New King James Version: Counterfeit
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Which is the accurate translation? Why?
Iohn 1:3 All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. (KJV)
John 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. (NKJV)
ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 1:3 παντα δι αυτου εγενετο και χωρις αυτου εγενετο ουδε εν ο γεγονεν (TR1894)
Which is the accurate translation? Why?
Iohn 1:5 And the light shineth in darknesse, and the darknesse comprehended it not. (KJV)
John 1:5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. (NKJV)
ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 1:5 και το φως εν τη σκοτια φαινει και η σκοτια αυτο ου κατελαβεν (TR1894)
Iohn 1:3 All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. (KJV)
John 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. (NKJV)
ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 1:3 παντα δι αυτου εγενετο και χωρις αυτου εγενετο ουδε εν ο γεγονεν (TR1894)
Which is the accurate translation? Why?
Iohn 1:5 And the light shineth in darknesse, and the darknesse comprehended it not. (KJV)
John 1:5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. (NKJV)
ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 1:5 και το φως εν τη σκοτια φαινει και η σκοτια αυτο ου κατελαβεν (TR1894)
I find it ironic that many people say the KJB is 'unreadable' when the English language is their mother tongue. English is a second language for me and I use the KJB. Millions of Christians around the world, in places where English is a second or third language, have used the KJB for generations for preaching of the Gospel, for personal study and devotional reading. Children have been brought up with daily reading from this Bible.
Why does the present generation detest, mock and spew hatred at the King James Bible? The answer is found in the Bible itself!
Why does the present generation detest, mock and spew hatred at the King James Bible? The answer is found in the Bible itself!
C
The appropriate comparison for the KJV is the original manuscripts
In these verses the KJV preserves the divinity of Christ while the perversions fail................
1 Tim 3:16
Καὶ ὁμολογουμένως μέγα ἐστὶν τὸ τῆς εὐσεβείας μυστήριον· θεὸς ἐφανερώθη ἐν σαρκί, ἐδικαιώθη ἐν πνεύματι, ὤφθηἀγγέλοις, ἐκηρύχθη ἐν ἔθνεσιν, ἐπιστεύθη ἐν κόσμῳ, ἀνελήφθη ἐν δόξῃ.
Received text - Basis of the KJV
καὶ ὁμολογουμένως μέγα ἐστὶν τὸ τῆς εὐσεβείας μυστήριον· Ὃς ἐφανερώθη ἐν σαρκί, ἐδικαιώθη ἐν πνεύματι, ὤφθηἀγγέλοις, ἐκηρύχθη ἐν ἔθνεσιν, ἐπιστεύθη ἐν κόσμῳ, ἀνελήμφθη ἐν δόξῃ.
Neutral Text - Basis of others including NASB & NIV
1 John 5:7
ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες εν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ πατήρ, ὁ λόγος, καὶ τὸ Ἅγιον Πνεῦμα· καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσι.
ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες,
Neutral Text - Basis of others including NASB & NIV
Here's the first few lines of Beowulf, in Old English. I can't understand it at all...
Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra
When I was a child my favorite Bible character was Phinehas.
Num 25:7 And when Phinehas the sonne of Eleazar, the sonne of Aaron the Priest saw it, hee rose vp from amongst the Congregation, and tooke a iauelin in his hand. 8 And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them thorow, the man of Israel, and the woman, thorow her belly: So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel.
I haven't seen that here on CC, only the KJV-onlyists who refuse to consider other Bibles. I love the KJV myself.
Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra
When I was a child my favorite Bible character was Phinehas.
Num 25:7 And when Phinehas the sonne of Eleazar, the sonne of Aaron the Priest saw it, hee rose vp from amongst the Congregation, and tooke a iauelin in his hand. 8 And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them thorow, the man of Israel, and the woman, thorow her belly: So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel.
I haven't seen that here on CC, only the KJV-onlyists who refuse to consider other Bibles. I love the KJV myself.
It's not for me, it's for brother allaboutlove.
Does one need a dictionary to read the NIV then?
There's no "old-English" lettering (what is that?) in the verses I quote. That's the Authorized Version, which is in Early Modern English and not Old English. Have you never read Authorized Version brother Huckleberry?
Does one need a dictionary to read the NIV then?
There's no "old-English" lettering (what is that?) in the verses I quote. That's the Authorized Version, which is in Early Modern English and not Old English. Have you never read Authorized Version brother Huckleberry?
Ummm, this is what happens when someone with cracker jack Ancient Hebrew education, attempts to correct the scholars. You are arguing that the plural of Pants. "Look there is an S it must be more than one pair of, umm pants". Or Eyeglasses, "Look 'es' is obviously a plural, so he must have worn two pairs of eyeglasses, not just one eyeglass, errrrr....."
I'm assuming then, that you suggest that the use of the term "sinful nature" as you find in the NIV to be horrific as well. So by default that would mean that you presume that the apostle Paul was a walking skeleton or Zombie. Let me explain. The word for "sinful nature" in Greek is SARX. It literally means flesh. So using your standards we associate those verses to our human bodies, as flesh/sarx is the soft meaty part of our bodies, not the bones.
So, when Paul says, "when we WERE in the flesh" rather than a theological concept of that "sinful nature" you see the WERE and assume he no longer has meat and tissue on his body.
Or when it says "you are no longer in the flesh if the Spirit of God is in you" then you must be puzzled, because you are still in your body, but the Spirit is in you, by your theology. (granted I'm assuming you are like most KJV folks...that would be their claim.)
I hope that gives you and others something to think about. Try reading your KJV next to the NET Bible. You can find it at www.Bible.org It's a free translation to use or download. You have to pay to get it printed in paper. It has the translators notes with all the questionable verses. It's a great source of education.
Enjoy.
I'm assuming then, that you suggest that the use of the term "sinful nature" as you find in the NIV to be horrific as well. So by default that would mean that you presume that the apostle Paul was a walking skeleton or Zombie. Let me explain. The word for "sinful nature" in Greek is SARX. It literally means flesh. So using your standards we associate those verses to our human bodies, as flesh/sarx is the soft meaty part of our bodies, not the bones.
So, when Paul says, "when we WERE in the flesh" rather than a theological concept of that "sinful nature" you see the WERE and assume he no longer has meat and tissue on his body.
Or when it says "you are no longer in the flesh if the Spirit of God is in you" then you must be puzzled, because you are still in your body, but the Spirit is in you, by your theology. (granted I'm assuming you are like most KJV folks...that would be their claim.)
I hope that gives you and others something to think about. Try reading your KJV next to the NET Bible. You can find it at www.Bible.org It's a free translation to use or download. You have to pay to get it printed in paper. It has the translators notes with all the questionable verses. It's a great source of education.
Enjoy.
Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Eph 6:10-12 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
This is not the Old English of Beowulf you just quoted. I guess you are just trying to prove your point with deviant and fabricated disinformation. If you ever bother to crack open a KJB and read it yourself, you would find the language to be easier to understand than you imagined (or maybe you are just trying to put others off from reading the KJB).
When I was a child my favorite Bible character was Phinehas.
Well that is your problem. Someone should have taught you better!
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I just recommended that everyone purchase a KJV only 2 days ago. Your allegation is more "deviant and fabricated disinformation", it's bearing false witness. Brut is this the fruit of KJV-onlyism?
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adulterie, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steale, Thou shalt not beare false witnesse, ...
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Rom 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (NKJV)
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Commissioned in 1975 by Thomas Nelson Publishers, 130 respected Bible scholars, church leaders, and lay Christians worked for seven years to create a completely new, modern translation of Scripture, yet one that would retain the purity and stylistic beauty of the original King James. With unyielding faithfulness to the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic texts, the translation applies the most recent research in archaeology, linguistics, and textual studies.
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Written permission is always required if you are writing a book or developing any form of product that uses Scripture.
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All Scripture must be properly cited (see below).
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