The Origin of the Wedding Ring. Some of you ain't gonna like dis...

[marrion]

ISDANIEL I Timothy 2:9 admonishes “that women adorn themselves in modest apparel with shamedfacedness and sobriety, NOT with broided hair, gold, or pearls, or costly array."

[SUP]I Peter 3:3
3 [/SUP]Whose adorning let it NOT be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;[SUP]4 [/SUP]But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

The bottom line is that I love my sisters in Christ and I would rather encourage them and advise them to be closer to Gods commands,principles and instructions in holiness and Godly apparel then further away.
Loving someone is wanting the greatest good for them both physically and spiritually so regardless of if im labeled a legalist or self righteous I know one day when I am judged I will not have to explain to Jesus that while witnessing about him and discussing him with others I told them that they did not have to adhere to certain new testament instructions in Godly apparel and outward holiness.
God is interested in both our inward and outward holiness and will judge us concerning both by his word.

 

[SirLucan]

Originally Posted by Hizikyah

lol, NO... that is idolatry. I actually lost a friend over this, because i said I disagree with these things, he replied " but how will people know we are christian?" I replied "by our actions and our firm stance against sin" He quit coming around me...



Im confused? In the past I have sinned many times, and do not want to do these things any longer or again. but in this situation I talked about I said crosses, easter, mary images, etc are pagan, and my friend didnt want to hear it. how did I do wrong ON THIS ACCOUNT?

Here's your post: "lol, NO... that is idolatry. I actually lost a friend over this, because i said I disagree with these things, he replied " but how will people know we are christian?" I replied "by our actions and our firm stance against sin" He quit coming around me..."

I was making a joke. You told him to take firm stance against. His reponse . . . he quit coming around you.

Just making a joke. Sorry.

 

[Elizabeth619]

ISDANIEL I Timothy 2:9 admonishes “that women adorn themselves in modest apparel with shamedfacedness and sobriety, NOT with broided hair, gold, or pearls, or costly array."

[SUP]I Peter 3:3
3 [/SUP]Whose adorning let it NOT be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;[SUP]4 [/SUP]But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

The bottom line is that I love my sisters in Christ and I would rather encourage them and advise them to be closer to Gods commands,principles and instructions in holiness and Godly apparel then further away.
Loving someone is wanting the greatest good for them both physically and spiritually so regardless of if im labeled a legalist or self righteous I know one day when I am judged I will not have to explain to Jesus that while witnessing about him and discussing him with others I told them that they did not have to adhere to certain new testament instructions in Godly apparel and outward holiness.
God is interested in both our inward and outward holiness and will judge us concerning both by his word.

The thing is throwing away jewelry isn't what makes one closer to God. I rarely wear jewelry. Does that make me look more Christian bc I don't have a necklace on?

 

[Hizikyah]

Here's your post: "lol, NO... that is idolatry. I actually lost a friend over this, because i said I disagree with these things, he replied " but how will people know we are christian?" I replied "by our actions and our firm stance against sin" He quit coming around me..."

I was making a joke. You told him to take firm stance against. His reponse . . . he quit coming around you.

Just making a joke. Sorry.

my fault I misunderstood, many people on this site (MANY not any single person) and in the world act like standing against sin is judgement, self-righteous, etc..

standing against sin is a job for followers of Yahshua

how upside down is this world where the ones accepting sin are the loving ones and the ones standing against sin are the UN-loving ones??????

Leviticus 19:17, ""'You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him."

 

[Hizikyah]

Isayah 5:20, "Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteousness evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

 

[Isdaniel]

Hmm i beg to disagree the wearing of jewelry is not condemmed Paul is just making an analogy [SUP]of we should value the inward beauty and not the outward more . Note he speaks about the heart as follows.

[/SUP][SUP]But let it be the hidden man of the heart, which is worth more than jewerlry

Then women should not wear clothes ( apparel ) but walk naked hmmmmmmm [/SUP]and not plate their hair sarcarsm
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I Peter 3:3
3 [/SUP]Whose adorning let it NOT be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel

 

[Elizabeth619]

FYI, A Christian rebuke is not to be done by an individual but elders or leaders of the church. Rebuking involves having witnesses and counseling. One person disagreeing with another isn't a rebuke. Then, after a rebuke you're to have nothing to to with them til the sinner repents.

Pharisees kept to the law and pointed fingers to make themselves look better to others. Jesus called them a brood of vipers. I see quite a bit of poison in this thread

 

[Isdaniel]

Who is greater Jesus or man
Probaly some people want to tell Jesus he should not wear jewelry or a crown

Revelation 19
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Who is greater Jesus or man
Probaly some people want to tell Jesus he should not wear jewelry or a crown

Revelation 19
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

I can see that.

 

[marrion]

Elizabeth jewelry can be considered as an idol on ones body so yes if one decides to throw it off and discontinue wearing it I believe it can bring them close to God so long as they are doing it from the heart.
I am sure there are women who look holy on the outside but are still unconverted on the inside and they have tried to be converted from the outside in which is of course the wrong way to do it,
However I assume I am talking with converted born again holy ghost filled christians who do not want any idols weather it be on their person or not coming in between their relationship with God.
This goes for men too.
I used to wear a ring and a neckless but it never lasted very long because it just felt so weird.
I was doing it so I could be like the world and there was pride behind it so I took them off.
There was also a sense of competition behind this too where I have seen former friends of mine do this to see who can get the shiniest most expensive jewelry to attract more women.
The new testament instructions show us that there is nothing Godly about wearing jewelry and we are to separate ourselves from the world and things of the world which include the pride of life,lust of the eyes and the lust of the flesh.
We are also called to be living epistles read of all people, declaring to the world God’s holy nature and His abiding presence.(II Corinthians 3:3).
Our outward appearance is one way in which we are unspoken witness of the transforming power of Christ.
I want people to be able to distinguish between me and a worldly person by the way im dressed AND the way I act and treat them not because I am better than them but because I want them to know God can change us BOTH inside and outside.
Imagine if I come out of my house with sagging pants,an earing in both ears and a tattoo on my bicep and I try to be a witness for Christ.
I will be showing people that God can only convert their heart and does not care about their outward appearance which would be a false representation of the transforming power of God.

 

[Hizikyah]

FYI, A Christian rebuke is not to be done by an individual but elders or leaders of the church. Rebuking involves having witnesses and counseling. One person disagreeing with another isn't a rebuke. Then, after a rebuke you're to have nothing to to with them til the sinner repents.

Pharisees kept to the law and pointed fingers to make themselves look better to others. Jesus called them a brood of vipers. I see quite a bit of poison in this thread

the pharisees DID NOT KEEP YAHWEH'S Law....this is stated OVER AND OVER AND OVER in the NT...they made their own law and enforced it as divine.

The "rabbis" interpret Scripture by something called Midrashic interpretation, which ignores language and ignores context. They say Scripture is a divne code and only the rabbis have the knowledge to decipher that divine code. Here is an ACTUAL example of Midrashic interpretation used by the rabbis:

Deuteronomy 30:11-13, "For this Law which I command you this day is not hidden from you, nor is it beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask; Who will ascend up into heaven for us, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it? Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask; Who will cross the sea, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it?"

After Midrashic interpretation is applied, they come out with : "‘It is not in heaven.’4 What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice" (Baba Metzia 59b)

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"

REBUKE = 2008. epitimaó
Original Word: ἐπιτιμάω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: epitimaó
Phonetic Spelling: (ep-ee-tee-mah'-o)
Short Definition: I rebuke, chide, admonish, warn
Definition: (a) I rebuke, chide, admonish, (b) I warn

Titus 1:9, "Holding fast the teaching according to the faithful word in order that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and to refute those who contradict."

2 Timothy 4:2-3, "Preach the word Be instant; ready to take your positions in season, out of season. Reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts they will heap to themselves teachers, who will tickle their ears."

Luke 17:3-4, "So be on your guard! If your brother trespasses against you, rebuke him! But if he repents, forgive him! And if he trespasses against you seven times in one day, and seven times in that day turns to you, and says; I repent; then you must forgive him."

 

[marrion]

isdaniel I believe peter is referring to COSTLY apparel and that women should wear modest clothing.

 

[danschance]

According to Pastor Chuck Smith the origin of giving a ring as a promise comes from the bible.

In the story of Judah and his daughter-in-law. Judah gives Tamar, who disguised herself as a temple prostitute accepted Judah's signet ring, cord and staff as a promise to be paid two goats for sex.

15When Judah saw her, he thought she was a harlot, for she had covered her face. 16So he turned aside to her by the road, and said, “Here now, let me come in to you”; for he did not know that she was his daughter-in-law. And she said, “What will you give me, that you may come in to me?” 17He said, therefore, “I will send you a young goat from the flock.” She said, moreover, “Will you give a pledge until you send it?” 18He said, “What pledge shall I give you?” And she said, “Your seal [signet ring] and your cord, and your staff that is in your hand.” So he gave them to her and went in to her, and she conceived by him. 19Then she arose and departed, and removed her veil and put on her widow’s garments. Genesis 38:15-19

 

[Isdaniel]

isdaniel I believe peter is referring to COSTLY apparel and that women should wear modest clothing.

hmmm you don't get it he was saying the heart has more value hence he hilighted the words costly

hmmm some one can wear clothes that are not COSTLY and still not dress modestly .

hmm lets see if he had substitute the word Costly and put in poor or not expensive apparel and sees if that makes sense

 

[Isdaniel]

costly apparel is not immodest wear

 

[zone]

Interesting study.
what makes it more interesting is that a sister in Christ told me about a visitation she had with Jesus and he pretty much told her the same thing you are saying about the wedding ring.
Not only did Jesus tell her about the wedding ring but he told the sister to tell the women to not wear any jewelry and to also remove other things from off their persons.
Quite a few are having such visitations and Jesus told them that the reason he is giving them these corrections is because if the rapture had come only few of them would have been raptured.
He said although they loved him and were serving him they were doing this in vain because they were not holy in his eyes because of these things they were wearing.
He is showing mercy by correcting them before his soon return so that they will be able to go in the rapture.
They are spreading the message worldwide and are undergoing a lot of persecution and ridicule even death threats.
The cool thing is that Jesus gave them both old and new testament scripture to support what he told them so they would be able to convince people who did not believe they had this experience.
They also say that Christianity in America has tried to make the narrow road broader so that more people could fit onto it without having to live in both inward and outward holiness.
Their testimonies are quite inspiring while frightening and it lets me know that America is in need of a major holiness revival.

we'll miss the rapture because we're wearing jewellery?

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marrion, no one is receiving personal visits from Jesus instructing them about the rapture.

 

[Isdaniel]

A person can dress in costly apparel and yet dress modest hmmm brand name things for the saints of God the best of the best God has promised me

 

[Elizabeth619]

Pardon me! Typing from a phone makes things difficult from time to time, Pharisees didnt pactice what they preach.
My mistake


Titus 3:9-19 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them.


Im sure continuing to argue over and over again with the same person isn't too "law abiding" either. Therefore I am done discussing this with one inparticular.

 

[zone]

ISDANIEL I Timothy 2:9 admonishes “that women adorn themselves in modest apparel with shamedfacedness and sobriety, NOT with broided hair, gold, or pearls, or costly array."

[SUP]I Peter 3:3
3 [/SUP]Whose adorning let it NOT be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;[SUP]4 [/SUP]But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

The bottom line is that I love my sisters in Christ and I would rather encourage them and advise them to be closer to Gods commands,principles and instructions in holiness and Godly apparel then further away.
Loving someone is wanting the greatest good for them both physically and spiritually so regardless of if im labeled a legalist or self righteous I know one day when I am judged I will not have to explain to Jesus that while witnessing about him and discussing him with others I told them that they did not have to adhere to certain new testament instructions in Godly apparel and outward holiness.
God is interested in both our inward and outward holiness and will judge us concerning both by his word.

i would be more concerned about making claims that Jesus is visiting people talking about the rapture.

 

[Isdaniel]

we'll miss the rapture because we're wearing jewellery?

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marrion, no one is receiving personal visits from Jesus instructing them about the rapture.

coollllll