"Humble yourself" John MacArthur Says Charisma Writer: Strange Fire Conference

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Could just hear him out and see what he has to say.
Some say don't toss out the baby with the bathwater, then they turn around say, Well I ain't gonna listen to anything that fella is saying.
I'm listening to him right now......... he condemned the movement as a whole.

A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

I've heard his sermons on Pentecostals as well. I noticed he never touched on the history of the movement, only on what it's currently doing.
 
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He denies that the Holy Spirit is going to reveal Jesus to people?
He denies the baptism in the Holy Spirit, with its gifts.
 
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Matthew 5:18 [SUP]19 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
 

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I'm looking forward to it. Especially all the expository preaching. :)

It's time to really call out on a large united scale the Word of Faith garbage that is passed off as sound doctrine in Pentecostal churches.
lunch break diggs:)



Plowman's.
then a .5 hr powerdown.
brb.

(the chutney is awesome:p)

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1:30 p.m.General Session 2: Joni Eareckson-Tada (testimony), R.C. Sproul (by video)
 
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He denies the baptism in the Holy Spirit, with its gifts.
I think he just denies holy laughter, barking like a dog, convulsing, and attributing all that to the Holy Spirit. He also seems to deny people who make things up in their heads, utter it, then attribute it to the Holy Spirit.
 
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Michael Brown of Charisma magazine is calling on John MacArthur to humble himself.

MacArthur is about to start a conference called "Strange Fire". It's an expose of sorts of the Charasmatic movement.
The schedule is here -> Schedule

Justin Peters will be speaking tomorrow (Thursday) afternoon. I've watched hours of his teaching on YouTube and I'm quite impressed with his knowledge. He's very soft-spoken and backs up everything he says with scripture.
 
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All I can say is... HIDE! RUN FOR COVER!! This guy sounds like bad news to me. And I don't want any part of it. If they broadcast, I'm not watching. I'm not going to watch someone bash a certain congregation.
O God, have mercy on our souls! / Catch a fire, so you can get burn. (catch a fire) --Bob Marley

[video=youtube;8b8mls0q-4U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b8mls0q-4U[/video]
 

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O God, have mercy on our souls! / Catch a fire, so you can get burn. (catch a fire) --Bob Marley

[video=youtube;8b8mls0q-4U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b8mls0q-4U[/video]
Sorry, but...

What??



I'll give it to you some churches are kinda....iffy. And those churches shouldn't even be considered churches. But your link doesn't even go with what I said.
 
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Like Stephen said, he's generalizing and clumping a whole denomination as false. Thing is, it's not. I know we don't agree on certain things, but I think you and I both can agree that not all Pentecostal or Charismatic churches are bad or false in teaching and worship. I can tell you right now, it doesn't matter what denomination you choose, there's always going to be a bad apple in the bunch. But we can't just see that one bad apple and then say, "All the apples are rotten!"
Pentecostals who don't embrace heresy like dogs embrace wind in their face during a car ride and actually use discernment once and awhile, are a rare breed and typically not very pentecostal. Most people involved in Pentecostalism are looking for an off the wall experience, and not truth. That's why they will embrace anything that feels good to them, comes in a nice and neat package, or says "it'll all get better, and jesus has your ferrari in the mail".

Also, Pentecostalism isn't a denomination. It's an extra-biblical interpretative system.


[video=youtube;G-V_91c5ojU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-V_91c5ojU[/video]
 
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is anyone else's live feed freezing often (during Sproul)?
 

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Pentecostals who don't embrace heresy like dogs embrace wind in their face during a car ride and actually use discernment once and awhile, are a rare breed and typically not very pentecostal. Most people involved in Pentecostalism are looking for an off the wall experience, and not truth. That's why they will embrace anything that feels good to them, comes in a nice and neat package, or says "it'll all get better, and jesus has your ferrari in the mail".

Also, Pentecostalism isn't a denomination. It's an extra-biblical interpretative system.


[video=youtube;G-V_91c5ojU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-V_91c5ojU[/video]
Fine, Charismatic. But it might not be as rare as you may think.
 

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[video=youtube;l8a4DdqKHno]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8a4DdqKHno#t=520[/video]

Dark Faith: Creflo Dollar, Mike Murdock, Benny Hinn & Friends

ARG.....
 
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Sorry, but...

What??

I'll give it to you some churches are kinda....iffy. And those churches shouldn't even be considered churches. But your link doesn't even go with what I said.
Sorry. :( Let's see what gets exposed at the "Strange Fire" conference...
 
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Fine, Charismatic. But it might not be as rare as you may think.
Yes, it is all too common. I say this with a degree of exasperation.
 
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Pentecostals who don't embrace heresy like dogs embrace wind in their face during a car ride and actually use discernment once and awhile, are a rare breed ....
None of this would have happened if Christians had used the Geneva Bible instead of that modern 1611 translation. :(

The Reformed Reader introduction to the geneva bible for the historic Baptist faith.

This is why the Geneva Bible annoyed King James I. The Geneva Bible had marginal notes that simply didn't conform to that point of view. Those marginal notes had been, to a great extent placed in the Geneva Bible by the leaders of the Reformation including John Knox and John Calvin. Knox and Calvin could not and cannot be dismissed lightly or their opinions passed off to the public as the mere dithering of dissidents.
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After several generations of English speakers grew up without the stabilizing influence of the Geneva marginal notes, the "interpret it any way you want" school of thought came into fashion. The "charismatic" movement was in full swing by 1730.
 

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Yes, it is all too common. I say this with a degree of exasperation.
I get it, Charismatic churches can be fake, even be demonic. Some have accepted the prosperity name-it-and-claim it doctrine. But not all of them. And maybe we could pray for those churches instead of bashing them. That is all. I'm not wasting any more time in this thread.
 

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Live Stream

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so far:

Wednesday, October 16, 2013 PDT
8:00 a.m.Campus open
10:00 a.m.General Session 1: John MacArthur
11:30 a.m.Lunch
1:30 p.m.General Session 2: Joni Eareckson-Tada (testimony), R.C. Sproul (by video)
2:45 p.m.Break
3:15 p.m.General Session 3: Steve Lawson

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they are laying the groundwork, presumably.
no real issues with the apparent primacy of calvinism - h'obviously the hosts and speakers are calvinists, and it can only be good to remind their audience (worldwide) of the reformation...:)

but i've found this a tad disappointing so far:rolleyes:

...

tomorrow looks Fab:

Thursday, October 17, 2013
9:00 a.m.General Session 5: John MacArthur
10:15 a.m.Break
10:45 a.m.General Session 6: Tom Pennington
12:00 p.m.Lunch
2:00 p.m.Breakout Session 1: Nathan Busenitz, Phil Johnson, Justin Peters
3:15 p.m.Break
3:45 p.m.Panel Q&A 1: Todd Friel with John MacArthur, Steve Lawson, Tom Pennington, Justin Peters
5:00 p.m.Dinner
7:00 p.m.General Session 7: Steve Lawson

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thoughts to this point, folks?
 
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Michael Brown of Charisma magazine is calling on John MacArthur to humble himself.

MacArthur is about to start a conference called "Strange Fire". It's an expose of sorts of the Charasmatic movement.

Here is the article.



A Final Appeal to Pastor John MacArthur on the Eve of His 'Strange Fire' Conference

As I write these words, the Holy Spiritis moving mightily around the earth, saving lost sinners, bringing rebels to repentance, healing sick bodies, setting captives free and, above all, glorifying the name of Jesus. According to pastor John MacArthur, however, this is actually “a farce and a scam.” In his new book Strange Fire, he claims that this work of the Spirit actually represents “the explosive growth of a false church, as dangerous as any cult or heresy that has ever assaulted Christianity,” and he calls for a “collective war” against these alleged “pervasive abuses on the Spirit of God.”


Yes, Pastor MacArthur has branded the charismatic movement a “false church” and is calling for an all-out war against it.
For a man of his stature, a man who has done so much good for the body of Christ, this is a tragic error, a decided step in the wrong direction and a rejection of both the testimony of the written Word and the work of the Spirit today.For the last several months, I have requested a face-to-face meeting with Pastor MacArthur to discuss our differences, but that request has been denied (either by him or by his team). Tomorrow, Oct. 16, he will begin a three-day “Strange Fire” conference, preparing the way for the release of his book next month.


(I received an advanced review copy from the publisher; all quotes here are from the introduction and should be checked against the final text of the book.)
In this book, Pastor MacArthur argues, “The ‘Holy Spirit’ found in the vast majority of charismatic teaching and practice bears no resemblance to the true Spirit of God as revealed in Scripture,” even accusing the modern charismatic movement of “attributing the work of the devil to the Holy Spirit.”In fact, he claims that leaders of the movement are “Satan’s false teachers, marching to the beat of their own illicit desires, gladly propagat[ing] his errors. They are spiritual swindlers, con men, crooks, and charlatans.”This is divisive and destructive language based on misinformation and exaggeration, as Pastor MacArthur attributes the extreme errors of a tiny minority to countless hundreds of thousands of godly leaders worldwide.

I have worked side by side with some of these fine men and women myself, precious saints who have risked their lives for the name of Jesus, giving themselves sacrificially to touch a hurting and dying world with the gospel, literally shedding their blood rather than compromise their testimonies—yet an internationally recognized pastor calls many of them “Satan’s false teachers ... spiritual swindlers, con men, crooks, and charlatans.”
May the Lord forgive him for these rash words.


He claims, “As a movement, they have persistently ignored the truth about the Holy Spirit and with reckless license set up an idol spirit in the house of God, blaspheming the third member of the Trinity in His own name.”
So Pastor MacArthur, in writing and obviously with much forethought, is accusing hundreds of millions of believers of blaspheming the Spirit, thereby pronouncing them to be sinners damned to hell, since blasphemy of the Spirit is an unforgivable sin (Mark 3:29).Words fail to express how grievous this is.

He claims, “In recent history, no other movement has done more to damage the cause of the gospel, to distort the truth, and to smother the articulation of sound doctrine,” going as far as to say that “charismatic theology has made no contribution to true biblical theology or interpretation; rather, it represents a deviant mutation of truth.”
Aside from the sweeping inaccuracy of these charges—just a reading of one book, like Dr. Gordon Fee’s 992-page volume God's Empowering Presence: The Holy Spirit in the Letters of Paul, demolishes his position—what is truly painful is the knowledge that Pastor MacArthur's conference and book will do far more harm than good, driving hungry believers away from the Spirit’s work today and failing to bring needed correction to the real abuses that do exist because he has so overstated his case.


Although it would take a short book to respond to Pastor MacArthur’sStrange Fire, here are five rebuttals that need to be made:
1) Pastor MacArthur draws attention to bizarre practices like “toking the Ghost” (as in “getting high on the Holy Ghost”) or barking like dogs, things I have never seen in 42 years in charismatic-Pentecostal circles around the world and, in reality, practices that are no more representative of charismatics than Fred Phelps of Westboro Baptist Church and his “God Hates Fags” signs are representative of Baptists.


Those reading MacArthur's book, however, would come to the completely erroneous conclusion that such bizarre, virtually unheard-of practices were the norm.
2) Pastor MacArthur points to some of the shameful, inexcusable scandals that have taken place among charismatic leaders, using this as proof that the Holy Spirit is not at work in our midst. Aside from the fact that Paul knew better than to do with this the Corinthians—he recognized what the Spirit was doing while correcting their errors and fleshly sins—Pastor MacArthur fails to realize these scandals are connected to celebrity and pride more than charismatic doctrines and practices.He also fails to realize that charismatic and Pentecostal leaders have addressed these issues for decades (until this day)—he wrongly claims that virtually no one dares to correct these abuses—and, more importantly, he downplays the many scandals that have plagued cessationist leaders as well.


(There is even a website devoted to exposing Southern Baptist sexual predators.)
3) While attributing gross doctrinal error to charismatics—in a pre-conference video, pastor Steve Lawson claims the fundamental problem with charismatics is their lack of serious engagement with the Word—Pastor MacArthur himself is guilty of poor exegesis of the scriptural passages that point to the ongoing, miraculous work of the Spirit today.He also ignores the fact that the great majority of those opposing his message on “lordship salvation” are cessationists, many of them preaching a very loose “once saved, always saved” doctrine that Pastor MacArthur himself opposes.4) In his own pre-conference video, Pastor MacArthur makes the absolutely false claim that 90 percent of charismatics worldwide are Word of Faith—it is actually a fairly small percentage, one which includes almost none of the major Pentecostal denominations. And so he mistakenly attributes an extreme prosperity doctrine to the vast majority of charismatics worldwide (meaning, the false belief that Jesus died to make us rich, as opposed to the true belief that God meets the needs of His people and blesses us to be a blessing to others).


Pastor MacArthur also takes the poorly chosen (or downright erroneous) words of a few Word of Faith leaders regarding the deity of Jesus and claims that this represents most (or all) charismatics. Again, nothing could be further from the truth.
5) The subtitle of Pastor MacArthur’s book is “The Danger of Offending theHoly Spirit With Counterfeit Worship,” yet it is the charismatic movement worldwide that is frequently the most devoted to worship, producing a steady flow of powerful new hymns and songs and hosting gatherings that last for hours or days, just devoted to worship and adoration of the Lord.


But because these gatherings are marked by biblically based displays of emotion and joy and passion, Pastor MacArthur writes them off as aberrant.
In the end, what saddens me the most is that this servant of the Lord fails to recognize what the Spirit is doing today. And so, rather than joining with his charismatic brothers and sisters to help spark renewal in the many dead and dying churches (many of them cessationist!) and to help reclaim the younger generation with the realities of a risen Savior, Pastor MacArthur has placed himself in opposition to much of the Spirit’s work, thereby hindering the spread of the gospel more than helping it.This also means he will not be able to help us rebuke error and deception and abuse, since he will turn off his intended audience with his inaccurate claims and extreme rhetoric.


And so, even though it seems futile at this point, once again, on the eve of the "Strange Fire" conference, I appeal to Pastor MacArthur to reconsider his ways, to re-examine what the Word really says about these issues, to travel to the nations and see firsthand what the Spirit is doing, and to sit with charismatic leaders to seek the Lord together for His best for the church and the world.
It’s not too late, sir, to humble yourself under God’s mighty hand, and I humble myself before you as I write these words, reaching out to you once more in the name of Jesus and urging you to recognize and embrace the Spirit’s true fire today.

I don't see anything here really substantive in this - There are charismatic churches that preach prosperity Gospels, snake handling, slain in the spirit, second baptism - where there is a second class christian, and other strange things. People are also easily brainwashed if emotions are amped up, like say in a concert with worship music playing and leading others by emotion only rather than grounded teaching in the Word.

While I wouldn't agree with everything MacAurthur says but there should be concern for every kind of thing that can do harm to another person. Ephesians 4:1-6 is a good list of majors of scripture.

Why isn't Johnnie Erickson-tada getting healed? she must not have enough faith - now that's damaging
 
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I think he just denies holy laughter, barking like a dog, convulsing, and attributing all that to the Holy Spirit. He also seems to deny people who make things up in their heads, utter it, then attribute it to the Holy Spirit.
​He is a cessationist, yes?
 
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Pentecostals who don't embrace heresy like dogs embrace wind in their face during a car ride and actually use discernment once and awhile, are a rare breed and typically not very pentecostal. Most people involved in Pentecostalism are looking for an off the wall experience, and not truth. That's why they will embrace anything that feels good to them, comes in a nice and neat package, or says "it'll all get better, and jesus has your ferrari in the mail".

Also, Pentecostalism isn't a denomination. It's an extra-biblical interpretative system.


[video=youtube;G-V_91c5ojU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-V_91c5ojU[/video]
Wow. How many churches did you go to to find that out? 1? 2 maybe? Or did you stay home & watch TV? :p