Neat discovery about 12,000

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miktre

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What's so special about 12,000 and why is it the key measurement of Heaven?

Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

In Revelation ch 7, why are the 144,000 split into divisions of 12,000?

Lets see if we can answer those questions.

First lets start with something interesting I found.

Three days and three nights equals 4,320 minutes.
That's 72 hours times 60 minutes per hour equaling 4,320 minutes.

3 days and 3 nights was the great prophecy that Jesus gave us about His death and resurrection.
Mat_12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Now whats interesting is if you divide 144,000 by 4,320 you get 33.333333333333..... on you calculator
33.333333333..... is an interesting number. We know Jesus was 33 years old when He was crucified, but could this be His exact age of 33.333333333... years? Could there be more to this interesting equation?

It is well established that a prophetic years is 360 days. Lets multiply 33.333333333... years by 360 days per year to find out how many total days are in 33.333333333... years

33.333333333... X 360= 12,000 days!

The 144,000 is a choir, it is arranged into groups of 12,000 to harmonically resonate a song about Christ and His perfect life here on earth.
Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.


This is also why Heaven is 12,000 furlongs, His perfect life is what gets you in.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMcoRb34laA
 
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Try not to take the numbers literally. If you read the book of Ezekiel, you find that the measurements of heaven are not the same as they are in Revelation. The numbers serve as a symbolic meaning and are not to be taken literally.
 
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miktre

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Try not to take the numbers literally. If you read the book of Ezekiel, you find that the measurements of heaven are not the same as they are in Revelation. The numbers serve as a symbolic meaning and are not to be taken literally.
Bingo! 12,000 is symbolic for the perfect life of Christ. thank you
 

VCO

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Bingo! 12,000 is symbolic for the perfect life of Christ. thank you
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May I suggest that you look at what the words say and mean, and not waste time looking for hidden meaning in the numbers. That plus looking for hidden symbolic numerical clues to date the Second Coming, has led many a False Prophet to come crashing down. The latest of which was Harold Camping.

Numerology, The Secret Behind Numbers, Numbers Our Pathway To Truth, Musical Numerology, Christian Numerology used by almost all False Prophets, Karma Numerology, 777 Revival Movement, etc., etc. THOSE ARE KNOWN CULTS, why would you ever want to put on the appearance of evil, by copy-catting what the CULTS do?

HERE is GOD's example of how we are to Study the Bible.

Acts 17:11 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

LOSE the Cult Characteristic of chasing after secret meanings in numbers. PLEASE!

1 Thessalonians 5:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Abstain from all appearance of evil.
 
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miktre

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t t t

May I suggest that you look at what the words say and mean, and not waste time looking for hidden meaning in the numbers. That plus looking for hidden symbolic numerical clues to date the Second Coming, has led many a False Prophet to come crashing down. The latest of which was Harold Camping.

Numerology, The Secret Behind Numbers, Numbers Our Pathway To Truth, Musical Numerology, Christian Numerology used by almost all False Prophets, Karma Numerology, 777 Revival Movement, etc., etc. THOSE ARE KNOWN CULTS, why would you ever want to put on the appearance of evil, by copy-catting what the CULTS do?

HERE is GOD's example of how we are to Study the Bible.

Acts 17:11 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

LOSE the Cult Characteristic of chasing after secret meanings in numbers. PLEASE!

1 Thessalonians 5:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Abstain from all appearance of evil.
Settle down friend it's OK You're getting ahead of yourself. This is just something interesting about the life of Christ, nobody is giving prophecies LoL BTW 12,000 isn't a "secret number", it's in Revelation, which means to reveal LOL
 
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Angela53510

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You do realize that reading things into numbers or symbols can often be a sign of mental illness? Specifically, psychosis?

Praying you can find help to become normal, and read the Bible as a book that is the revelation of Jesus Christ, not a numerology lesson.
 
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miktre

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You do realize that reading things into numbers or symbols can often be a sign of mental illness? Specifically, psychosis?

Praying you can find help to become normal, and read the Bible as a book that is the revelation of Jesus Christ, not a numerology lesson.
Yeah I guess God didn't know what He was doing when He put these special numbers in the Bible. Lol
Maybe you can find you a bible version that edits out all numbers.

Rev_13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
 
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2Thewaters

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The word of God is infinite
all things are perfect with a plan
If you counted the quarks within the city it likely would perfectly devide into 7 and 3

everything is good when God made it.

Did you know psalm 119 each verse section starts with the same letter in that verse?
and all the alphabet was used.
 
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miktre

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The word of God is infinite
all things are perfect with a plan
If you counted the quarks within the city it likely would perfectly devide into 7 and 3

everything is good when God made it.

Did you know psalm 119 each verse section starts with the same letter in that verse?
and all the alphabet was used.
Yes, I Learned that about 12 years ago. Psalms 111 and 112 are also acrostic. Interesting stuff, God Bless
 

VCO

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Settle down friend it's OK You're getting ahead of yourself. This is just something interesting about the life of Christ, nobody is giving prophecies LoL BTW 12,000 isn't a "secret number", it's in Revelation, which means to reveal LOL

The Secret Hidden Meanings are NOT.

A little leaven, is all it takes for Cult to start.
 
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miktre

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The Secret Hidden Meanings are NOT.

A little leaven, is all it takes for Cult to start.
This cult junk you keep talking about is way out there in left field. Lol

You are the correct the meanings of the numbers aren't for everyone as you can see with this verse here and it's probably why you find them troubling:
Rev_13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
 
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miktre

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t t t

ASK, and ye shall receive. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bpgbJMsgCk
You've got to be joking, yuk Certainly not the song of the 144,000
 
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Miktre when you start putting out truth, you can be 100% assured persecution will follow lol.
 

lydever91

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Miktre when you start putting out truth, you can be 100% assured persecution will follow lol.
It's like they hear a little truth and then they start manifesting.
 
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The_highwayman

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The Secret Hidden Meanings are NOT.

A little leaven, is all it takes for Cult to start.
Sorry, you cannot simply discount Biblical numbers and it is not false teaching. The Hebrew language is built on numerology and pictographs and most time those pictographs also stand for a number.

The number 40 in the Bible is synonymous with testing or trial. 7 is the number of perfection. 6 is the number of man. These are not secret hidden meanings, they are part of the deep mysteries of God, and anyway who understands the Hebrew language would embrace such knowledge.

Another thing people never do is look at the meanings of the names of people and places and things in the Old Testament. The meanings of the names of people and places and things in the Old Testament give us untold revelation and show us the concealed Christ.