Capital punishment for or against ?
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Yeah, I believe murderers should be executed by the state (on the testimony of 2 or more witnesses, with false witnesses subject to the same punishment as the convicted). Unfortunately, whilst the communists and other assorted villains were taking over the world, they didn't like the idea of their agents being apprehended, tried and shot, so they generally outlawed capital punishment wherever possible. The result is that communism, and villainy in general, is now a much safer and more profitable career choice. (I don't believe the church should stone anyone, though).
Romans 13:3 - 4 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Romans 13:3 - 4 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
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Murders should be excecuted ! Whats your thought on what the bible says 
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We are lucky that we were not born in the family where they were born, we did not go thru things which they went through...
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Their victims also lost that same chance. What makes the murderer more important than his victim?
If the murderer repents, God can still forgive. To satisfy justice for the victim though, the life of the murderer must be forfeit.
If you believe in luck, you could also say that you were lucky you were not born into a family who'd had one of their family murdered. Indeed, if there is no capital punishment, you might be luckier being born into a murderer's family, than into the family of one of their victims.
If the murderer repents, God can still forgive. To satisfy justice for the victim though, the life of the murderer must be forfeit.
If you believe in luck, you could also say that you were lucky you were not born into a family who'd had one of their family murdered. Indeed, if there is no capital punishment, you might be luckier being born into a murderer's family, than into the family of one of their victims.
Two passages of Scripture for your consideration.........then YOU tell me.........
1.) But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2.) And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, andbrought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
3.) But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to theHoly Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4.) Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it notin thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thouhast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5.) And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and greatfear came on all them that heard these things.
6.) And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7.) And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowingwhat was done, came in.
8.) And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much?And she said, Yea, for so much.
9.) Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to temptthe Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husbandare at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10.) Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: andthe young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried herby her husband.
1 .) It is reported commonly that there isfornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named amongthe Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 .) And ye are puffed up, and have not rathermourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 .) For I verily, as absent in body, but presentin spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him thathath so done this deed,
4 .) In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when yeare gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 .) To deliver such an one unto Satan for thedestruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the LordJesus.
6 .) Your glorying is not good. Know ye not thata little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 .) Purge out therefore the old leaven, that yemay be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover issacrificed for us:
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1.) But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2.) And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, andbrought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
3.) But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to theHoly Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4.) Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it notin thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thouhast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5.) And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and greatfear came on all them that heard these things.
6.) And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7.) And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowingwhat was done, came in.
8.) And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much?And she said, Yea, for so much.
9.) Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to temptthe Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husbandare at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10.) Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: andthe young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried herby her husband.
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1 .) It is reported commonly that there isfornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named amongthe Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 .) And ye are puffed up, and have not rathermourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 .) For I verily, as absent in body, but presentin spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him thathath so done this deed,
4 .) In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when yeare gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 .) To deliver such an one unto Satan for thedestruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the LordJesus.
6 .) Your glorying is not good. Know ye not thata little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 .) Purge out therefore the old leaven, that yemay be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover issacrificed for us:
Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Act 25:10 Then said Paul, I stand at Caesar's judgment seat, where I ought to be judged: to the Jews have I done no wrong, as thou very well knowest.
Act 25:11 For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die: but if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them. I appeal unto Caesar.
The bible does not oppose capital punishment so if the government sanctions its use, our duty as citizens is to accept it.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Act 25:10 Then said Paul, I stand at Caesar's judgment seat, where I ought to be judged: to the Jews have I done no wrong, as thou very well knowest.
Act 25:11 For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die: but if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them. I appeal unto Caesar.
The bible does not oppose capital punishment so if the government sanctions its use, our duty as citizens is to accept it.
"Yeah, I believe murderers should be executed by the state (on the testimony of 2 or more witnesses, with false witnesses subject to the same punishment as the convicted)."
Well, what is murder as defining it will better equip understanding of its nature and perhaps our general approach to the subject. Well, the act of homicide means the taking of a human life. However this is just the act, or the actus reus in legal terms. For murder as well as the accompanying homicidal act there also needs to be an actual intent to commit said act, or in the Latin, Mens Rea. The problem is the grey areas; what may be arguably murder to one person could be different to another. Murder is the state's definition, ie it's the prosecution's job to prove murder whereas the defendent's attorney's job is to prove it is either not murder or other lesser offence albeit still serious. What about self defence? A scenario which asks us to consider this may be a family member encounters a burglary and to protect his family he shoots an intruder. Is this still murder? At what point would it be murder or alternatively what point would it change to said lesser offence albeit serious such as manslaughter or other? The likelihood is what the state regards initially as murder will be reduced to the lesser alternative in many cases, why because it would not be justiable if the law were just black and white without any grey areas, ie things which make it too complex to categorise an offence as murder and the consequence of depriving life, ie prison for the other.
"Unfortunately, whilst the communists and other assorted villains were taking over the world, they didn't like the idea of their agents being apprehended, tried and shot, so they generally outlawed capital punishment wherever possible. The result is that communism, and villainy in general, is now a much safer and more profitable career choice. (I don't believe the church should stone anyone, though)."
The subject matter here is communism although the law is still operational under communist or capitalist societies. Capitalism and law will have relatively more laws, ie rules which govern its societies. In simple terms communism means a society that shares everything. In contrast, capitalism means the right to own goods coupled with the right to earn as much money as possible without the state intervening. It is generally in the interest of Western countries to make communism a deviant ideology. How we view the church and or the bible is nevertheless relative to the society which we live, ie the communist or capitalist societies. In Acts, the Holy Spirit, it could be said, was saying Christians should share so that each has enough. On the other hand, the rules of capitalism are more obvious for Christians in practise, why because this is what we practise on a daily basis. For instace, we go to work and each is paid according to his responsibilities or qualifications. These are just two basic strands for either side.
Well, what is murder as defining it will better equip understanding of its nature and perhaps our general approach to the subject. Well, the act of homicide means the taking of a human life. However this is just the act, or the actus reus in legal terms. For murder as well as the accompanying homicidal act there also needs to be an actual intent to commit said act, or in the Latin, Mens Rea. The problem is the grey areas; what may be arguably murder to one person could be different to another. Murder is the state's definition, ie it's the prosecution's job to prove murder whereas the defendent's attorney's job is to prove it is either not murder or other lesser offence albeit still serious. What about self defence? A scenario which asks us to consider this may be a family member encounters a burglary and to protect his family he shoots an intruder. Is this still murder? At what point would it be murder or alternatively what point would it change to said lesser offence albeit serious such as manslaughter or other? The likelihood is what the state regards initially as murder will be reduced to the lesser alternative in many cases, why because it would not be justiable if the law were just black and white without any grey areas, ie things which make it too complex to categorise an offence as murder and the consequence of depriving life, ie prison for the other.
"Unfortunately, whilst the communists and other assorted villains were taking over the world, they didn't like the idea of their agents being apprehended, tried and shot, so they generally outlawed capital punishment wherever possible. The result is that communism, and villainy in general, is now a much safer and more profitable career choice. (I don't believe the church should stone anyone, though)."
The subject matter here is communism although the law is still operational under communist or capitalist societies. Capitalism and law will have relatively more laws, ie rules which govern its societies. In simple terms communism means a society that shares everything. In contrast, capitalism means the right to own goods coupled with the right to earn as much money as possible without the state intervening. It is generally in the interest of Western countries to make communism a deviant ideology. How we view the church and or the bible is nevertheless relative to the society which we live, ie the communist or capitalist societies. In Acts, the Holy Spirit, it could be said, was saying Christians should share so that each has enough. On the other hand, the rules of capitalism are more obvious for Christians in practise, why because this is what we practise on a daily basis. For instace, we go to work and each is paid according to his responsibilities or qualifications. These are just two basic strands for either side.
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I prefer the biblical definition for murder. It is broader in scope, and doesn't really leave room for excuses.
Forget the fancy definitions. Communism is when the people have no land rights. Freedom, (true capitalism, not this phoney corporatism we have today), is when they do. The power to tax is the power to destroy. If people are forced to pay land taxes to keep their land, it is not truly theirs, and I don't think such a society can accurately be described as free. Eventually, it will become more and more communist.
Forget the fancy definitions. Communism is when the people have no land rights. Freedom, (true capitalism, not this phoney corporatism we have today), is when they do. The power to tax is the power to destroy. If people are forced to pay land taxes to keep their land, it is not truly theirs, and I don't think such a society can accurately be described as free. Eventually, it will become more and more communist.
[h=3]Genesis 9[/h][SUP]5 [/SUP]And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
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Their victims also lost that same chance. What makes the murderer more important than his victim?
If the murderer repents, God can still forgive. To satisfy justice for the victim though, the life of the murderer must be forfeit.
If you believe in luck, you could also say that you were lucky you were not born into a family who'd had one of their family murdered. Indeed, if there is no capital punishment, you might be luckier being born into a murderer's family, than into the family of one of their victims.
If the murderer repents, God can still forgive. To satisfy justice for the victim though, the life of the murderer must be forfeit.
If you believe in luck, you could also say that you were lucky you were not born into a family who'd had one of their family murdered. Indeed, if there is no capital punishment, you might be luckier being born into a murderer's family, than into the family of one of their victims.
Ac 22:4 And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.
Ac 8:1 . And Saul was consenting (having pleasure) unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
1Ti 1:15 This [is] a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Ac26:11 And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled [them] to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted [them] even unto strange cities.
Ga 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews'religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
beyond measure- exceedingly, out of measure, excellency etc..
What would have happened if some one from the church would have killed Paul, for doing all these to the church?Dont know whether Paul killed anyone because the bible doesnt say anything abt it, but he was a murderer according to the law of God because
1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer:......
We say murderers should be executed because we hate them. Indirectly we are becoming murderer because we hate them.
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If God had wanted to rescue Paul from execution, there's not a man on Earth who would have been able to smite him.
No. I say murderers should be executed by the state because that is justice. It has nothing to do with hate. If I hated them, I would ask for them to be tortured or burned to death (if not indefinitely), or demand that they have no rights to speak to Christians prior to execution to obtain salvation.
Don't mistake justice for hatred. God doesn't hate men when He sends them to Hell. But He is a just God, and that is what we deserve, without Christ's saving blood.
We say murderers should be executed because we hate them. Indirectly we are becoming murderer because we hate them.
Don't mistake justice for hatred. God doesn't hate men when He sends them to Hell. But He is a just God, and that is what we deserve, without Christ's saving blood.
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I take this question to mean is it God's desire that Christians should execute murderers today. If it is biblical then should I living in Canada, where there is no capital punishment, become involved in reinstituting capital punishment? If the Canadian government should decide to call for a referendum to either vote for or against capital punishment for murder should I vote for or against capital punishment?
I asked myself a question. Am I a follower of Jesus or a follower of the god of this world? Will I or any Christian change the will of God? Who has changed the will of God? My earthly citizenship may be in Canada and I will follow it's laws as scripture says but there is a greater citizenship the laws of which are forever.
I asked myself a question. Am I a follower of Jesus or a follower of the god of this world? Will I or any Christian change the will of God? Who has changed the will of God? My earthly citizenship may be in Canada and I will follow it's laws as scripture says but there is a greater citizenship the laws of which are forever.
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Sometimes I am against it. It costs more than life in cell and now and then they kill an innocent person. Then when I hear stories like the man who married a woman so he could have sexual access to her three daughters and rapped them for 8 years, sometimes 6 times in a nite. Yep, that is when I want the death penalty to apply to savages like that.
I think we do need to obey the laws of our land. But in a democracy, that means the citizens at some point should have the right to decide what those laws are esp. concerning murder.
I would be in favor of mass murders being put to death. Not murder for crimes of passion. I was in a church a long time ago with a prison ministry. It was run by a man who had been in for murder, and he got saved and was so faithful to preach the gospel in every prison in the area. Had that man been put to death, that ministry would have never happened.
I agree that it costs less to keep someone in a high security cell in Canada than to actually put them to death. But Canada is much to lenient on what a "life" sentence means. It is 20 years in Canada, with good behavior, 10 years. This means child murder Clifford Olson is long past that time. Every year he got a parole board hearing in Ottawa, and all the families had to fly from Vancouver across the country to testify and relive the horror of what his murders did to their lives. I think he is now a "dangerous" offender, and he no longer gets these parole hearings. After serial murdering at least 11 children, I think he has no rights except to sit in jail and rot.
As for the death penalty and the Bible, well from Joshua on, people were put to death just for the gods they worshiped. And that was God's will. One Old Testament example:
“Whoever takes a human life shall surely be put to death" Lev. 24:17
But the New Testament takes a different approach:
"Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” Romans 12:29
"Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword." Matt. 26:52
Perhaps we should follow this proverb:
"Hatred stirs up strife, but love covers all offenses." Prov. 10:12
Difficult, when such strong emotions are involved to decide which way the Bible goes! Esp. when it the state makes the ultimate decision.
I would be in favor of mass murders being put to death. Not murder for crimes of passion. I was in a church a long time ago with a prison ministry. It was run by a man who had been in for murder, and he got saved and was so faithful to preach the gospel in every prison in the area. Had that man been put to death, that ministry would have never happened.
I agree that it costs less to keep someone in a high security cell in Canada than to actually put them to death. But Canada is much to lenient on what a "life" sentence means. It is 20 years in Canada, with good behavior, 10 years. This means child murder Clifford Olson is long past that time. Every year he got a parole board hearing in Ottawa, and all the families had to fly from Vancouver across the country to testify and relive the horror of what his murders did to their lives. I think he is now a "dangerous" offender, and he no longer gets these parole hearings. After serial murdering at least 11 children, I think he has no rights except to sit in jail and rot.
As for the death penalty and the Bible, well from Joshua on, people were put to death just for the gods they worshiped. And that was God's will. One Old Testament example:
“Whoever takes a human life shall surely be put to death" Lev. 24:17
But the New Testament takes a different approach:
"Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” Romans 12:29
"Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword." Matt. 26:52
Perhaps we should follow this proverb:
"Hatred stirs up strife, but love covers all offenses." Prov. 10:12
Difficult, when such strong emotions are involved to decide which way the Bible goes! Esp. when it the state makes the ultimate decision.
Murders should be excecuted ! Whats your thought on what the bible says Blessss to all on CC
Blessss to all on CC