Difference between God and Jesus

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sensible

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hi friend , read it carefully , the Word is God , right , and the Word manifest in flesh , it means that God is a spirit and he manifest in flesh ; that what it means ; God came unto flesh (Jesus ) to proove humans that their is a God , and to show examples how to walk , and he came to die to save us . There is no trinity because father , son , and spirit is one person .
father , son , and spirit are just titles . JESUS raise and have everlasting life , because the spirit dwell inside of him , the spirit of GOD is EVERYWHERE , at that moment the spirit was is heaven , it was in the humans , it was in Jesus , i hope u understand , i hope u see more clear ; read the book of matthew u will understand , bye
 
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silas42

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sensible said:
hi friend , read it carefully , the Word is God , right , and the Word manifest in flesh , it means that God is a spirit and he manifest in flesh ; that what it means ; God came unto flesh (Jesus ) to proove humans that their is a God , and to show examples how to walk , and he came to die to save us . There is no trinity because father , son , and spirit is one person .
father , son , and spirit are just titles . JESUS raise and have everlasting life , because the spirit dwell inside of him , the spirit of GOD is EVERYWHERE , at that moment the spirit was is heaven , it was in the humans , it was in Jesus , i hope u understand , i hope u see more clear ; read the book of matthew u will understand , bye
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It isn't my intention to trouble young people with what I write, only to defend the truth of salvational belief as to who Christ must be believed to be in the face of condemnation from some. I am sure you are most sincere, and the difference here is not in the nature of Christ but his title, God Bless, I will leave it there with you
 
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silas42

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You know, some of you want to allow yourselves to be led of the Holy Spirit in your thinking and not your natural minds. You have obviously made a god in your lives out of what I can only refer to as 'clinical doctrine' It is cold, unloving, unfeeling.
Your god appears to be straining and striving to understand 'theology' that frankly robs you of the very heart of Christianity when you take it too far, it dominates your lives
I will once again repeat, the ministers don't make your demands from the pulpit, the bible does not make your demands that you want to discuss with me, the vast majority of Christendom would not agree with you either, but you have been consumed with the letter of your doctrinal demands, demands few ever make. Do you think if you live the majority of your lives in cyberspace simply discussing theology you will learn greatly of what truly matters?
The Holy Spirit leads into truth, not the natural mind of man, and those who depend on their natural minds to learn as some of you do, will never see clearly, it's impossible, and the Holy Spirit would never contradict the plain words of words of Christ on salvational belief, anyone who believes otherwise is lost in their theologies, some of you need to wake up to the spiritual reality, not your theologies of the mind of man, the two are incompatible
 
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sensible

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u are wrong , there is no trinity , " father , son , spirit " are just titles of God. There is only one GOD who has different roles
God manifest himself into flesh (JESUS) , that is the son ,so its just a title ,
it is the same thing for the spirit, GOD who is the father of all the humans put his spirit into his children
in the bible it say " if u know the son u also know the father " which means its the same person
in mathew , baptize them in the name of the father , the son and the holy spirit , there is no " S" in the word " name "
its a mystery , u have to concentrate on it , the name of all three titles is JESUS . and when it say that the son is sit next to the right hand , it means the right hand of God have power , because u call the Name JESUS to help u ; and the hand with powers help u
 
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cfultz3

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silas42 said:
As I thought, you have no scripture that opposes my plain scripture, only your personal thoughts and conclusions, they are fallible, the plain word is not
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Before you speak foolishly, I would advice you to do a little search in your bible software to see if I am or not writing from the Scriptures. This is not a contest to win, but, you stand accusing without a base and that pointless foolishness is by your own unwillingness to at least be a good student. I will give you a hint on that search: Angel + Lord. There is also a verse which says that the Father sent this Messenger with a final message. It is also written that this same Word is our Creator.
 
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cfultz3

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silas42 said:
You know, some of you want to allow yourselves to be led of the Holy Spirit in your thinking and not your natural minds. You have obviously made a god in your lives out of what I can only refer to as 'clinical doctrine' It is cold, unloving, unfeeling.
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Now we must defend the indwelling Holy Spirit as "a clinical doctrine which is cold, unloving, and unfeeling".....Are you sure you wish to go here?

P.S. Though in most cases I would delete a reply if someone deletes their original post, but this time, I will not.
 
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Before you speak foolishly, I would advice you to do a little search in your bible software to see if I am or not writing from the Scriptures. This is not a contest to win, but, you stand accusing without a base and that pointless foolishness is by your own unwillingness to at least be a good student. I will give you a hint on that search: Angel + Lord. There is also a verse which says that the Father sent this Messenger with a final message. It is also written that this same Word is our Creator.
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I'm doing the accusing????
You may give all the hints you like from your theological studies, but they won't change the plain word, that stands steadfast.
 
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cfultz3

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I'm doing the accusing????
You may give all the hints you like from your theological studies, but they won't change the plain word, that stands steadfast.
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So, did you go yourself and search Scripture and see if I was making opinion?
 
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silas42

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cfultz3 said:
Now we must defend the indwelling Holy Spirit as "a clinical doctrine which is cold, unloving, and unfeeling".....Are you sure you wish to go here?
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So here come the lies and distortions, I guess as you have nowhere else to go this all you can do. It is not following the Holy Spirit's teaching that kis clinical, unloving doctrine, you are I am sure aware that is not what I wrote, but following your own natural minds and making a god out of theological thinking devoid of the Holy Spirit's leading

Below is what I wrote, try and be a little honest in your posts to me

You know, some of you want to allow yourselves to be led of the Holy Spirit in your thinking and not your natural minds. You have obviously made a god in your lives out of what I can only refer to as 'clinical doctrine' It is cold, unloving, unfeeling.
 
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cfultz3

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So here come the lies and distortions, I guess as you have nowhere else to go this all you can do. It is not following the Holy Spirit's teaching that kis clinical, unloving doctrine, you are I am sure aware that is not what I wrote, but following your own natural minds and making a god out of theological thinking devoid of the Holy Spirit's leading

Below is what I wrote, try and be a little honest in your posts to me

You know, some of you want to allow yourselves to be led of the Holy Spirit in your thinking and not your natural minds. You have obviously made a god in your lives out of what I can only refer to as 'clinical doctrine' It is cold, unloving, unfeeling.
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Originally Posted by silas42


You know, some of you want to allow yourselves to be led of the Holy Spirit in your thinking and not your natural minds. You have obviously made a god in your lives out of what I can only refer to as 'clinical doctrine' It is cold, unloving, unfeeling.
 
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sensible

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i don't catch what u mean to say :confused:
 
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cfultz3

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Silos,

If you think that the leading of the Holy Spirit is as follows (copy and paste):
You know, some of you want to allow yourselves to be led of the Holy Spirit in your thinking and not your natural minds. You have obviously made a god in your lives out of what I can only refer to as 'clinical doctrine' It is cold, unloving, unfeeling.
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Then there is no way to convince you concerning Jesus. You will first have to fix this problem before you can understand anything else, seeing that it is by the Spirit of Truth that we learn Truth.
 
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silas42

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cfultz3 said:
Originally Posted by silas42


You know, some of you want to allow yourselves to be led of the Holy Spirit in your thinking and not your natural minds. You have obviously made a god in your lives out of what I can only refer to as 'clinical doctrine' It is cold, unloving, unfeeling.
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Absolutely, and I have just requoted it. If you are not led of the Holy Spirit in your thinking, but rely on your natural minds, the result is or will often be as described, absolutely, thanks for reposting it
 
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cfultz3

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Absolutely, and I have just requoted it. If you are not led of the Holy Spirit in your thinking, but rely on your natural minds, the result is or will often be as described, absolutely, thanks for reposting it
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Come now, you did not say that, you said:

You know, some of you want to allow yourselves to be led of the Holy Spirit in your thinking and not your natural minds
 
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silas42

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cfultz3 said:
Come now, you did not say that, you said:

You know, some of you want to allow yourselves to be led of the Holy Spirit in your thinking and not your natural minds
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Absolutely, which obviously means they are not being led of the Holy Spirit, but their natural minds. You are so desperate aren't you, you really are, you have no scriptural responses to make so out come the lies and deliberate distortions of what I write.
Do you think that is a good example of Christianity?
It seems that your pride has been hurt and you are simply reacting to that. This is a problem of making a god out of theological doctrine not led, or reliant on the Holy Spirit and trying to show yourself as an authority on scripture before your peers here
 
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cfultz3

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Silas,

I will let your own words speak for themselves.
 
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GreenNnice

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Hi Bryan

The problem is here, none of my points are being responded to. Yet I am continually being asked questions. It isn't hard to respond to the questions, but I'm not going down the road of all my questions being ignored, and I'm just expected to respond to others. Neither am I prepared to be deflected from the only thing I am debating, who a person must believe Christ to be to inherit eternal life. And on that point I have given plain scripture to support my view, it is only correct I ask others to do the same concerning there view.
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Here is response to your contention verse, John 17:3 , brothersile,

Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3

This a verse you say is to 'support your belief.'

and, I AGREE, we don't need to judge others (we should not), there own words condemn them is what Scripture tells us. WE are NOT to judge , and, your not believing that Jesus is God, to me, anyway, simply says that brothers and sisters in Christ need to let His Spirit lead there's (which is in Him ) in Love to show you 'The Way.' :)

And, here is a previous post I made that was not responded to, which I've left in it's entirety.
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OK, let's dig deeper, the Lord leads, brother sile :)

Let's look at the whole of the verses of your one contention verse (John 17:3) :

"After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: 'Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began." John 17:1-5


Do you see anything in this verse that would lead you to believe that Jesus is speaking to Himself and He is God Himself. Think 'glory.' :)

Who is Jesus giving glory to?

Who is Jesus asking to glorify Him?

Doesn't another verse in Scripture say : Whatever you do, give all the glory to God ? :)
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I believe what silas42 is trying say is that no christian has the the right to say, if you do not believe Jesus is God you will go to hell,, I Think this is what hes saying,(and i share the same view) Only God can make that judgement on the day of redemption,

Ok this is what i believe, What is baptism of the holy spirit,

1 You ask god with a sincere heart to be your friend,
2 you confess with a sincere heart that Jesus died for you on the cross,
3 You ask God with a sincere heart for his spirit (the holy spirit) and confess with a sincere heart that you will remain a friend, a true friend, and ask for guidance, maybe for the gift of discernment too, being a true friend also means repentance,
halleluiah you are baptized with the holy spirit, The scriptures says the holy spirit will be sealed with you until the day of redemption, now where does it say here to baptized with the holy spirit you must confess Jesus is god,

I have never been told to confess that JESUS is god NEVER, Jesus was asked to confess this by king Herod, what was , Jesus answer ,? Jesus answered as you say,

Many people never understand that JESUS IS God many people will just carry on as normal and not even read the word, But they are guided by the holy spirit because they have been baptized, some may choose a church that do not teach Jesus is god, Not because they don't believe he is not but because they do not know an different, some may not even join a church and just read the bible for them selves and still not come to realize that Jesus is God, but they still have the holy spirit sealed with them until the day of redemption. Because they have been baptized.
 
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josh123

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sensible said:
u are wrong , there is no trinity , " father , son , spirit " are just titles of God. There is only one GOD who has different roles
God manifest himself into flesh (JESUS) , that is the son ,so its just a title ,
it is the same thing for the spirit, GOD who is the father of all the humans put his spirit into his children
in the bible it say " if u know the son u also know the father " which means its the same person
in mathew , baptize them in the name of the father , the son and the holy spirit , there is no " S" in the word " name "
its a mystery , u have to concentrate on it , the name of all three titles is JESUS . and when it say that the son is sit next to the right hand , it means the right hand of God have power , because u call the Name JESUS to help u ; and the hand with powers help u
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Amen. but God himself was expressing himself through Jesus that is why if you know the son you also know the Father because when the Holy spirit came into Jesus that was God and they became a dual mean like how born again christians become a dual being we have ourselves and God in us, i'm glad you see the truth though most people don't they just read without understand look at it, in the Name of the father the son and the holy ghost, Name is singular it never said Names it said Name and who does these titles belong too? Jesus
 
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