Why Are People Afraid To Read The Book Of Revelation?

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john832

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Does anybody understand this verse?

Revelation 12:17 ...'And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.'



Can you break it down and explain?
Read verse 14-16...

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

There is a place, on earth, where the church will be protected during the 3-1/2 years and some of the church goes there...

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

This is not a rapture, if it were, why would you come down off of your roof to get your "stuff"?

Luk 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

Neither would you care if it were the Sabbath of winter. You would not have to worry about travel.

Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

This verse in Rev 17 plainly shows that this is the church He is speaking of when He speaks of fleeing. One would not go to Judah (we call it Israel today) to find the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Now what you are talking about is the keeping of the Commandments. The true church (ekklesia - the called out ones) keeps God's Commandments (including the fourth one)...

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
 
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Revelation 11:19 ...'And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.' ...


What is in the Heavenly ark? God's eternal law, the Ten Commandments!


Why do men teach that we have liberty to ignore the 10 Commandments? that we will be lead by spirit only. Why is the Sabbath Day Rest tossed out? Do they confuse that 7th day with other sabbaths, so toss 'em all out?

I have been so blind! Why did I not see this before? Because everybody goes to church on Sunday? Sun Day?

Wake up people! Let us wake up! Everybody wonderin what the "mark of the beast is", or some are convinced it is a form of identification.....well it is!!! it's written in your heart, the 10 commandments!!! it's on your hand-what you do with what is in your mind!
You have explained the mark of the beast! Of course. However, so often God gives us physical examples of what is spiritual. For instance law. Moses gave us don't murder and Christ gave us don't hate. Even though what you say is absolute truth, I keep wondering if we will be asked to physically accept the mark.
 
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Its entertaining to read Revelations tbh
 
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You have explained the mark of the beast! Of course. However, so often God gives us physical examples of what is spiritual. For instance law. Moses gave us don't murder and Christ gave us don't hate. Even though what you say is absolute truth, I keep wondering if we will be asked to physically accept the mark.
I don't know....but I recall, didn't the laws man ADDED to God's commandments include "wearing" (i forget the term) a part of scripture in a manmade pouch on their heads and arms? And didn't Jesus have something to say about that? Buy and sell....something that would make us not to be able to buy and sell without breaking a commandment, my opinion, the 4th commandment, because, that is the only one that the devil has worked so hard to abolish! But I've read some of your other posts, and I agree that we shouldnt be followers of any preacher or teacher, rather trust the Word and Jesus to deliver us, and keep the 10 commandments. I'm going to be reading those words in RED all the more closely after today!!
 
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I have been so blind! Why did I not see this before? Because everybody goes to church on Sunday? Sun Day?

Wake up people! Let us wake up! Everybody wonderin what the "mark of the beast is", or some are convinced it is a form of identification.....well it is!!! it's written in your heart, the 10 commandments!!! it's on your hand-what you do with what is in your mind!
Oh no... another sucker drinks the kool-aid.
 

john832

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Revelation 11:19 ...'And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.' ...


What is in the Heavenly ark? God's eternal law, the Ten Commandments!


Why do men teach that we have liberty to ignore the 10 Commandments? that we will be lead by spirit only. Why is the Sabbath Day Rest tossed out? Do they confuse that 7th day with other sabbaths, so toss 'em all out?

I have been so blind! Why did I not see this before? Because everybody goes to church on Sunday? Sun Day?

Wake up people! Let us wake up! Everybody wonderin what the "mark of the beast is", or some are convinced it is a form of identification.....well it is!!! it's written in your heart, the 10 commandments!!! it's on your hand-what you do with what is in your mind!
There is one sign that really identifies God's people, the saints...

Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
 
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#47
There is one sign that really identifies God's people, the saints...

Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
...throughout your generations........does that mean, ...throughout your generations? Wow!! how much plainer can it get!!!
 

john832

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...throughout your generations........does that mean, ...throughout your generations? Wow!! how much plainer can it get!!!
Well, it kinda means forever...

Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
 
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Why do people say that you either trust in Jesus, OR keep the commandments? Why would anyone discourage a single soul from doing what they believe is right from reading scripture? Why do they call you a sucker if you WANT to keep the 10 commandments AND worship Jesus? Didn't Jesus say His yoke is light, or did He say there is no yoke? This I know, the New Testament says not to quarrel or strive with anyone who keeps Sabbath, so why do Christians call anyone a sucker if they choose to do what Jesus told us to do?



Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
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Well, it kinda means forever...

Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Looks like it means forever to me. Does God lie? Do you think He might have been joking when He said this? Was it one of those, "ah, you can't think the bible was possibly translated correctly" nah, God couldn't make sure HIS WORD would be preserved. Could He? I mean, is the saying "but with God all things are possible" is that a lie? I mean, am I a sucker here or what? for believing what God said? John, are you a sucker too?:)
 
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It is a shame many Christians don't like to reads Revelation. Especially when Revelation 1:3 it says that God blesses those who read the words of this prophecy
 
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Revelation 11:19 ...'And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.' ...


What is in the Heavenly ark? God's eternal law, the Ten Commandments!


Why do men teach that we have liberty to ignore the 10 Commandments? that we will be lead by spirit only. Why is the Sabbath Day Rest tossed out? Do they confuse that 7th day with other sabbaths, so toss 'em all out?

I have been so blind! Why did I not see this before? Because everybody goes to church on Sunday? Sun Day?

Wake up people! Let us wake up! Everybody wonderin what the "mark of the beast is", or some are convinced it is a form of identification.....well it is!!! it's written in your heart, the 10 commandments!!! it's on your hand-what you do with what is in your mind!
I'm confused??? Are you saying the mark of the beast is the 10 commandments?
 
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I don't know....but I recall, didn't the laws man ADDED to God's commandments include "wearing" (i forget the term) a part of scripture in a manmade pouch on their heads and arms? And didn't Jesus have something to say about that? Buy and sell....something that would make us not to be able to buy and sell without breaking a commandment, my opinion, the 4th commandment, because, that is the only one that the devil has worked so hard to abolish! But I've read some of your other posts, and I agree that we shouldnt be followers of any preacher or teacher, rather trust the Word and Jesus to deliver us, and keep the 10 commandments. I'm going to be reading those words in RED all the more closely after today!!
I have spent hours and days in study and prayer about this very thing. Our churches are saying that you may not do anything literally to obey, it is wrong. No Sabbath, no law of Moses, no wearing God's words on your head or arms. When the Jerusalem church told Paul and Peter to go teach Christ in this way, God let them know it was the absolutely wrong way to teach gospel. So we know there can be wrong in this way.

I carefully explored scripture to find out if what we do is truly wrong, if that doing is suggested by God in the first place. It would be hard to give you my day by day work and study about this, it was extensive, but my conclusion was that we must listen to Paul carefully about this, but Paul did not say we must never do anything that would tie our daily routines into reminding us of God in our life.

This idea hasn't worked out for us. We live as if God has no part in our routines. Our washing is to clean surface dirt, God says it represents cleaning inner dirt. We eat anything and God says it isn't what we eat, but for some what they eat reminds them of God's food for them to be clean. It would be a total loss for us to use routines of living to replace Christ, just listen to Paul!!! But I think we lose a lot when we sort of sneer at the idea of use them to remember Christ.
 
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I'm confused??? Are you saying the mark of the beast is the 10 commandments?
Oh my, I certainly did not mean to be confusing, I'm saying, that the 10 commandments (do and with spirit) faith in Jesus, is God's sign,..,....... not having God's Law (10 commandments)in your heart(head) and by doing (hands) is mark of beast.


That's how I'm reading scripture. Wow. Jesus kept Sabbath and spirit of it, not what man added to it (im not talking about anything other than 7th day rest, type of Sabbath}

I have not been keeping Sabbath. Have you? What do you think? The yoke Jesus spoke of "easy" and was basic 10 commandments, i believe. Then so much was added, is that not what He was speaking against? (what man added)

I would really like to examine this further, but I really think it has dawned on me, 7th day Sabbeth. It is what the "church" is so against.
 
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Oh my, I certainly did not mean to be confusing, I'm saying, that the 10 commandments (do and with spirit) faith in Jesus, is God's sign,..,....... not having God's Law (10 commandments)in your heart(head) and by doing (hands) is mark of beast.


That's how I'm reading scripture. Wow. Jesus kept Sabbath and spirit of it, not what man added to it (im not talking about anything other than 7th day rest, type of Sabbath}

I have not been keeping Sabbath. Have you? What do you think? The yoke Jesus spoke of "easy" and was basic 10 commandments, i believe. Then so much was added, is that not what He was speaking against? (what man added)

I would really like to examine this further, but I really think it has dawned on me, 7th day Sabbeth. It is what the "church" is so against.
I've not been Karraster. I think I do know what the mark of the beast is but God has not fully shown it to me through the scripture yet. I was planning on making a post on that latter. But I would like to discuss your view further. The way I see, according to scripture, not keeping the sabbath day can not be the mark of the beast because to me, Paul clearly points out that the one who observes a day observes it to the Lord and at the same time the man that doesn't observe the day doesn't observe it to the Lord. What's your opinion of this?

Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
 
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I have spent hours and days in study and prayer about this very thing. Our churches are saying that you may not do anything literally to obey, it is wrong. No Sabbath, no law of Moses, no wearing God's words on your head or arms. When the Jerusalem church told Paul and Peter to go teach Christ in this way, God let them know it was the absolutely wrong way to teach gospel. So we know there can be wrong in this way.

I carefully explored scripture to find out if what we do is truly wrong, if that doing is suggested by God in the first place. It would be hard to give you my day by day work and study about this, it was extensive, but my conclusion was that we must listen to Paul carefully about this, but Paul did not say we must never do anything that would tie our daily routines into reminding us of God in our life.

This idea hasn't worked out for us. We live as if God has no part in our routines. Our washing is to clean surface dirt, God says it represents cleaning inner dirt. We eat anything and God says it isn't what we eat, but for some what they eat reminds them of God's food for them to be clean. It would be a total loss for us to use routines of living to replace Christ, just listen to Paul!!! But I think we lose a lot when we sort of sneer at the idea of use them to remember Christ.
Bear with me, I apologize that I don't convey my thoughts well. I'm trying to understand all you say. You're saying we should remember Christ in all our ways? I agree.

I have been confused my whole life about this worship in spirit but don't obey any law. I felt I was missing the whole message at church. I know I have broken every commandment. I feel that the murder of Christ is every man's sin. (that's another topic i guess,) and nobody get's saved without the blood of Jesus. But to say don't obey God's commandments? It just doesn't compute for me anymore. I'm remembering things I questioned as a child, didn't make any sense to me then, and one thing was why do we go to church on Sunday? Is it really the 7th day, even if the calender says it is the first? Didn't God say?...I knew God said to rest and keep holy the 7th day, when I was a child. Then I grew up, and did what everybody else did.

God knows our heart. Are we trying our best to do and believe? I want to please God with all my heart mind and body. I feel that's how He is moving me, to obey the 10 commandments, with love.
 
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Oh my, I certainly did not mean to be confusing, I'm saying, that the 10 commandments (do and with spirit) faith in Jesus, is God's sign,..,....... not having God's Law (10 commandments)in your heart(head) and by doing (hands) is mark of beast.


That's how I'm reading scripture. Wow. Jesus kept Sabbath and spirit of it, not what man added to it (im not talking about anything other than 7th day rest, type of Sabbath}

I have not been keeping Sabbath. Have you? What do you think? The yoke Jesus spoke of "easy" and was basic 10 commandments, i believe. Then so much was added, is that not what He was speaking against? (what man added)

I would really like to examine this further, but I really think it has dawned on me, 7th day Sabbeth. It is what the "church" is so against.
I think that when Jesus said the yoke was easy, it can be shown with keeping the Sabbath. If we keep the Sabbath using the laws of walk this far, no farther, don't light a match, etc., it is hard. If we keep the spirit of giving up doing for ourselves that day, just depending on God as the spirit teaches, we might end up having cooked our meal on the work days so we would be free on Sabbath, but it would be easy for we would do it in spirit.
 
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I have not been keeping Sabbath. Have you? What do you think? The yoke Jesus spoke of "easy" and was basic 10 commandments, i believe. Then so much was added, is that not what He was speaking against? (what man added)

I would really like to examine this further, but I really think it has dawned on me, 7th day Sabbeth. It is what the "church" is so against.
And Peter, who was saved and filled with the holy spirit, called bondage to the law of Moses an unbearable burden. This, of course, is just another scripture that stiff-necked people ignore so they can cling to their cherished falsehoods.

So now why are you putting God to the test by placing on the neck of the disciples a yoke [that binds them to the law of Moses] that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way those also are.” Acts 15:10-11​
 
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I've not been Karraster. I think I do know what the mark of the beast is but God has not fully shown it to me through the scripture yet. I was planning on making a post on that latter. But I would like to discuss your view further. The way I see, according to scripture, not keeping the sabbath day can not be the mark of the beast because to me, Paul clearly points out that the one who observes a day observes it to the Lord and at the same time the man that doesn't observe the day doesn't observe it to the Lord. What's your opinion of this?

Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
I take Paul's reference to food being there too, he was referencing Sabbaths other than the 7th Day Sabbath. In those days, people were having debates just like today, and they were concerned about food and related to that, Christ offering and related to that. I think they took for granted the 7th day rest was still law. I don't think they were confused about that at all. I mean, why would they?

I'll look for more scripture. This is huge to me!
 
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I think that when Jesus said the yoke was easy, it can be shown with keeping the Sabbath. If we keep the Sabbath using the laws of walk this far, no farther, don't light a match, etc., it is hard. If we keep the spirit of giving up doing for ourselves that day, just depending on God as the spirit teaches, we might end up having cooked our meal on the work days so we would be free on Sabbath, but it would be easy for we would do it in spirit.
WOW! Exactly as I would have liked to put it! This made my heart sing! I hear you sister.:)