From Catholicism To Calvinism: Bad Fruit From A Bad Root

[Praus]

From Catholicism To Calvinism: Bad Fruit From A Bad Root
Monica Dennington

Luke 14:11 "For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted." (NASB)

[video=youtube;vWteNd_NxvQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWteNd_NxvQ[/video]

[OP: the presenter is Monica Dennington of TicToc Ministries and the OP may not agree with her entire theology]

link -> Tic Toc Ministries

Why did the great "reformers" feel the need to break away from the Catholic church? Was this reformation spiritually successful? What fruit did this movement produce, and to what root can we trace the fruit of those who embrace "reformed theology" today?

Join Monica Dennington as she goes straight to God's Word to find out if it is possible to get good fruit from a bad root.

John Calvin and Michael Servetus

Michael Servetus was declared a heretic by the Catholic and Reformed Church alike, as well as by John Calvin. Calvin had him arrested in Geneva, composed a list of accusations against Servetus, and then the Protestant Geneva governing council condemned him to death by burning.

The most vocal modern-day Calvinists choose to justify this action, instead of renouncing it as murder in the sight of God and reprehensible for a man claiming to be a Christian. For those who claim that Calvin had limited authority and little or no responsibility in this murder, please see the following excerpts:

"Calvin wrote a letter...on 13 February 1547 noting that if Servetus were to come [to Geneva], he would not assure him safe conduct: "for if he came, as far as my authority goes, I would not let him leave alive.""

...and in a letter written by Calvin about a week after Servetus arrest:

"I hope that sentence of death will at least be passed on him; but I desired that the severity of the punishment be mitigated."

I John 3:15 "Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him."

To view annotations, as well as the full articles on the murder of Michael Servetus, go to:

John Calvin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Michael Servetus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Reformedjason]

Please tell me you don't like this Monica Dennington. She totally misrepresents the Calvinist position. I did not watch the video. I have seen her stuff before.

 

[Praus]

Please tell me you don't like this Monica Dennington. She totally misrepresents the Calvinist position. I did not watch the video. I have seen her stuff before.

That was in my original post.

[OP: the presenter is Monica Dennington of TicToc Ministries and the OP may not agree with her entire theology]

Thanks for contributing to the thread.

 

[maxwel]

I don't agree with Calvinists,
but I try to keep debate at a respectful level...
they are my brothers in Christ.

I can't even number all the issues I have with this video.

: )

 

[Praus]

I don't agree with Calvinists,
but I try to keep debate at a respectful level...
they are my brothers in Christ.

Then I suggest to avoid "debate" with Calvinists. -> Proof that Eastern Orthodox Church is satanic

I can't even number all the issues I have with this video.

: )

10,000?

Psalm 3:6 I will not be afraid of ten thousands of people, that have set [themselves] against me round about.

 

[konroh]

It is true that Calvin ruled Geneva somewhat as a malevolent dictator. He was also very perplexed by what happened there. But Calvin's theology is complex and should be studied as to whether it's biblically valid. Calvin's theology is slightly different from Calvinism, he actually was not fully limited atonement, but believed that the whole world had their sins satisfied, or "propitiated."

Calvin's wrong actions don't completely disqualify his theology, anymore than King David's adultery completely keeps me from reading the 23rd Psalm.

 

[maxwel]

Praus,

I'm curious, why exactly did you post this video?

What is your purpose for posting, what is your point of view, and what is your assessment of the video?

 

[blaqueshield3]

Yes ima agree

 

[Praus]

Praus,

I'm curious, why exactly did you post this video?

I was seeking edification and discernment from anyone who cares to teach about such topics here on Christian Chat.

What is your purpose for posting,

There's allegations of Nazism in Calvinism here on CC:

You said calvinists were nazis. errsingleoneofdem

No, I may have said Calvinism has parts of nazisim in it, but, again, quit getting off topic, jimdig, YOU said I called you a 'nazi,' which I NEVER have.

As Christians, we shouldn't put up ideologies like Nazism -> Support your Local Jew.

Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

what is your point of view,

Calvin says my point of view is totally depraved.

and what is your assessment of the video?

It's one of her better videos on YouTube.

 

[Reformedjason]

I did see that. Lol

 

[Reformedjason]

Calvinism is not really the theology of Calvin. It was named after him at the synod of Dort as a rebuttal against the heresy of Arminianism. The whole servetus thing has nothing to do with Calvinism. Anti Calvinist usually bring that up as an argument because they think Calvinism was put together by Calvin. It was not. I am a 5 pointer all the way if you can not tell.