Do people think we have to become Hebrew to relate to God?
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This has been going on since Peter and Paul went out to tell the gentiles about the gospel! I should think!!! that we could all get enough understanding and love together to see this as God is seeing it.
The fighting, when you look at it from a distance, is about such things as how God taught the Hebrews to walk in His paths. God did things like tell them to eat only foods from animals who didn't eat refuse as a reminder to keep refuse out of their minds. So God did that. So get over it. People are still fighting over it.
God looks at His creation as humans He created and loves. The only reason that God divides out Hebrews is because God used them to train about Him and God tells us he blesses them for that and we should, too. The way that gentiles are jealous over that is unbelievable, and some of the things they make of it are unbelievable, too.
The fighting, when you look at it from a distance, is about such things as how God taught the Hebrews to walk in His paths. God did things like tell them to eat only foods from animals who didn't eat refuse as a reminder to keep refuse out of their minds. So God did that. So get over it. People are still fighting over it.
God looks at His creation as humans He created and loves. The only reason that God divides out Hebrews is because God used them to train about Him and God tells us he blesses them for that and we should, too. The way that gentiles are jealous over that is unbelievable, and some of the things they make of it are unbelievable, too.
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I appreciate this thread. I have been thinking of posting a thread similar to this. I run into some Christians who act more Jew than Gentile. This is their choice and as long as they do so by choice, I support it. If they are promulgate that we must obey even a small portion of the Mosaic law, such as Sabbath or not eating pork, they cross the line into doctrinal error. At that point they become a Judaizer.
I sometimes enjoy "getting Jewish" but it is never out of a sense of law. I have a mezuzah on my front door, I have a tallit (prayer shawl) and now and then enjoy a seder (passover meal). I have to admit it bothers me to see the insertion of Hebrew names in the Greek scriptures. God chose the scriptures to be written in Greek for a reason and to insert YHWH for Lord (Kurios) is tantamount to altering God's word.
I sometimes enjoy "getting Jewish" but it is never out of a sense of law. I have a mezuzah on my front door, I have a tallit (prayer shawl) and now and then enjoy a seder (passover meal). I have to admit it bothers me to see the insertion of Hebrew names in the Greek scriptures. God chose the scriptures to be written in Greek for a reason and to insert YHWH for Lord (Kurios) is tantamount to altering God's word.
That's an odd assumption. Especially as God saw to it that His Word would be preached to every Nation, in every language......but, I suppose you have the authority to determine what is or what is not God's Word. Wow, He must really be red faced about that since on the day of Pentecost every person from whatever Nation, herd God's Word in their own language and marveled..........Now we find out it wasn't God's Word after all........thanks for the Lesson in Scripture.
I continue to be impressed with the level of Christian love and fellowship you reveal in your comments to others here. You are a shining example to the Church.
I continue to be impressed with the level of Christian love and fellowship you reveal in your comments to others here. You are a shining example to the Church.
(meanwhile, back to the topic..........)
these Scriptures are worth reading as well when considering the question in the title of the OP in my opinion......
Galatians 3:17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 .) For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 .) Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 .) Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 .) Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 .) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 .) But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 .) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 .) But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 .) For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 .) For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 .) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 .) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Chapter 4:1) Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 .) But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
3 .) Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 .) But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 .) To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 .) And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 .) Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
8 .) Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9 .) But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 .) Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 .) I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
We become heirs to the "promise" through "adoption," and that through Christ Jesus in my opinion, and this is what makes us worthy to be called children of God.
.......my thoughts......
(there are also the passages Paul wrote of concerning the fig tree........the "grafted in" branches and such......it would apply to this topic also I believe.
these Scriptures are worth reading as well when considering the question in the title of the OP in my opinion......
Galatians 3:17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 .) For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 .) Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 .) Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 .) Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 .) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 .) But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 .) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 .) But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 .) For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 .) For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 .) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 .) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Chapter 4:1) Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 .) But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
3 .) Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 .) But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 .) To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 .) And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 .) Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
8 .) Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9 .) But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 .) Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 .) I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
We become heirs to the "promise" through "adoption," and that through Christ Jesus in my opinion, and this is what makes us worthy to be called children of God.
.......my thoughts......
(there are also the passages Paul wrote of concerning the fig tree........the "grafted in" branches and such......it would apply to this topic also I believe.
I have a mezuzah because to me, it labels my house as a place that I worship God in, and it has absolutely nothing at all to do with this Jew/gentile stuff. I listen and look at it from God's point of view, not according to the view of people's strange ideas. I can't see why that Jews did it or orangutans did would apply in any way to my deciding to do this.
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Eph 2:14-15 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the
middle wall of partition between us; (15) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity,
even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of
twain one new man, so making peace;
Neither greek nor jew, but one new man.
Catch up; its already is accomplished, not only preached, but also published in every nation and language.
Everything in the Bible, Old & New are examples unto us to learn by, If you understand Pentecost, then I presume that you understand that this is our example, of the final miracle that will be preformed just prior to the return of Christ/Melchezidek/ THE Angel of The LORD.
But one could have difficulty trying to find that in English.
Everything in the Bible, Old & New are examples unto us to learn by, If you understand Pentecost, then I presume that you understand that this is our example, of the final miracle that will be preformed just prior to the return of Christ/Melchezidek/ THE Angel of The LORD.
But one could have difficulty trying to find that in English.
oh for....are you acting like you read hebrew or greek?
haha.
you just watch Shepherd's Chapel & Arnold Murray all day long.
talk about false teachers.
haha.you just watch Shepherd's Chapel & Arnold Murray all day long.
talk about false teachers.
Whenever you slander my Pastor, or put your words in my mouth, I am going to post one of his teachings, so that any new people can decide for themselves.
They should also know that you live approx. 3000 miles away from me ( THANK GOD) and that unless you are a witch or something lol, that there is no possible way that you could know what I do with my time.
You also do NOT know me ( THANK GOD AGAIN!) or how or what I researched concerning God's Word.
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This is a grat subject, people often have comments to say about my use of the Crators Name, Yahweh and the Names of the physical writers of the Scriptures. They often have enmity towards me because of these, but IMO, all I am doing is seeking truth. If the letter "J" was never in any alphabet until the 15th or 16th century how could I call Yeremyah, Jeremiah, im not condemming any who do, but simply it is not his name. Why is it that I need to use names thats follow the rabbinical practice of REMOVING any form of Yahweh's Name, that practice in itself is false, again I seek nothing but truth. If we try to view the Scriptures through western mindsets we can never know what Yahshua said and meant, Yahshua didnt live ( in the flesh) in this time in this place. If we try to follow and understand Yahweh through Bablonian ideas and practices we will never come to the fullness and stature of Messiah, and as much as people dont want to hear it, Bablonian practices have crept in and even overtaken some of Yahweh's truth in the minds of the people, as most are unaware of what Babylon ever practiced so how would they ever know the difference? Bottom line I dont care who the truth comes from as long as its truth, but Yahweh has spoken some words on this topic directly to us:
Yeremyah 16:19-21, "O Yahweh, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in athe day of affliction, the Gentiles will come to You from the ends of the earth, and will say: Surely our fathers have inherited nothing but lies and vanity; worthless, powerless gods of no use at all! Do men make gods for themselves? Yes, but they are powerless! Therefore behold, I will make them to know--this time I will teach them My power and might; and they will know that My Name is Yahweh!"
Zecharyah 8:23, "This is what Yahweh of hosts says: In those days ten men, out of all languages of the nations, will take hold of the tzitzit of him who is a aYahdai, saying; We will go with you, for we have heard that Yahweh is with you."
Constantine has a famous quote, "we will have nothing to do with the rabble of the Jews." He also said, "we will celebrate the following Sunday after the equinox as do have nothing in common with the feast of the Jews." What Constantine did know or care to know is that in doing this he was rejecting the instructions of Yahweh, while protraying them as "jew traditions." I fond an interesting parallel here, 1 Samuyl 8:7, "Yahweh answered Samuyl, and said: Listen to all the words the people speak to you, for they have not rejected you; they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them." By rejecting Samuyl;s sons these people were in reality rejecting Yahwe, that is unless you believe the accusers over Yahweh. Now if Samuyl's sons had truly been making their own judgements not accoring to Yahweh's instruction then certianly rejecting then would be just that, rejecting the, but if they did ONLY asYahweh had said then one rejecting them is in reality rejecting Yahweh.
However the things of Yahweh are not of or belonging to the Jews, these are things of and belonging to Yahweh that he rejected. Certianly we should never become a "Jew" or "Hebrew" as then be follwing traditions of men. What I have set out to do is divide all that is from man and all that is from Yahweh, and throw out all that is from man, and hold fast all that is from Yahweh. We are to become as Yahshua and as Yahweh, or faithful servants to Yahshua and Yahweh, and if that means getting rid of the traditions of men, regardless if I grew up doing them or not, I want to rid myself of these traditions of MEN and only follow the "traditions" directly from Yahweh.
halleluYAHWEH!
Yeremyah 16:19-21, "O Yahweh, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in athe day of affliction, the Gentiles will come to You from the ends of the earth, and will say: Surely our fathers have inherited nothing but lies and vanity; worthless, powerless gods of no use at all! Do men make gods for themselves? Yes, but they are powerless! Therefore behold, I will make them to know--this time I will teach them My power and might; and they will know that My Name is Yahweh!"
Zecharyah 8:23, "This is what Yahweh of hosts says: In those days ten men, out of all languages of the nations, will take hold of the tzitzit of him who is a aYahdai, saying; We will go with you, for we have heard that Yahweh is with you."
Constantine has a famous quote, "we will have nothing to do with the rabble of the Jews." He also said, "we will celebrate the following Sunday after the equinox as do have nothing in common with the feast of the Jews." What Constantine did know or care to know is that in doing this he was rejecting the instructions of Yahweh, while protraying them as "jew traditions." I fond an interesting parallel here, 1 Samuyl 8:7, "Yahweh answered Samuyl, and said: Listen to all the words the people speak to you, for they have not rejected you; they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them." By rejecting Samuyl;s sons these people were in reality rejecting Yahwe, that is unless you believe the accusers over Yahweh. Now if Samuyl's sons had truly been making their own judgements not accoring to Yahweh's instruction then certianly rejecting then would be just that, rejecting the, but if they did ONLY asYahweh had said then one rejecting them is in reality rejecting Yahweh.
However the things of Yahweh are not of or belonging to the Jews, these are things of and belonging to Yahweh that he rejected. Certianly we should never become a "Jew" or "Hebrew" as then be follwing traditions of men. What I have set out to do is divide all that is from man and all that is from Yahweh, and throw out all that is from man, and hold fast all that is from Yahweh. We are to become as Yahshua and as Yahweh, or faithful servants to Yahshua and Yahweh, and if that means getting rid of the traditions of men, regardless if I grew up doing them or not, I want to rid myself of these traditions of MEN and only follow the "traditions" directly from Yahweh.
halleluYAHWEH!
has this happened already?
if not, who is it talking about?
and if yes, who is it talking about?
if not, who is it talking about?
and if yes, who is it talking about?
Zecharyah 8:23, "This is what Yahweh of hosts says: In those days ten men, out of all languages of the nations, will take hold of the tzitzit of him who is a aYahdai, saying; We will go with you, for we have heard that Yahweh is with you."
What does it matter if it has happened, for one if it did than it still stands as an learning tool, if ti has not then what truths are we missing?
I dont think it has happened, all I have is speculation, maybe 2 witnesses? IDK.
The lesson that can be learned here is still valid either way.
Also i know we disagree on many things Zone, but seriosly that is all you could do with that post, is pick at something so not to the point of the post or the thread. Uless you have an angle coming that is tied in that is. IDK. but to the validity of the point I was trying to make, its not about Hebrew to non-hebrew, its about Yahweh's truth, and I wnat to be WHEREVER that is, it could be a eskimo (nothing agaist them, they are just rare and secluded) and I would listen if they had Yahweh's truth.
To our hearts with EVERYTHING OF YAHWEH and to the trash with EVERYTHING else!