why we discuss. It's not condemning people, otherwise if any of you guys view it as that, you don't understand what real biblical discussion is...

 

[silas42]

Exactly, this isn't cotton candy teaching, we need to make sure the real meal is being served. This is study, through fellowship, and we do get a lot of disagreement in threads, that's why we discuss. It's not condemning people, otherwise if any of you guys view it as that, you don't understand what real biblical discussion is...

Anyone who denies who Jesus is(God Himself) can hardly be called an heir with Christ, However as I have already said, some may not know to start with, but hey cannot continue to hold that view, for t is blasphemy.

The trinity is a primary teaching of scripture about God, its a non negotiable, the true church has always held to it, and still does and always will.


You do not call the above judging and condemning?

 

[Quickfire]

I certainly have read the posts quickfire.

And I do understand different reasons why, of course I do. However, this does not lesson the fact that false teaching needs to be corrected.. As I have already said, we are to proclaim the truth, we are to defend the truth and we are to contend for the truth. The truth often offends those who don't truly believe it. and the truth is an insult to many!!!

I am not going to agree with false teaching Quickfire so that I can come across as friendly and loving, that in itself is a false love. Not telling someone the truth is unloving, because it is their soul at stake.

your so caught up in your way of thinking that you can not see. what it is that me and others have been trying to tell you, you keep saying that the truth is an insult to many me and sila are not insulted by you proclaiming that JESUS is GOD just your condemnation of people who do not fully understand the trinity.

 

[silas42]

I certainly have read the posts quickfire.

And I do understand different reasons why, of course I do. However, this does not lesson the fact that false teaching needs to be corrected.. As I have already said, we are to proclaim the truth, we are to defend the truth and we are to contend for the truth. The truth often offends those who don't truly believe it. and the truth is an insult to many!!!

I am not going to agree with false teaching Quickfire so that I can come across as friendly and loving, that in itself is a false love. Not telling someone the truth is unloving, because it is their soul at stake.

Why not just be honest Phil. You believe a person will stand condemned for believing what Christ plainly stated when he walked this earth.

For you don't believe I can be a Christian for I believe the Father is the one true God and greater than the Son.

Being led of your natural mind has placed you in as terrible position and sheer folly, but you are blind to seeing it
But as I keep pointing out, you are in a tiny minority in Christendom

 

[Bryancampbell]

Anyone who denies who Jesus is(God Himself) can hardly be called an heir with Christ, However as I have already said, some may not know to start with, but hey cannot continue to hold that view, for t is blasphemy.

The trinity is a primary teaching of scripture about God, its a non negotiable, the true church has always held to it, and still does and always will.


You do not call the above judging and condemning?

I don't see the accusation? All I see is if the person doesn't believe in what they say, they aren't saved. Not "You're a heathen who will burn in hell for not believing" directly pointing at the person.

If I said if you don't believe in Jesus, heaven isn't going to be knocking on your door. Is that condemnation or truth? Some even use opinion without pointing fingers.

 

[silas42]

I don't see the accusation? All I see is if the person doesn't believe in what they say, they aren't saved. Not "You're a heathen who will burn in hell for not believing" directly pointing at the person.

If I said if you don't believe in Jesus, heaven isn't going to be knocking on your door. Is that condemnation or truth? Some even use opinion without pointing fingers.

If a person believes another is not saved, they obviously don't believe they will go to Heaven, is there a third way or must they then spend eternity in hell?

 

[Bryancampbell]

If a person believes another is not saved, they obviously don't believe they will go to Heaven, is there a third way or must they then spend eternity in hell?

There is only one way to heaven, and saying another person isn't saved is condemnation. But openly telling your belief isn't in pretty much most ways. Otherwise your condemning unbelievers.

If I say you must believe Jesus is the Son of God, who died on the cross for your redemption and resurrected for your justification, all through faith, you're saved, but if you don't, your not saved.

Tell me did I just condemn the whole world by that statement? Or did the truth?

 

[silas42]

Even Satan stood on Scripture and he was shown his folly of misinterpretation by Jesus, the Word, the Creator Himself. Just when does delving deep into God's written word become something to look down upon? I just recently gave 15-20 verses to someone without mentioning of their location and it was said that it was my opinion, although they were verses. I then ask the person to go and see if they were just my opinion, and I think that person said again that they were my opinion. Wonder if that person ever went to God's word and searched to make sure I was not just giving my opinion?

Just as Jesus knew the written word, I think we should know it also so that we know the Truth.

The Pharisees knew the literal word, they knew it better than the ordinary folk, but they condemned the innocent. They'd studied, no one had studied more than them, they must have spent huge amounts of time studying, don't you think?

 

[phil36]

your so caught up in your way of thinking that you can not see. what it is that me and others have been trying to tell you, you keep saying that the truth is an insult to many me and sila are not insulted by you proclaiming that JESUS is GOD just your condemnation of people who do not fully understand the trinity.

That's not true, its not those who 'don't fully understand the trinity' aswell you know quickfire . No one fully understands the trinity, but we cAn understand what God has revealed. Now the there is a huge difference between those not fully understanding and those who plainly teach a false Jesus. Jesus is both fully God and fully man, the second person of the trinity.


If you deny who Jesus is AND teach it then you are not an heir with Christ, God still maybe calling you, but he will deliver you from a false belief.

Again. we are to proclaim the truth, we are to defend the truth, and we are to contend the faith - and in doing so we will offend and insult the ears of the world. But it is only the truth of who Jesus is and what he has done that will save.



Those who deny and teach falsely need to be brought to account,

 

[Quickfire]

well i would not like to be your pupil that's for sure phil, maybe i would if you where not tryng to be God your righteousness has gone to your head,

 

[silas42]

well i would not like to be your pupil that's for sure phil, maybe i would if you where not tryng to be God your righteousness has gone to your head,

People can use words to make themselves look humble and saintly, and they pretend they are fearlessly standing on the side of truth and speaking in love, and they will deceive many
For when these people are condemning others for believing the words Christ stated on this earth no one should be fooled by their falseness, it is oh so dangerous, and could not be Holy Spirit led

 

[Bryancampbell]

Phil, we got division, things will straighten out in His coming trust me. Oneness, Modelism, Unitarianism, etc will end.

 

[cfultz3]

The Pharisees knew the literal word, they knew it better than the ordinary folk, but they condemned the innocent. They'd studied, no one had studied more than them, they must have spent huge amounts of time studying, don't you think?

But, your argument is that you stand on the written Word of God and quote its verses. -- that is good

Now, I gave you 15-20 verses without writing their location and asked that you go and search and see if what I said was my opinion or if I were also using Scripture.

Yet, I am still waiting to see what you say.

Now, here we are saying the Pharisees knew the literal word and they condemned the innocent. Yet, you demand of me to write the book, chapter, and verse of what I am quoting because you yourself used that same method.

What will you have of me: to write the book, chapter, verse? If I do, would I not be considered a Pharisee, although you do the same?

So, I tell you what, you are free to use your method and I am free to use my method. Either way, it can be said by another concerning either of us: that we are twisting the verses when they do not approve of what they hear. Do you know what I mean: it is one of those dang if I do and dang if I don't?

But, as concerning knowing the Scripture to much: I am sure happy Jesus knew them and used them against Satan. And, I am glad God has given to us a method to defeat Satan and his attacks. Did you know of the little gem in Scripture which tells us that the one who seeks Wisdom will find it and that the one who hearkens to its Voice will know the Truth?

 

[silas42]

Did you know of the little gem in Scripture which tells us that the one who seeks Wisdom will find it and that the one who hearkens to its Voice will know the Truth?

I have read of what Christ said, so heard his voice so to speak

The Father is the one true God and greater than he, you believe I cannot be saved having that belief. Who's voice are you listening to to believe that?