Pre Trib Rapture Moment 11: What will trigger the rapture?

[Isdaniel]

5. The Lord Jesus Christ will appear to all the tribes of the earth Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself stated He would return immediately after the Great Tribulation. “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” (Mt. 24:29-31) There is nothing secret about the Return of the Lord Jesus Christ when everyone on the earth will see His coming.

6. The Lord will descend from heaven with a shout The apostle Paul wrote about the Return of the Lord Jesus Christ. “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.” (1 Thess. 4:16-18) There is nothing in these verses that says the Lord’s Second Coming will be a quiet and secret one. After the Second Coming the saints will be with Jesus Christ forever.

7. The Lord Jesus Christ will come at the 7th trumpet with the last trumpet or the trump of God Here is what the apostle Paul wrote: “Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed – in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” (1 Cor. 15:51-52) “And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” (Mt. 24:31)There are seven trumpets mentioned in the Book of Revelation (Rev. 8:6). From the first trumpet to the seven trumpet the earth will be undergoing the Great Tribulation (Rev. 8:7-13; 9:1-21). “Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, ‘The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” (Rev. 11:15)
Rev. 10:7)

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.


Note The 7th angel sound and during his sounding Jesus comes with the trump of God or the last trump while battling in the battle of Armageddon , The saints resurrect to meet him in the air from all over the world to see Him battle and reign on the earth at Jerusalem

revelation 16-17
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.


Ezekiel 39

6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the Lord.
7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel.
8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord God; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

 

[PlainWord]

I'm not sure who's worse the atheists or the rapture ready retards. The atheists will argue their belief until the sun rises, but good Christians know that they are insane and disregard the ramblings,however the rapturists are good God fearing souls who not only believe a lie but they distribute their stupidity thru books, movies, blogs, etc.etc. some like tim lahaye or hal lindsey or john hagee have gotten filthy rich from spreading the lie![emphasis on filthy!]
Now many here on this site have studied the good book extensively and have tried to steer them to the correct facts of the matter, I have explained no less than 10 times in various threads how to figure out the truth,yet no feedback, which means they are so certain of the lie that they don't need anyone telling them anything different or they simply WANT to believe the boss is going to give them their paycheck whether they work or not. now normally i would put them in the same category as atheists and let them wallow in their stupidity,however the hour is late and my job is to gather the witnesses to prepare for the coming trib, the witnesses of course are another debate altogether and i'm trying to focus on this particular lie at this time,now I realize that most of the liars will simply paste page after page of false prophet babble and go on about their way.
I will try once again to show where the problem originates and maybe I can get 1 or 2 of them to open their mind to another way to look at it,doubt it, but its worth a try.
Now the backbone of the rapture theory comes from 1Thess 4/16...For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout and the dead shall rise first then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds...Ok first lets go back to 1thess 4/14--even so them also which sleep in Jesus will GOD bring with him.So the conundrum is that there are 2 Lords...the Lord Jesus & the Lord GOD,4/16 is speaking of the Lord GOD, when HE descends from heaven to gather up his children at the end of the 1,000 yrs!So if the rapture retards would try and study their scriptures using this premise,maybe,just maybe, they'll get it right for a change!.....right! i'll hold my breath.

Leo,

I too have been trying everything possible to get the Rapture believers back to the Word and away from Satan's lie. But please remember 2 Thes 2:11. They will be sent strong delusion to believe the lie... They will perish. Not their souls, just their mortal bodies. They will be slain for believing the lie and they will be deceived by Satan.

I made the same point as you about 1 Thes 4:14 dozens of times. I also showed using the Greek that the "Clouds" could be translated "fog on top of a mountain." So it is possible even the remnant don't leave the ground but are simply gathered by the angels.

I think at some point we did our job by trying to show them the truth. Their blood is on their hands, not ours. For they did not accept the love of the truth. Perhaps it is time for the Elect to start doing great exploits, Dan 11:32?

 

[Isdaniel]

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[The_highwayman]

I think lots of folks miss what Jesus said in:
Rev 2.7
Rev 2.11
Rev 2.17
Rev 2.26
Rev 3:5
Rev 3:12
Rev 3:21
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[leo1]

Thanks brothers, any help to penetrate the fog is appreciated! I tend to lose patience too quickly with those who refuse to see, if my job is to teach I may be too short with them to do it effectively.I welcome any help in this endeavor,stupidity should not be punished by death, so i need to temper it down some..God bless you!

 

[konroh]

It is wrong to talk of a trigger for the Rapture. God has revealed many things about the future, but if even Jesus while He was on earth didn't know the day or the hour, it's best to stay away from prediction prophecies.

There seems to be a lot who want to attack the pre-trib rapture as following a doctrine of Satan. There is disagreement over the interpretation of some texts, it shouldn't resort to name-calling. Historically we can see problems with many positions, amilleniarians are known for allegorizing many passages of Scripture and have also perpetuated criminal acts on the Jewish people. Postmilleniarians have been known for blind optimism and an inability to understand WWI, WWII and the many wars and evils on the earth since then. Premilleniarians particularly pre-trib and mid-trib often caricature present events to make them fit prophecy. The Antichrist label has been given to so many dictators throughout history it's obscene. Also date-setting for the Rapture and/or 2nd coming has caused many to laugh at Christians when Jesus doesn't come. Every position can be taken to an unbiblical extreme. I'm not advocating pan-millenialism, (it will all work out in the end). I have a position and I hold it strongly because I believe in the significance of God's prophetic word, but I am advocating charity.

Jesus could come today, Jesus could come in 1000 years. Even so come, Lord Jesus.

 

[Isdaniel]

It is wrong to talk of a trigger for the Rapture. God has revealed many things about the future, but if even Jesus while He was on earth didn't know the day or the hour, it's best to stay away from prediction prophecies.

There seems to be a lot who want to attack the pre-trib rapture as following a doctrine of Satan. There is disagreement over the interpretation of some texts, it shouldn't resort to name-calling. Historically we can see problems with many positions, amilleniarians are known for allegorizing many passages of Scripture and have also perpetuated criminal acts on the Jewish people. Postmilleniarians have been known for blind optimism and an inability to understand WWI, WWII and the many wars and evils on the earth since then. Premilleniarians particularly pre-trib and mid-trib often caricature present events to make them fit prophecy. The Antichrist label has been given to so many dictators throughout history it's obscene. Also date-setting for the Rapture and/or 2nd coming has caused many to laugh at Christians when Jesus doesn't come. Every position can be taken to an unbiblical extreme. I'm not advocating pan-millenialism, (it will all work out in the end). I have a position and I hold it strongly because I believe in the significance of God's prophetic word, but I am advocating charity.

Jesus could come today, Jesus could come in 1000 years. Even so come, Lord Jesus.

the question is what will trigger the rapture and the bibe clearly shews the cry of the Jews will cause Jesus to come and rescue them . Thus the saints will be taken up at the batle of armageddon . No one know the time for Jesus second coming but the question is what will trigger the rapture as some say but i go with the taking of the church which includes both jews and gentiles

 

[PlainWord]

I think lots of folks miss what Jesus said in:
Rev 2.7
Rev 2.11
Rev 2.17
Rev 2.26
Rev 3:5
Rev 3:12
Rev 3:21
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Yes but they always attribute those sayings to the Jews during Jacob's Trouble not realizing that while Israel will have its own unique problems such as enemies attacking her from all sides, we all go through the Great Tribulation. "each of us in our own lands" as it says.

 

[PlainWord]

Thanks brothers, any help to penetrate the fog is appreciated! I tend to lose patience too quickly with those who refuse to see, if my job is to teach I may be too short with them to do it effectively.I welcome any help in this endeavor,stupidity should not be punished by death, so i need to temper it down some..God bless you!

I have exactly the same problem. If we are to be teachers we need patience. I tend to get angry because Satan has been so effective in spreading his lies and in deceiving so many, including some really smart and Godly people. I have a dear friend who is a pastor who I cannot get through to. We coached basketball together for years. He knows the Bible overall far, far better than me but when it comes to this stuff, he is blind as a bat. I will read the clear written word in English and in the Greek and doesn't see it. This strong delusion is so strong. I'm shocked at how true God is and how powerful His delusion that He sent those who believe in the Rapture lie is.

I think we need to continue to reach out to the group set in the lie but really focus on younger Christians whose eyes haven't blind.

 

[Anonimous]

So, there is frustration trying to teach? Perhaps the problem is this. If you are indeed trying to educate on what the word says is true...then I pray for your patience. However, remember this. It's NOT your job to teach truth. That is the role and job of the Holy Spirit. He is the one who will bring understanding. All you can do is point people in the direction they should go. Allow the Holy Spirit to do the actual teaching? Agreed?

 

[PlainWord]

It is wrong to talk of a trigger for the Rapture. God has revealed many things about the future, but if even Jesus while He was on earth didn't know the day or the hour, it's best to stay away from prediction prophecies.

There seems to be a lot who want to attack the pre-trib rapture as following a doctrine of Satan. There is disagreement over the interpretation of some texts, it shouldn't resort to name-calling. Historically we can see problems with many positions, amilleniarians are known for allegorizing many passages of Scripture and have also perpetuated criminal acts on the Jewish people. Postmilleniarians have been known for blind optimism and an inability to understand WWI, WWII and the many wars and evils on the earth since then. Premilleniarians particularly pre-trib and mid-trib often caricature present events to make them fit prophecy. The Antichrist label has been given to so many dictators throughout history it's obscene. Also date-setting for the Rapture and/or 2nd coming has caused many to laugh at Christians when Jesus doesn't come. Every position can be taken to an unbiblical extreme. I'm not advocating pan-millenialism, (it will all work out in the end). I have a position and I hold it strongly because I believe in the significance of God's prophetic word, but I am advocating charity.

Jesus could come today, Jesus could come in 1000 years. Even so come, Lord Jesus.

If you had a friend who thought it was safe or cool to jump in front of a moving train, wouldn't you try and stop him? Or not even a friend, just someone you were blogging with on line? This Rapture doctrine is every bit as dangerous. If you think the first Christ to appear is our Lord and Savoir, then the Devil has you right where he wants you. Satan is VERY deceptive. He will deceive many. We aren't guessing this, we are told this. We are told in no uncertain terms by Paul NOT TO BE DECEIVED BY ANY MEANS about when the Lord returns.

Jesus COULD NOT come today. The Man of Sin has NOT been revealed yet. We will know because many will think he is the Christ.

 

[PlainWord]

So, there is frustration trying to teach? Perhaps the problem is this. If you are indeed trying to educate on what the word says is true...then I pray for your patience. However, remember this. It's NOT your job to teach truth. That is the role and job of the Holy Spirit. He is the one who will bring understanding. All you can do is point people in the direction they should go. Allow the Holy Spirit to do the actual teaching? Agreed?

yes, agreed.

 

[The_highwayman]

Yes but they always attribute those sayings to the Jews during Jacob's Trouble not realizing that while Israel will have its own unique problems such as enemies attacking her from all sides, we all go through the Great Tribulation. "each of us in our own lands" as it says.

My point in listing these Scriptures was to point that Jesus said he that overcometh....and he said in the Gospel that He that endues to the end shall be saved.

Its sad how many read but don't understand revelation.

 

[konroh]

Here's where there are too many assumptions. Let's say I believe in the blessed hope of the Rapture that is a comfort to me in life and in death. I believe that Christ will come for His blessed saints in the air before the Antichrist is revealed who will deceive many. But suddenly I find myself in a world where one man is accumulating all religious and political power. He overthrows many nations, he makes a 7-year covenant with the Jewish nation, he seems to be like Christ. He has great power, miraculous power, he seems spiritual, he seems worthy of worship. Because I find myself in this time period, even before the Antichrist breaks his covenant and the great tribulation begins, that doesn't mean I will lose all faith in God, or that I'll worship the Antichrist, just because I believed there to be a pre-trib Rapture. 1 Thess 4 will still have meaning, I will still look forward to the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior. It will still be a comfort to me both in life and in death. It will still be all it was meant to be.

 

[leo1]

true, no man knows the hour but learn a parable of the fig tree;when his branch is yet tender,and puts forth leaves you know that summer is nigh: so likewise you, when you shall see all these things, know that it is near,even at the doors.[matt 24/32] we don't know the exact day, nor hour, but we do know the signs to look for and the tribulation is near, even at the doors!
and i suppose name calling is not necessary, however if senior member konroh has a better way to get their attention...please do.The job of preparing the elect is tough enough without lackadaisical people who are too lazy to study the good book for themselves running around spreading lies and falsehoods about my Lord. Ok, so I apologize to all the rapture ready retards I may have insulted....we cool?

 

[Graybeard]

Thank God that throughout history He has made an escape for His people.....PRAISE THE LORD!!

 

[PlainWord]

Thank God that throughout history He has made an escape for His people.....PRAISE THE LORD!!

His faithful people, those true to His Word, yes. But even they were not snatched off the earth and taken to heaven. Those who did not listen to His Word and instead go around preaching and spreading lies don't usually fare to well with the Father. A quick read of Ezek 13 should give a good clue about how God will handle false prophets and teachers.

 

[leo1]

For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:And if any man shall take away from the words of this prophecy,God shall take away his part out of the book of life and out of the holy city,and from the things which are written in this book....rev 22/18, sounds kinda bad don't it? and you're worried about name calling?

 

[leo1]

So, there is frustration trying to teach? Perhaps the problem is this. If you are indeed trying to educate on what the word says is true...then I pray for your patience. However, remember this. It's NOT your job to teach truth. That is the role and job of the Holy Spirit. He is the one who will bring understanding. All you can do is point people in the direction they should go. Allow the Holy Spirit to do the actual teaching? Agreed?

therefore to him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not,to him it is sin...james 4/17

 

[Graybeard]

Question: To those who do not believe in a pre-trib rapture, do you believe we will be subject to the Tribulation period? in other words are we going to go through The Tribulation?......a simple yes or no please.