There Are Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity
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The only thing that the word "Trinity" describes is the number 3 in a different language. We agree that there are 3 in the "Godhead". (Which is actually mentioned in the Bible.)
It is interesting that the very few times in the history of the world that God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost have chosen to reveal themselves all together in one place, and only 3 times on the pages of the Holy Bible they have revealed that they are separate and distinct individuals.
See Mark 9:2 the mount of transfiguration event.
See Acts 7:55 Steven's stoning event.
See Matthew 3:16-17 at the baptismal event.
It is interesting that the very few times in the history of the world that God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost have chosen to reveal themselves all together in one place, and only 3 times on the pages of the Holy Bible they have revealed that they are separate and distinct individuals.
See Mark 9:2 the mount of transfiguration event.
See Acts 7:55 Steven's stoning event.
See Matthew 3:16-17 at the baptismal event.
That is a good one, and I can picture it. We need an artist to draw us picture with two halves.
One half with a sign above the three seated Throne of God that Says TRINITARIAN; and a Trinity Believer listening to all three speakers on the seats: The SON Speaker on the right hand side, The FATHER Sub-Wolfer Speaker in the middle, and the HOLY SPIRIT Speaker on the left; and all three speaking beautiful music to the Trinitarian Believer. And the Caption under it should read: He who is plugged into all THREE hears the beautiful Music of GOD written into His Word.
And on the second half the sign reads UNITARIAN; with both the SON Speaker and the HOLY SPIRIT Speaker obviously UNPLUGGED, and just the BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, coming from the FATHER sub-wolfer and a bewildered look on the face of the Unitarian trying to listen to GOD. And the Caption written under that one should read: He who is NOT plugged into all THREE Does NOT hear the beautiful Music of GOD written into His Word.
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It was the NIV, WHY? If you want to debate Versions, that is another thread, where I have validated that the KJV is NOT an Inspired English Translation but only a Paraphrase, that was intended to only improve previous Translations. Who did I quote to prove that, THE KJV TRANSLATORS THEMSELVES. Come on over if you want. http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...noring-deity-jesus-christ-16.html#post1339788 Starting with my Posts #316, 329, 331, 334, and 441.
You really do not listen, when you talk to Trinitarians, do you? Like Tim, most of us feel MORE than very close to GOD; we feel HIM in us, and we feel we are in HIM, the true Triune GOD. PLUS we feel a very DEEP, personal, LOVE relationship with GOD, as we submit to Jesus Christ as LORD.
Let all who agree with me say, AMEN!
The problem I have with the Trinity doctrine has to do with the word (homoousios), in English it is "consubstantial" which means "of the same substance".
The idea that God the Father, His Son Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are 3 distinct persons but are physically consubstanial is a mind-bending concept. I do not believe it is supported by scripture. The words "consubstantial", and "Trinity", and
"persons", referring to God and Jesus and the Holy Ghost, are nonbiblical.
Just because Jesus says that God is in him and he is in God and they are one does not mean that they are physically consubstantial. God will dwell in any worthy person, and any worthy person can dwell in God. Any worthy person can be one with God and Jesus, but certainly not physically consubstantial.
That is why I am so hung up on the 3 being separate and distinct, this concept I believe is fully supported by scripture.
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So, do you believe that the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are three different gods?
Or do you believe that only the Father is God, but Jesus and the Holy Spirit are something lesser than God (like some kind of demigods)?
You have disputed that they are all one God, and you keep emphasizing the separate and distinctness.....so that causes me to think that you probably believe in three gods?
Or do you believe that only the Father is God, but Jesus and the Holy Spirit are something lesser than God (like some kind of demigods)?
You have disputed that they are all one God, and you keep emphasizing the separate and distinctness.....so that causes me to think that you probably believe in three gods?
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The fact you went here just shows you didn't study enough.
That verse (7) isn't in any of the original texts and wasn't in any texts at all until year 1000. Most commentator who are legit commentators don't even comment on that verse because it isn't supposed to be in scripture.
The story how it got put in is actually quite interesting if you wanna PM me about it.
But yeah that verse shouldn't be in the bible.
Google it if you want.
That verse (7) isn't in any of the original texts and wasn't in any texts at all until year 1000. Most commentator who are legit commentators don't even comment on that verse because it isn't supposed to be in scripture.
The story how it got put in is actually quite interesting if you wanna PM me about it.
But yeah that verse shouldn't be in the bible.
Google it if you want.
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Yes, that is what they think. However, they also think that the Father was once a human who was a good Mormon on another planet, and then was given godship of his own planet (Earth). They also think that the Father had a Father, and a Grandfather, etc. They think that when they die, if they are good Mormons, they get to become gods of their own planets, too.
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The hasty dismissal of this passage in most modern versions of the Bible is largely due to the fact that it is only found in eight of the five hundred Greek manuscripts that witness to the fifth chapter of I John. Consequently, it is almost unanimously regarded among modern textual critics as a later scribal emendation.