Do people think we have to become Hebrew to relate to God?

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Hizikyah

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2 Kepha 2:20-22, "Now if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of Yahweh and the Savior Yahshua Messiah, they are again entangled in them, and overcome by them, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have
known it, to turn from the holy Laws (some say "sacred Command") delivered to them. There has befallen them the thing spoken of in the true proverb: dog returns to his own vomit, and: A sow is washed, only to wallow again in the mire."
 

zone

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the latinized version is JHVH, also yes I am writing in english Yahweh, which IMO is the correct way to convey the Real Name of the Creator in using english. The sounds of the name do change no matter what language you use.

So accoring to "you have no 'original' name there AT ALL - you have LATIN and ENGLISH"

then all our criptures are non-sense, which is not true, but if you change something in them then there is a problem.

YHWH, YH WH, not yahway, Yah Weh, so what about the hundreds of time He talks about the importance of His Name and the many times He says His people will know His Name, the gentiles will know his Name, etc and the over 6,823 HIS NAME IS WRITTEN, and pronounceable?

seems to me Constantine and you should be buddies, you dont want "Yahweh" in your religion.
you want to be taken seriously?

"the latinized version is JHVH, also yes I am writing in english Yahweh, which IMO is the correct way to convey the Real Name of the Creator in using english. The sounds of the name do change no matter what language you use."

the sounds of the name do change if you speak a language which does not allow for the articulation of the sounds YOU are using IN ENGLISH....and writing, using LATIN and english. find someone in Asia or the Arctic or Africa who do not have any YA sound or VA sound, and no way to pronounce it.

are you telling me the first thing you would tell them they need for their salvation is to learn Hebrew? or would you tell them it's okay to learn ENGLISH because maybe they can reproduce the SOUND of the Name through Latin and English?

is that the GOSPEL? what about the deaf? what's the SIGN for Yahweh?


my entire point was (and you know this, so your tapdance is deceitful)- if you are scared you'll be rejected for not using the tetragrammaton, or for incorporating 'corruptions from satan' (i presume Latin is from satan), maybe you should go all the way and only ever WRITE:

יהוה‎

maybe you don't believe the New Testament - there is no other name given by which men may be saved - JESUS.

in which ever language God Himself ordained you be born speaking and hearing.
 
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Hizikyah

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you want to be taken seriously?

"the latinized version is JHVH, also yes I am writing in english Yahweh, which IMO is the correct way to convey the Real Name of the Creator in using english. The sounds of the name do change no matter what language you use."

the sounds of the name do change if you speak a language which does not allow for the articulation of the sounds YOU are using IN ENGLISH....and writing, using LATIN and english. find someone in Asia or the Arctic or Africa who do not have any YA sound, and no way to pronounce it.

my entire point was (and you know this, so your tapdance is deceitful)- if you are scared you'll be rejected for not using the tetragrammaton, or for incorporating 'corruptions from satan' (i presume Latin is from satan), maybe you should go all the way and only ever WRITE:

יהוה‎
If the sound of the Name changes then the Name has changed.

I dont see why you have such a problem with the actual Name of the Creator.
 
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[h=2]Do people think we have to become Hebrew to relate to God? [/h]
I think it's the opposite. I think when we try and relate to God, we become "hebrew"
 

zone

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If the sound of the Name changes then the Name has changed.

I dont see why you have such a problem with the actual Name of the Creator.
i do NOT have a problem with יהוה‎; Yahweh; I AM; The Holy One of Israel; The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, etc etc etc - I LOVE HIM because HE LOVED ME.

this thing you have going where you think you're in God's good books because you sound out the tetragrammaton is highly disturbing.

what if i can't speak or hear, Hizikyah?
and i am a Innuit? do you know their language is a CLICKING sound?
please tell me what signs you will use with your hands to tell me the name of the Creator if i am a deaf & mute Innuit? am i just headed for hell because i don't have a way to articulate what you say IMO IS THE CORRECT TO.....?

do you believe Native Americans were saved through missionary work during the founding of the US through their SIGN LANGUAGE or not? you answer has to be NO. for you, uttering the SOUND of God's Name as written down IN ancient HEBREW, then translated for YOU into English based on Latin letters is REQUIRED to please God.

how about this:

O Heavenly Father,
thank you for Your Precious Son,
The King of Israel and the Savior of your people,
Yeshua the Messiah,
Amen.

(do i get extra points for saying Yeshua Messiah?)

am i allowed and encouraged to call God my Father?
does He even say i will desire to call Him DADDY, or PAPA?

anyways.
 
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Hizikyah

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i do NOT have a problem with יהוה‎; Yahweh; I AM; The Holy One of Israel; The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

what if i can't speak or hear, Hizikyah?
and i am a Innuit? do you know their language is a CLICKING sound?
please tell me what signs you will use with your hands to tell me the name of the Creator if i am a deaf & mute Innut?

do you believe Native Americans were saved through missionary work during the founding of the US through their SIGN LANGUAGE or not? you answer has to be NO. for you, uttering the SOUND of God's Name as written down IN ancient HEBREW, then translated for YOU into English based on Latin letters is REQUIRED to please God.

how about this:

O Heavenly Father,
thank you for Your Precious Son,
The King of Israel and the Savior of your people,
Yeshua the Messiah,
Amen.

am i allowed and encouraged to call God my Father?
does He even say i will desire to call Him DADDY, or PAPA?

anyways.
you act like I said if you dont know His Name your going to the lake of fire.

all I did was state that yahweh HIMSELF speaks of the IMPORTANCE of HIS name over and over.
 

JaumeJ

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Have you ever had to deal with a donkey when it has decided to sit down? It is like beating a dead horse. You have your work cut out for you. May Yahweh help you, amen.

If the sound of the Name changes then the Name has changed.

I dont see why you have such a problem with the actual Name of the Creator.
 

zone

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you act like I said if you dont know His Name your going to the lake of fire.

all I did was state that yahweh HIMSELF speaks of the IMPORTANCE of HIS name over and over.
you have stated clearly:

seems to me Constantine and you should be buddies, you dont want "Yahweh" in your religion

what are you saying when you say this to people?
you're making the Gospel into a joke.
that's the fruit of this entire movement.
you are becoming as superstitious as the jews who ended up with the ineffable name idea, and you don't even know it.

why not just call God what He Himself told Moses to call Him and the israelites were to know Him by?


שמות 3:14 Hebrew OT: Westminster Leningrad Codex
וַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם׃

שמות 3:14 Hebrew OT: WLC (Consonants Only)
ויאמר אלהים אל־משה אהיה אשר אהיה ויאמר כה תאמר לבני ישראל אהיה שלחני אליכם׃

שמות 3:14 Paleo-Hebrew OT: WLC (Font Required)
ויאמר אלהים אל־משה אהיה אשר אהיה ויאמר כה תאמר לבני ישראל אהיה שלחני אליכם׃

שמות 3:14 Hebrew Bible
ויאמר אלהים אל משה אהיה אשר אהיה ויאמר כה תאמר לבני ישראל אהיה שלחני אליכם׃


and if you want to be sure He isn't going to cut you off over it, do it using consonants only.
 

Hizikyah

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Genesis 4:26, "And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. It was then that the Name of Yahweh
began to be invoked again."

Your translation probably says in Exodus 6:3 that Abraham didnt know Yahweh's name, but in Genesis LITERALLY say Abraham used the Name Yahweh.

YAHWEH, the Heavenly Father of your fathers, the Mighty One of Abraham, the Mighty One of Isaac, and the Mighty One of Yaaqob, has sent me to you. THIS IS MY NAME FOREVER-- and this is MY MEMORIAL: the Name by which I am to be remembered by, from generation to generation, for all generations.

He states His Name over 6,823 times
 

zone

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Have you ever had to deal with a donkey when it has decided to sit down? It is like beating a dead horse. You have your work cut out for you. May Yahweh help you, amen.
and you are involved in this now also, warning your friend about zone the donkey? fine by me.

what's embarrassing for the church and no doubt for God Himself, is it is you guys who are misleading people AWAY from salvation.

since you're so spiritual, please respond to this. tell me how Mr. Simpson got it wrong, and you guys got it right:

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As for the correct pronunciation of Yahweh even the Orthodox Jews are not sure any more how to pronounce it, so how do sacred name groups know what others who speak the language do not know? How could anybody else unequivocally claim the correct pronunciation of His name in the ancient Hebrew or any OTHER language? The only thing you can do is to say the name in your own language. How do you say Yahweh in English? The best we can do is “I Am.” Sacred name groups need to consider that if they are wrong in their pronunciation and they are teaching others a absolute strict way, then they are misrepresenting God’s name. They have admittedly done this by changing his name to a more correct pronunciation at times. Yet they all do not agree.

The Germans pronounce a Y with a J sound and it is sounded a “yawt.” If you can teach someone to say the Hawaiian word Ka-pi-o-la-ni, syllable by syllable, that doesn't mean they know what they're saying or that the word “has the same meaning in their language” they are accustom to. Just about all of us can say “ha-lel-lu-jah” and we're saying a real Hebrew word, but the MEANING of that word can be expressed in our own language as well (Praise to our God).

Sacred namer's insist that your name will be pronounced the same in every language. Anywhere you go in the world names are the same. I have heard this ignorant statement from the majority.

Claiming Yashua and Yahweh are pronounced the same in EVERY language, this is nonsense! This proves they are listening to a rumor that is circulating that is a complete lie. Its been passed down for so long that the majority actually insists on this as absolutely true. I have asked people who speak these languages to see if this is so, they say it is not. When you go to a Spanish country to say Michael in their language it is Miguel. Michael in Hindi is Mikhael (as it is similar in Russian). In Japanese the name Michael is not the same, it is Michieru. So we can see from this very simple example they are wrong. But they don't accept this.

We can take it and apply it elsewhere. In Hindi Christ (Messiah) is pronounced Mase’(not Krishna as they claim); Jesus is pronounced Yesu and Yahweh is Yehowa. In Japanese Yahweh is pronounced Yaefu; Yashua is Yashia and Jesus is Jisusu.

The Chinese Dictionary and in the Chinese Bible prove they are wrong as well. God is shen /shangdi (two ways of saying it) Lord is shangdi, savior is jiuxing / Yesu jidu, Jesus is Yesu. Ji du is Christ, salvation is Ju en. Yahweh is Ye ho hua. My friend who is Jewish wrote me back on this said ‘I do know that many languages have the similar pronunciations. Like in Hebrew as Y'shua, others like Cantonese, Fukien, Malay, Russian, etc. all sound similar. But similar does not mean the same, especially if the sound is similar and the meanings are different. So they are wrong.

The point that needs to be explained to “sacred namer's” is people do not go around asking for a TRANSLITERATION of Yeshua or Yahweh in other languages. It would be “How do you say 'God is Salvation' in your language?” It is the meaning of a word that counts, not the way it is pronounced in sound. Since they may not have the capability to say the name Yahweh. That is the reason God said he is who I am, stressing Him being the eternal one. If you were to ask how do you say, 'I Am' in your language? Guaranteed, they're not going to answer you with a HEBREW word! You can ask Japanese people how they say the Lord's name. They DON'T say “Yeshua” or Yahweh in Japanese. More importantly neither were the apostles told to teach people the Hebrew language or pronunciation. They were commanded to teach what they were taught about Christ and how to live a life in the Lord obedient to his teachings.


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Hizikyah & Jack, please correct Mr. Simpson (and Hebrew multi-linguists i'm about to post - you need to tell them how wrong they are, and back it up)
 
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Hizikyah

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and you are involved in this now also, warning your friend about zone the donkey? fine by me.

what's embarrassing for the church and no doubt for God Himself, is it is you guys who are misleading people AWAY from salvation.

since you're so spiritual, please respond to this. tell me how Mr. Simpson got it wrong, and you guys got it right:

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As for the correct pronunciation of Yahweh even the Orthodox Jews are not sure any more how to pronounce it, so how do sacred name groups know what others who speak the language do not know? How could anybody else unequivocally claim the correct pronunciation of His name in the ancient Hebrew or any OTHER language? The only thing you can do is to say the name in your own language. How do you say Yahweh in English? The best we can do is “I Am.” Sacred name groups need to consider that if they are wrong in their pronunciation and they are teaching others a absolute strict way, then they are misrepresenting God’s name. They have admittedly done this by changing his name to a more correct pronunciation at times. Yet they all do not agree.

The Germans pronounce a Y with a J sound and it is sounded a “yawt.” If you can teach someone to say the Hawaiian word Ka-pi-o-la-ni, syllable by syllable, that doesn't mean they know what they're saying or that the word “has the same meaning in their language” they are accustom to. Just about all of us can say “ha-lel-lu-jah” and we're saying a real Hebrew word, but the MEANING of that word can be expressed in our own language as well (Praise to our God).

Sacred namer's insist that your name will be pronounced the same in every language. Anywhere you go in the world names are the same. I have heard this ignorant statement from the majority.

Claiming Yashua and Yahweh are pronounced the same in EVERY language, this is nonsense! This proves they are listening to a rumor that is circulating that is a complete lie. Its been passed down for so long that the majority actually insists on this as absolutely true. I have asked people who speak these languages to see if this is so, they say it is not. When you go to a Spanish country to say Michael in their language it is Miguel. Michael in Hindi is Mikhael (as it is similar in Russian). In Japanese the name Michael is not the same, it is Michieru. So we can see from this very simple example they are wrong. But they don't accept this.

We can take it and apply it elsewhere. In Hindi Christ (Messiah) is pronounced Mase’(not Krishna as they claim); Jesus is pronounced Yesu and Yahweh is Yehowa. In Japanese Yahweh is pronounced Yaefu; Yashua is Yashia and Jesus is Jisusu.

The Chinese Dictionary and in the Chinese Bible prove they are wrong as well. God is shen /shangdi (two ways of saying it) Lord is shangdi, savior is jiuxing / Yesu jidu, Jesus is Yesu. Ji du is Christ, salvation is Ju en. Yahweh is Ye ho hua. My friend who is Jewish wrote me back on this said ‘I do know that many languages have the similar pronunciations. Like in Hebrew as Y'shua, others like Cantonese, Fukien, Malay, Russian, etc. all sound similar. But similar does not mean the same, especially if the sound is similar and the meanings are different. So they are wrong.

The point that needs to be explained to “sacred namer's” is people do not go around asking for a TRANSLITERATION of Yeshua or Yahweh in other languages. It would be “How do you say 'God is Salvation' in your language?” It is the meaning of a word that counts, not the way it is pronounced in sound. Since they may not have the capability to say the name Yahweh. That is the reason God said he is who I am, stressing Him being the eternal one. If you were to ask how do you say, 'I Am' in your language? Guaranteed, they're not going to answer you with a HEBREW word! You can ask Japanese people how they say the Lord's name. They DON'T say “Yeshua” or Yahweh in Japanese. More importantly neither were the apostles told to teach people the Hebrew language or pronunciation. They were commanded to teach what they were taught about Christ and how to live a life in the Lord obedient to his teachings.


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Hizikyah & Jack, please correct Mr. Simpson (and Hebrew multi-linguists i'm aqbout to post - you need to tell them how wrong they are, and back it up)
I did not read much, 1 or 2 paragraphs, Mr.Serpent is a liar. This guy is an idiot, he reminds me of the talmudists, where they make everything subjective so we cant be sure of ANYTHING woo oohh scarrrry! Maybe this, or maybe that? IDK IDK IDK??? One if we go through 20 biblical resources half will say nobody knows how to pronounce it, half will say we know how its pronounced.

men lie, the Spirit of Yahweh does not lie:

Isayah 52:6, "Therefore My people will know My Name; Therefore they will know in that day that I am He Who speaks. Behold, it is I!"
 

Hizikyah

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They DON'T say “Yeshua” or Yahweh in Japanese. More importantly neither were the apostles told to teach people the Hebrew language or pronunciation. They were commanded to teach what they were taught about Christ and how to live a life in the Lord obedient to his teachings.
cont...Hizikyah & Jack, please correct Mr. Simpson (and Hebrew multi-linguists i'm about to post - you need to tell them how wrong they are, and back it up)
Yahchanan 17:6, "I have manifested Your Name to the men that You gave Me out of the world."
 

zone

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Where's the name? cont.....

Finding God’s sacred name throughout the Scripture can sometimes be like looking for Waldo in the picture books series. Some Sacred namer’s have made the name almost into an idol. Nothing else matters, nothing is more important except, “the name” for without the correct pronunciation one is unable to be saved. This means no one was saved throughout history after the apostles, until their leaders came along and restored the CORRECT name (except for a few that spoke the correct name in Hebrew during this time. This is no different than the cults claim of restoring the Church, which every cult does (some sacred name groups have this as well). The Church was not lost and neither was his NAME! God said he exalted his word even above his name.

Jordan Maxwell is certainly not a “friend” of the Faith, he has taught that the name “Israel” was really a combination of three pagan names “Is” it stands for Isis “ra” for Ra, and “el” for El, the Canaanite god! Maxwell’s inventive arguments are just as well presented as the sacred name groups. And he is just as wrong.

They want to make an issue out of the name. Saying it is Yahweh (or the Son-Yashua). Then this means until recently no one had ever called God by his true name. God spoke to Abraham and others without them calling on or speaking his Hebrew name. Neither Adam, Enoch, Noah, called God by his true name because they did not speak Hebrew (certainly not the Hebrew of today). Nor did they know the Lord by the name Yahweh until the time of Moses.

Exodus 6:3: “I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, (Yahweh) I was not known to them.”

(oh dear - Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob did NOT know God by the Name Yahweh)

This communication of God to Moses is interesting in that the God almighty is called baEl (Baal in the Hebrew) shadday and the Word Lord is Hawyaw (from the root Hahvah) meaning to exist eternally. Out goes the argument of SN that Baal is exclusive to false Gods. Here the true God identifies himself with this name to the early saints....



cont......(i assume you guys are correcting all this stuff....i'll check back)
 

zone

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I did not read much, 1 or 2 paragraphs, Mr.Serpent is a liar. This guy is an idiot,
okay...please don't reply to any more of these specific posts.

if you're not reading them, and the guy is a serpent and a liar and idiot, wait until i post Hebrew multi-linguists.
then you can call them serpents liars and idiots.

do not post again concerning Simpson unless you have some BEEF.
 

Hizikyah

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The Chinese Dictionary and in the Chinese Bible prove they are wrong as well. God is shen /shangdi (two ways of saying it) Lord is shangdi, savior is jiuxing / Yesu jidu, Jesus is Yesu. Ji du is Christ, salvation is Ju en. Yahweh is Ye ho hua. My friend who is Jewish wrote me back on this said ‘I do know that many languages have the similar pronunciations. Like in Hebrew as Y'shua, others like Cantonese, Fukien, Malay, Russian, etc. all sound similar. But similar does not mean the same, especially if the sound is similar and the meanings are different. So they are wrong.
This guy is an idiot, because some guy some where (china) says this or that in a bible/resource every one that say the Creator has one name is wrong. LOL chinese dictionary proves Yahweh wrong.

its said when people vote for a political candidate the majority of the time they dont even care if they know that person is lying, they just choose the one who says what they want to hear, well I have to say im the same, except the one I choose doesnt lie and His Name is Yahweh. All this thelogical cemetary mumbo jumbo is poison.
 
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a friend tells me she like to wear her hat at read some.
i cant see that hurting anyone.
 

zone

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Where's the name? cont....


We find in Genesis that despite not knowing the name Yahweh, people called on the Lord. “And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then men began to call on the name of the LORD, and God answered them. (Gen. 4:26). All without the Hebrew language! Jacob knew God as El Shaddai (“the Almighty” Gen. 17:1) not by his personal name. The books of Esther and Ecclesiastes not once use the name Yahweh, although Ecclesiastes does use the word God (Hebrew, Elohim) some forty-one times. This suggests that use of the name is not essential and the name God- Elohim was not strictly pagan but a biblical one with a wide variety of use. It was used of gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural, especially with the accompanying article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes rulers, judges angels, a god, a goddess and the one true God.

We use many titles such as “Father, Creator, the everlasting God, I AM, Savior, Redeemer, deliverer, Son, the Almighty, mighty God” these are all English translations of Hebrew titles or names of Yahweh. Why are these not pronounced by them in the Hebrew and used for his name, instead only certain particular names are?

Even Moses did not call him Yahweh but I Am by the instruction from God himself, when God said my name is I AM who I AM - EhYeh asher EhYeh.

This is not the exact same as Yahweh no matter how you cut it.

Both eyeh and YHWH (Yahweh) are of the root meaning, the word Haya. But are not the same exact pronunciation or in writing. Even the Father does not use the name Yashua (Jesus) to communicate to his Son, but calls him Son, as he had before he was incarnated, showing their previous relationship continuing from eternity. We find God is called numerous names in the Old Testament, none of which is Yashua specifically.

GOD is INFINITE in his nature, HE unable to be FULLY COMPREHENDED or explained by any single name or description. (This what the name wonderful means in Isa.9:6- unable to comprehend). The Old Testament uses numerous names as God reveals himself to man. The closest summation of Who He is eyeh asher eyeh- “I Am who I Am.” Each name expresses a certain attribute or characteristic of His nature.


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Hizikyah

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Where's the name? cont.....

Finding God’s sacred name throughout the Scripture can sometimes be like looking for Waldo in the picture books series. Some Sacred namer’s have made the name almost into an idol. Nothing else matters, nothing is more important except, “the name” for without the correct pronunciation one is unable to be saved. This means no one was saved throughout history after the apostles, until their leaders came along and restored the CORRECT name (except for a few that spoke the correct name in Hebrew during this time. This is no different than the cults claim of restoring the Church, which every cult does (some sacred name groups have this as well). The Church was not lost and neither was his NAME! God said he exalted his word even above his name.

Jordan Maxwell is certainly not a “friend” of the Faith, he has taught that the name “Israel” was really a combination of three pagan names “Is” it stands for Isis “ra” for Ra, and “el” for El, the Canaanite god! Maxwell’s inventive arguments are just as well presented as the sacred name groups. And he is just as wrong.

They want to make an issue out of the name. Saying it is Yahweh (or the Son-Yashua). Then this means until recently no one had ever called God by his true name. God spoke to Abraham and others without them calling on or speaking his Hebrew name. Neither Adam, Enoch, Noah, called God by his true name because they did not speak Hebrew (certainly not the Hebrew of today). Nor did they know the Lord by the name Yahweh until the time of Moses.

Exodus 6:3: “I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, (Yahweh) I was not known to them.”

(oh dear - Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob did NOT know God by the Name Yahweh)

This communication of God to Moses is interesting in that the God almighty is called baEl (Baal in the Hebrew) shadday and the Word Lord is Hawyaw (from the root Hahvah) meaning to exist eternally. Out goes the argument of SN that Baal is exclusive to false Gods. Here the true God identifies himself with this name to the early saints....



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thats what your translation says, why didnt you post Gen 12:8?

Genesis 12:8, "And he went from there to the hill east of Beth El, and he pitched his tent there; Beth El was to the west of him, and Ai was to the east. There he built an altar to Yahweh, and there he prayed with the Name of Yahweh."

Every text and translation says this, so I think you bible is broken.

Ex 6:3, is a negative affirmation, "was I not known to them" wrongly translated "I was not know to them."

the KJV translators got all the negative affirmations THAT I KNOW OF right in the OT EXCEPT THIS ONE.

Also just because a MAN has a diploma doesnt mean he is not working against the truth of Yahweh, satan is tricky, every "scholar" is not working for righteousness. I have a bible dictionary put togater by the work of over 40 "scholars" and there are tons of lies in there that a 8 yr old could diprove with Scripture. One is they say the Scriptures never exacty say what sin is, lie. 1 John 3:4 gives exact explanaton.
 
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Equuas

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If the sound of the Name changes then the Name has changed.

I dont see why you have such a problem with the actual Name of the Creator.
If the sound of the name changes, you are still the same person. eg. David in English, spelled the same in low German but pronounced " Douphed" add an e to the end in Italian Davide pronounced Dauviday. Same name, different sounds, same person. If we could only call on the name of the Jesus in the Hebrew then most of us are not saved. I do not have a problem with the actual name of the Creator but we probably never will till we reach heaven. We can study and make a best guess and I wish our OT would have used the Hebrew name for God rather than Lord but it does not change who He is.
 

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Where's the name?

Some say the name El is Not God’s name nor should it be used. Others such as Jacob Meyer say “These things says the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of El (Jacob O. Meyer, “Trinity, Duality, or Oneness,” Monograph). Meyer says God and Lord are pagan names and must not be used. Yet he will use the word El to refer to the Creator (rightly so) to the dismay of other sacred name groups.

El is used for God and attached to names and attributes of Himself, this doesn’t make him a pagan God.

Sacred name adherents need to look carefully before they smear certain names. The word El the singular part of Elohim is used for God and it is used for both false gods and the true one, as is Elohim.

God says his name is not only Yahweh (Lord). Scripture records his name as El in Job.21:14, Ps.31:5,22:10. El is also combine with other attributes El Olam (Everlasting) is your name (Isa.63:16). El Eyon- the most high God Ex.15:26. (Deut.32:8). El Shaddai - God Almighty (all sufficient one) (Gen.17:1). So we can see that God is not strict about a single name.

His other names are Yahweh- Rapha The Lord that heals. The man whose name is the Branch Zech.6:12, 3:8 Which is attributed to Jesus. Yahweh-Tsidkenu- his name (a man) will be called the Lord our righteousness (Jer.23:6), which is attributed to Jesus. Just as El was attached to a description for his name so is Yahweh. Ex.15:3. My name is Quanna (Jealous) Ex.34:14. Here God himself says a different name than Yahweh. If sacred name groups are going to continue to argue the point of calling on Yahweh only than they now have to argue against Yahweh Himself. Isa.9:6 “His name will be called wonderful, counselor, mighty God, Father of eternity, prince of peace.” There are numerous names God used to describe himself in this passage and others. (Wonderful means unable to comprehend, in other words no name or speech can fully describe Him). His name is Wonderful- But Sacred name groups say it has become corrupted. The New Testament says his name will be called Jesus (in certain languages).

Name in the Strong’s Concordance is defined as shem- a name 8034, a reputation, fame, glory. the Name (as a designation for God, a memorial, monument. 3068 Yehovah (yeh-ho-vaw'); from 1961; (the) self-Existent or Eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God.

In Ex. 33:18-23 Moses said, “Please, show me Your glory. “Then He (Yahweh) said, “I will make all my goodness pass before you, and “I will proclaim the name of the LORD before you.”

Read this carefully, Yahweh did not speak His name out loud, Moses was allowed to see His passing glory, by this His name was proclaimed. His nature was made known and explained who He is.


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John 8:24
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM, you'll die in your sins."

ego eimi

eimi: I exist, I am
Original Word: εἰμί
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: eimi
Phonetic Spelling: (i-mee')
Short Definition: I am, exist
Definition: I am, exist.

1510 eimí (the basic Greek verb which expresses being, i.e. "to be") – am, is. 1510 (eimí), and its counterparts, (properly) convey "straight-forward" being (existence, i.e. without explicit limits).

1510 /eimí ("is, am") – in the present tense, indicative mood – can be time-inclusive ("omnitemporal," like the Hebrew imperfect tense). Only the context indicates whether the present tense also has "timeless" implications. For example, 1510 (eimí) is aptly used in Christ's great "I am" (ego eimi . . . ) that also include His eternality (self-existent life) as our life, bread, light," etc. See Jn 7:34, 8:58, etc

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Name in the Strong’s Concordance is defined as shem- a name 8034, a reputation, fame, glory. the Name (as a designation for God, a memorial, monument. 3068 Yehovah (yeh-ho-vaw'); from 1961; (the) self-Existent or Eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God.

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John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

λόγος, ου, ὁ

John 1:1 Interlinear: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God; < click

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life,a and the life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. 8He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light.

9The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. 11He came to his own,b and his own peoplec did not receive him. 12But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

14And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15(John bore witness about him, and cried out, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.’”) 16And from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. 17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.


John 1:17 Greek Study Bible (Apostolic / Interlinear)
ὅτι ὁ νόμος διὰ Μωϋσέως ἐδόθη, ἡ χάρις καὶ ἡ ἀλήθεια διὰ Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ ἐγένετο.

KJV with Strong's
For the law was given by Moses but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ

John 1:17 Hebrew Bible
כי התורה נתנה ביד משה והחסד והאמת באו על ידי ישוע המשיח׃

John 1:17 Aramaic NT: Peshitta
ܡܛܠ ܕܢܡܘܤܐ ܒܝܕ ܡܘܫܐ ܐܬܝܗܒ ܫܪܪܐ ܕܝܢ ܘܛܝܒܘܬܐ ܒܝܕ ܝܫܘܥ ܡܫܝܚܐ ܗܘܐ ܀


Jesus
Ἰησοῦ
iēsou

TRANSLITERATIONS:

בִּיהוֹשֻׁ֖עַ ביהושע וִֽיהוֹשֻׁ֔עַ וִֽיהוֹשֻׁ֣עַ וִיהוֹשֻׁ֕עַ וִיהוֹשֻׁ֖עַ וִיהוֹשֻׁ֙עַ֙ וִיהוֹשֻׁ֣עַ וִיהוֹשֻׁ֨עַ וִיהוֹשֻׁ֪עַ ויהושע יְ֠הוֹשֻׁעַ יְהוֹשֻֽׁעַ׃ יְהוֹשֻׁ֑עַ יְהוֹשֻׁ֔עַ יְהוֹשֻׁ֖עַ יְהוֹשֻׁ֗עַ יְהוֹשֻׁ֙עַ֙ יְהוֹשֻׁ֛עַ יְהוֹשֻׁ֜עַ יְהוֹשֻׁ֡עַ יְהוֹשֻׁ֣עַ יְהוֹשֻׁ֣עַ ׀ יְהוֹשֻׁ֣עַ־ יְהוֹשֻׁ֤עַ יְהוֹשֻׁ֥עַ יְהוֹשֻׁ֧עַ יְהוֹשֻׁ֨עַ יְהוֹשֻׁעַ֒ יְהוֹשֻׁעַ֙ יְהוֹשֻׁעַ֮ יְהוֹשׁ֔וּעַ יְהוֹשׁ֣וּעַ יהושוע יהושע יהושע־ יהושע׃ לִֽיהוֹשֻׁ֑עַ לִֽיהוֹשֻׁ֗עַ לִיהוֹשֻׁ֣עַ לִיהוֹשֻׁ֥עַ ליהושע bî·hō·wō·šu·a‘ bihoShua bîhōwōšua‘ lî·hō·wō·šu·a‘ lihoShua lîhōwōšua‘ vihoShua wî·hō·wō·šu·a‘ wîhōwōšua‘ yə·hō·wō·šu·a‘ yə·hō·wō·šū·a‘ yə·hō·wō·šu·a‘- yehoShua yəhōwōšua‘ yəhōwōšūa‘ yəhōwōšua‘-

PICK ONE.....you've got ONE NAME by which men may be saved
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Hizikyah, when you get around to staking your life on THE NAME by which men MUST be saved, post it here in 7pt type, and declare God Himself told you NO ONE will ever be saved EXCEPT by the SINGLE NAME you are certain He demands......post here that God himself revealed directly to YOU what even no Jewish Scholar will ever CLAIM.

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Where's the name?
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