Jesus, the beginning of the creation by God?

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Rockbysea

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DiscipleDave said:
...disobedient Children, they are called children because even the unsaved…. is a child of the living God in Heaven...
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I appreciate your stance on obeying Christ. I’d like to know from where you got the following assertion: “disobedient Children, they are called children because even the unsaved…. is a child of the living God in Heaven”.

The only children of God I’m aware of are the ones born of God and they are obedient. All else are children of the devil.
 
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The unsaved are God's creations but not His children. His children are those who are followers of his Son, Christ Jesus.
 
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How u people do not understand one simple thing.
When Jesus Christ was born,He was born in eternity and time didn't existed.So there were nothing before.Creation of world didn't begone with Him,but trough Him!
 
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People just cannot comprehend That God became a man for the sole effort that we might be saved. Praise God for the cross.
 
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Kerry

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Who was the captain of the Lord of host that fought for Joshua?
 
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Jesus Christ, as one of the three persons that makes up our Triune God, has always existed. He came to earth as a human and was born in Bethlehem. He was 100% human, while remaining 100% God. And he still is 100% God and 100% human.
 
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Rockbysea

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Tintin said:
Jesus Christ, as one of the three persons that makes up our Triune God, has always existed. He came to earth as a human and was born in Bethlehem. He was 100% human, while remaining 100% God. And he still is 100% God and 100% human.
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Understood… But He was born (came forth from the womb) in the flesh as Jesus Christ the Saviour. Raised as a child… and grew up to be a man who was God. “Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea….” Matthew 2:1
 
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Rockbysea

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Tintin said:
Jesus Christ, as one of the three persons that makes up our Triune God, has always existed. He came to earth as a human and was born in Bethlehem. He was 100% human, while remaining 100% God. And he still is 100% God and 100% human.
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I take back the last comment because I overlooked "born" in your statement. I agree He was 100% human while He was in the flesh but now that He resides at the right hand of the Father and has been restored to the glory that He once had before He came in the flesh, how is He now 100% human?
 
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There is a single, unique, and unprecedented event in the world’s history: the incarnation of God. God and man were united in the person of Christ and became the divine and extraordinary person of the God-man. Never before has another such person existed, nor will again, in the history of the world and of humanity. In Christ the God-man, two natures have been united: the divine and the human, without confusion, distinct, separate, and independent, each unchanged by the other. Christ, the Son of God, is also the Son of Man– perfect God and perfect Man. He is truly the God-man in the full sense of the word. As God, He is born of God the Father “before all ages.” As human, He was born “of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary,” the place being Bethlehem in Judea. The event of the Incarnation of the Son and Word of God and His retaining both His divine and human natures have made a profound impression, resulting inevitably in much debate. The Third, Fourth, and Sixth Ecumenical Councils dealt with this matter. The Third Ecumenical Council decided with its infallibility to call Christ “Perfect God and perfect man, with a rational soul and body . . . one in divine essence with the Father and of the same essence as humanity.
 
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The hymnologists of our Church express beautifully all that pertains to the God-man Christ. The Theotokion of the stichera of the third tone (Saturday Vespers) speaks about the human birth of Christ, that “He never underwent change or mixture or division, but He guarded the attributes of both natures.
Whereas, the Theotokion of the stichera of the eighth tone (Saturday Vespers) speaks on the same subject more clearly, saying “He that was born of the Father out of time, His Only- begotten Son, He Himself was born of you [i.e., the Theotokos], assuming flesh, God by nature and becoming man in nature for us, not being divided into two persons, but His two natures remaining unconfused.
 
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Rockbysea said:
I take back the last comment because I overlooked "born" in your statement. I agree He was 100% human while He was in the flesh but now that He resides at the right hand of the Father and has been restored to the glory that He once had before He came in the flesh, how is He now 100% human?
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His restored, sinless body (100% God/100% man) ascended into Heaven. Jesus wouldn't rise to new life and ascend, only to become Spirit. His life and his example paved the way for his followers.
 
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Delija vue, So do you think you understand His sacrifice by observing vespers?
Like I said, don't make His sacrifice a mere theological point..
It is real, as those who it saves are really sinners and not religious consorts, - (those affected by religious liturgy).
 
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How to explain u,if u do not understand Liturgical life of the Church.Everything what we believe we relive in Liturgy over and over.
 
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Re: Keep running...

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You are the perfect example of what happens to grown adults when they fail to study the original languages.

Please tell us what word is used for 'gods'...
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You are perfect example of a person who assumes much. i am an adult and i have studied the original languages, as i have plainly said to you before. i have also asked how old you are, that i thought you were a kid. Because if you are not a kid, OH MY.

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Rockbysea said:


I appreciate your stance on obeying Christ. I’d like to know from where you got the following assertion: “disobedient Children, they are called children because even the unsaved…. is a child of the living God in Heaven”.

The only children of God I’m aware of are the ones born of God and they are obedient. All else are children of the devil.
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Are you suggesting that all children that are born to human women are children of the devil? Because children are not Born of God until they reach an age where they can freely choose God or reject Him. So then if they are not Born of God they are children of the devil? Is that what you are saying. Every person born is a child of God, it is only when that child rejects God by continuing to live in sin, do they become a child of the devil. Children are not born children of the devil, they are all children of God, surely you understand this.

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In the beginning was GOD only....


THEN Jesus was begotten by the Father and he the first who was brought into existence.

The entirety of the creation was by GOD through him.
 
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Kerry said:
People just cannot comprehend That God became a man for the sole effort that we might be saved. Praise God for the cross.
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What people have a problem comprehending is that Jesus Christ existed before He became a man. Jesus Christ was the one walking in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve. So then before God became man, He was still God before the Earth was created.

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daughteroflight said:
In the beginning was GOD only....


THEN Jesus was begotten by the Father and he the first who was brought into existence.

The entirety of the creation was by GOD through him.
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What you have said above is True, and there is no Scriptures that teach contrary to what you have said above. However this generation will not believe this Truth and it will contradict what this generation believes to be the Truth. But what you said above is also what God has told me.

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