The Origin of the Wedding Ring. Some of you ain't gonna like dis...

[marrion]

kohenmatt this is how satan deceives people by making them worship him while thinking they are worshipping Christ.
I think that a Christian who KNOWS that the origin of something is rooted in paganism and the worship of false Gods should not attempt to use that same ceremony to worship or celebrate Christ.
If they do not know and are genuinely trying to worship or celebrate God then I believe our Lord is compassionate and faithful enough to lead them to the light and truth of the matter.

 

[Isdaniel]

Interesting study.
what makes it more interesting is that a sister in Christ told me about a visitation she had with Jesus and he pretty much told her the same thing you are saying about the wedding ring.
Not only did Jesus tell her about the wedding ring but he told the sister to tell the women to not wear any jewelry and to also remove other things from off their persons.
Quite a few are having such visitations and Jesus told them that the reason he is giving them these corrections is because if the rapture had come only few of them would have been raptured.
He said although they loved him and were serving him they were doing this in vain because they were not holy in his eyes because of these things they were wearing.
He is showing mercy by correcting them before his soon return so that they will be able to go in the rapture.
They are spreading the message worldwide and are undergoing a lot of persecution and ridicule even death threats.
The cool thing is that Jesus gave them both old and new testament scripture to support what he told them so they would be able to convince people who did not believe they had this experience.
They also say that Christianity in America has tried to make the narrow road broader so that more people could fit onto it without having to live in both inward and outward holiness.
Their testimonies are quite inspiring while frightening and it lets me know that America is in need of a major holiness revival.

i HONESTLY THINK THAT THE STORY OF JESUS VISITATION IS A LIE NO OFFENCE INTENDED

EXODUS 35:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And Moses spake unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, saying, This is the thing which the Lord commanded, saying,

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Take ye from among you an offering unto the Lord: whosoever is of a willing heart, let him bring it, an offering of the Lord; gold, and silver, and brass,

[SUP]20 [/SUP]And all the congregation of the children of Israel departed from the presence of Moses.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And they came, every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing, and they brought the Lord's offering to the work of the tabernacle of the congregation, and for all his service, and for the holy garments.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And they came, both men and women, as many as were willing hearted, and brought bracelets, and earrings, and rings, and tablets, all jewels of gold: and every man that offered offered an offering of gold unto the Lord.

 

[marrion]

chubbena this happened in the old testament.
Surely you know there are new instructions in righteousness in the new testament that clearly speak against the wearing of jewelry?

 

[Isdaniel]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]JUST A THOUGHT FOR MARRION THOSE SISTERS LIED NO DISRESPECT INTENDED
2 Sam. 12:28

Now muster the rest of the troops and besiege the city and capture it. Otherwise I will take the city, and it will be named after me."
29 So David mustered the entire army and went to Rabbah, and attacked and captured it. 30He took the crown from the head of their king --its weight was a talent [75 lbs.,] of gold,and it was set with precious stones --and it was placed on David's head.

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[Elizabeth619]

What no one has even dared to mention is how all things belong to God. What's pagans used or did was a perversion of what is Gods. So the "roots" of things don't start at paganism. They start with God. They later became objects or desires of sin. Pagans took an earth element and brought Zeus into the story. Christians use the same element as a public symbol of matrimony. Next thing you know were are all condemned by the self righteous.

 

[marrion]

isdaniel,ironically you are showing me scripture of the children of Israel REMOVING jewelry from themselves after being asked by Moses to to so and bring as an offering o the Lord.
And how can you classify someones visiation as a lie WHEN YOU HAVENT EVEN HEARD IT OR SEEN IT?
you know nothing of the scriptures that were given to them by Jesus to support what he told them so unless you KNOW ALL SCRIPTURE I would advise you to at LEAST listen to someone before classifying them a liar.
And surely you also know that new testament scripture speaks against the wearing of jewelry?
And surely you also know that God promised to give people dreams and visions in the last days as.
joel 2:28-29 [SUP]28 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

 

[Isdaniel]

chubbena this happened in the old testament.
Surely you know there are new instructions in righteousness in the new testament that clearly speak against the wearing of jewelry?

Where in the new testement forbid wearing jewelry , i cannot find a scripture

 

[Isdaniel]

chubbena this happened in the old testament.
Surely you know there are new instructions in righteousness in the new testament that clearly speak against the wearing of jewelry?

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times]Isa. 61:8 "For I, the LORD, love justice; I hate robbery and iniquity. In my faithfulness I will reward them and make an everlasting covenant with them. 9Their descendants will be known among the nations and their offspring among the peoples. All who see them will acknowledge that they are a people the LORD has blessed." 10I delight greatly in the LORD; my soul rejoices in my God. For he has clothed me with garments of salvation and arrayed me in a robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom adorns his head like a priest, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.

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[SirLucan]

lol, NO... that is idolatry. I actually lost a friend over this, because i said I disagree with these things, he replied " but how will people know we are christian?" I replied "by our actions and our firm stance against sin" He quit coming around me...

Wow! What was your sin?

 

[marrion]

here we go with the insults again.lol.
But Elizabeth you make an interesting point.
If one could determine which of these practices,ceremonies of worship were once used to worship God then im sure they could return to using it in its correct manner.
For example there are many who believe Jesus was born in the springtime because of the presence of shepherds and they actually celebrate Jesus in the springtime.
Easter is a celebration of the resurrection but im not sure about the easter bunny and the eggs part.

 

[LT]

I am going to make up a bunch of stuff right now. If you are prone to argue, ignore me.
ok! on with the glorious fiction:

Wedding rings were invented by the Catholic Church early in the 10th century to combat a rise in the Biblical-Polygamy Cult started by Randy Personguy. It stated that all of the greatest men in the Bible had multiple wives, and the Catholic Church had pushed the pagan tradition of monogamy into Scripture.
The Catholic Church realized that multiple rings on one finger are very uncomfortable, so they introduced the wedding ring custom into their services to dissuade people from marrying multiple times.

 

[SirLucan]

Since there is yet another abundance of "pagan" Holiday threads, and how Halloween, Easter, Christmas...ect is considered a sin in many members here then I think we need to touch on something I have mentioned over and over and over again, but little is said about it. It seems to be just looked over like it doesn't matter.

Do certain "religious" Holidays have roots that are pagan? Yes.
Is it wrong for a Christian to observe these holidays? That is up to you all, and I am not about to judge anyone based on their decisions.

The problem I do have is it seems some feel pagan customs and practices are only tied in Holidays. Well, they don't end there. If you are against holidays then that's fine, but if you are guilty of certain other things that are pagan then you are a hypocrite so that is why I am going to take the time to educate people on the history of the wedding ring. Mainly because many married folk here probably wear one so it will hit home for several. I am not writing this to start trouble or to make others feel guilty, but to show we need to be careful about our behaviors and make sure were aren't judging others when we are just as guilty.

The bible does not say anything about wearing a ring on one's hand to signify marriage so why do we do this?

No one knows for sure how far back the wearing of a ring goes, but it was a prominant thing in Egyptian times and it is believed that is where it originated(Egyptians LOVED their jewelry), and rings worn by pharoah were even mentioned in the bible. Genesis 41:42 "Then Pharaoh took his signet ring from his hand and put it on Joseph’s hand"
I am going to take a wild guess and say that because the Egyptians prided themselves on their gold and jewels is one reason we are told not to adorn ourselves in gold.

Rings are also mentioned in Greek Mythology with the story of Prometheus wanting to steal fire from heaven for earthly use. Long story short...this ticked Zeus off so he tied him in chains. Prometheus broke away leaving one link of the chain on his finger as part of a reminder that he was forever tied to rocks.

Now in Roman times they were considered the first to use rings to "tie" people not only to social classes but as marital partners. During the betrothal ceremony the bridegroom gave a plain iron finger ring to the family of the bride as a symbol of his commitment and financial ability to support the bride. Marriages were not made in heaven but over a negotiating table. Originally the betrothal ceremony was more elaborate and important than the marriage rite, which was a simple fulfillment of the betrothal commitment. It was only much later in Christian history that the ring was made part of the wedding ceremony.

Here is some more info on this topic
A Look at the Wedding Ring


What can we gather from all this information? The wedding ring origin did not derive from Christianity, or Israelites. It seems to come from pagan origins with quite detailed stories and myths. Even if it wasn't pagan origin they still use it today and it is a huge part of their ceremonies. This is really something to consider.
So.... how many think that wedding rings are ok, but celebrating holidays are a sin? What's the difference? They're both pagan aren't they?

Ducats. Time for ducats. Someone said they don't want the ducats I award. What is the origin of ducats? The image on some ducats is Caesar, though somewhat before my time. Should I use Roman coinage or Jewish coinage? Did the pagans, the Romans make the ducats?

Some parents who do not follow the OT want to have their sons circumcised. They don't do that for religious reasons, they do it for other reasons. We can practice things without being tied their origins.

Paul talks about it in Romans.

Can I observe a day without observing it for religious reasons? Yes.

Paganism is all about us. Just don't become a pagan. We are in the world, but we are not of the world.

 

[KohenMatt]

Do people observe Halloween or Christmas to worship Satan just because its roots are pagan? You can't answer that.
What I see is people turning what once may not have been Christian into something as a reminder of God, Jesus, and eternal life.
An object like a Christmas tree, or a Halloween decoration is amoral. Just like a wedding ring. Whatever the meaning is behind it for an individual is what matters. To me it is wrong to promote that observing certain things as "wrong" when you don't know ones heart.

I agree with you to some extent. I know the majority of Christians celebrate Christmas to honor God, and that none of them celebrate Halloween to worship satan (at least I sure hope not!). I respect the fact that much of my family and friends celebrate christmas as a legitimate form of worship. As I've said before, I'm not anyone's Holy Spirit, only He can lay on someone's heart to celebrate or not celebrate it.

What I see is people turning what once may not have been Christian into something as a reminder of God, Jesus, and eternal life.

And I suppose I have a concern with people saying it's ok to take these pagan holidays and traditions and redeem them for God, but it isn't ok for people to take the holidays and traditions found in the Old Testament and use those to worship God. I'm not saying you do this Elizabeth, because our paths haven't crossed too much in this forum, so I don't know much of what you believe. I'm speaking in generalities.

Would anyone be celebrating either of these holidays if they hadn't been started to worship other gods? I still see a difference between doing things that were once done by other nations or groups in daily life, and celebrating and using things that were specifically created and designed to worship another God.

Is there a Biblical precedent or command for God's people to take other forms of worship, traditions or idols and "redeem" them for Godly use and worship?

And again, there is no Biblical command or instruction or example to Christians celebrating these days. It wasn't until after it was created (for pagan practices) that it was celebrated by Christians, but still using the same traditions.

Again, I'm not going to judge anyone if they do or don't, these are just questions and concerns I have. And again, I wasn't anticipating discussing this for another month or so. Early bird gets the worm I suppose.

 

[Elizabeth619]

I am going to make up a bunch of stuff right now. If you are prone to argue, ignore me.
ok! on with the glorious fiction:

Wedding rings were invented by the Catholic Church early in the 10th century to combat a rise in the Biblical-Polygamy Cult started by Randy Personguy. It stated that all of the greatest men in the Bible had multiple wives, and the Catholic Church had pushed the pagan tradition of monogamy into Scripture.
The Catholic Church realized that multiple rings on one finger are very uncomfortable, so they introduced the wedding ring custom into their services to dissuade people from marrying multiple times.

Read your history they were used long before that. The use of them in Christianity may have been implemented then but the wedding ring symbolizing marriage started before Jesus was born.

 

[Hizikyah]

Originally Posted by Hizikyah

lol, NO... that is idolatry. I actually lost a friend over this, because i said I disagree with these things, he replied " but how will people know we are christian?" I replied "by our actions and our firm stance against sin" He quit coming around me...

Wow! What was your sin?

Im confused? In the past I have sinned many times, and do not want to do these things any longer or again. but in this situation I talked about I said crosses, easter, mary images, etc are pagan, and my friend didnt want to hear it. how did I do wrong ON THIS ACCOUNT?

 

[Elizabeth619]

I agree with you to some extent. I know the majority of Christians celebrate Christmas to honor God, and that none of them celebrate Halloween to worship satan (at least I sure hope not!). I respect the fact that much of my family and friends celebrate christmas as a legitimate form of worship. As I've said before, I'm not anyone's Holy Spirit, only He can lay on someone's heart to celebrate or not celebrate it.


And I suppose I have a concern with people saying it's ok to take these pagan holidays and traditions and redeem them for God, but it isn't ok for people to take the holidays and traditions found in the Old Testament and use those to worship God. I'm not saying you do this Elizabeth, because our paths haven't crossed too much in this forum, so I don't know much of what you believe. I'm speaking in generalities.

Would anyone be celebrating either of these holidays if they hadn't been started to worship other gods? I still see a difference between doing things that were once done by other nations or groups in daily life, and celebrating and using things that were specifically created and designed to worship another God.

Is there a Biblical precedent or command for God's people to take other forms of worship, traditions or idols and "redeem" them for Godly use and worship?

And again, there is no Biblical command or instruction or example to Christians celebrating these days. It wasn't until after it was created (for pagan practices) that it was celebrated by Christians, but still using the same traditions.

Again, I'm not going to judge anyone if they do or don't, these are just questions and concerns I have. And again, I wasn't anticipating discussing this for another month or so. Early bird gets the worm I suppose.

I respect your view and I appreciate you don't preach to others to make yourself look better. Some do that.

 

[SirLucan]

Lets not forget the days of the weeks are named after Pagan gods. So using those names could fall into this as well.

Ugly, that blinking eye . . . it is hilarious.

I award thee 1000 ducats. From your point of view, you do see all sides of the arguments, right?
Single vision.

Be sure to keep an eye for false doctrine.

 

[LT]

Read your history they were used long before that. The use of them in Christianity may have been implemented then but the wedding ring symbolizing marriage started before Jesus was born.

sorry, for the sake of making my story more believable I will change it.

It was not the Catholic Church, but the Pharisees. And it was during the Maccabeen Revolt. And the guys name who started the cult was Randius Personguyus.

 

[SirLucan]

I am going to make up a bunch of stuff right now. If you are prone to argue, ignore me.
ok! on with the glorious fiction:

Wedding rings were invented by the Catholic Church early in the 10th century to combat a rise in the Biblical-Polygamy Cult started by Randy Personguy. It stated that all of the greatest men in the Bible had multiple wives, and the Catholic Church had pushed the pagan tradition of monogamy into Scripture.
The Catholic Church realized that multiple rings on one finger are very uncomfortable, so they introduced the wedding ring custom into their services to dissuade people from marrying multiple times.

And the order was turn in all the rings but one to your nearest bishop.

 

[LT]

And the order was turn in all the rings but one to your nearest bishop.

no less than 12 ducats for you!