King James Bible vs. Modern Translations (Honoring The Deity of Jesus Christ)

[VCO]

Paranoid much? The Bible has plenty of contradictions, falsehoods and out right lies. It also has very many seemingly intelligent things to say. Many would argue the NT has plenty of parts that imply the end would be right after or shortly after Jesus left.

Why did Jesus say love thy enemy when he plans on torturing his in hell for all eternity?

"Let men men see your good works in public" then say do thine alms in secret?

A talking snake but all animals are for our benefit. Wouldn't a talking snake imply it had a soul?

t t t

There are NO contradictions in the Bible, ONLY misinterpretations that make it appear like a contradiction. Every time you think you found a contradiction, you can be absolutely certain that you mis-interpreted at least one of the verses.

Am I paranoid, NOT in the LEAST:

1 Thessalonians 5:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Revelation 6:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] and they *said to the mountains and to the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb;
[SUP]17 [/SUP] for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"

Revelation 3:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] 'Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.Revelation 19:9 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Then he said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!' " And he said to me, "These are the true sayings of God."

All born again Christians have a Wedding Invitation, Our (The Church HE has built) Wedding to the Lamb, Jesus Christ. It will begin just before He pours out His Wrath upon unbelievers of Earth. Thus I will not be here, when Antichrist begins his reign of terror, because I and all born again Christians who truly have the Holy Spirit in us (the oil in the lamps of the five wise virgins) will be Called Out to meet Him in the air to return to Heaven for the Wedding of the Lamb which will last Seven Years. I LONG for that day, to HEAR His ram's horn and to HEAR the Archangel SHOUT to call us OUT of our old dwelling place, Earth. No I am not like the unwise virgins who were not ready, I KEEP READY! In fact every time I see the sun's rays pop through the Clouds, I get all EXCITED; because I KNOW some day it will actually be SON's rays coming from HIS SHEKINAH GLORY.
http://bridalcovenant.com/wedding1.html

HOW LONG it has been since HE left?

In GOD's eyes it has ONLY been 2 days at the very most.

Psalm 90:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For in Your sight a thousand years are like yesterday that passes by, like a few hours of the night.

2 Peter 3:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Dear friends, don’t let this one thing escape you: With the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

WHY do you forget that HE is also a JUST GOD, and Must Carry out HIS PERFECT JUSTICE.

Romans 1:20 (NIV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

 

[Kerry]

Wow such indignation against God. I assume, whats your name, let me go back and see, Oak That you are not a christian or have a relationship with God and are somehow angry with Him. The bible does not contradict, only the teachings of man contradict. When what we've been taught don't line up with the word, we say aha a contradiction. But, it is only a contradiction of what you have been taught or told by man.

 

[VCO]

Wow such indignation against God. I assume, whats your name, let me go back and see, Oak That you are not a christian or have a relationship with God and are somehow angry with Him. The bible does not contradict, only the teachings of man contradict. When what we've been taught don't line up with the word, we say aha a contradiction. But, it is only a contradiction of what you have been taught or told by man.

I really like your saying: " Guns killing people is like saying spoons make people fat."

Shouldn't that be worded " Saying Guns are killing people, is like saying spoons are making people fat."

When I was looking for a new Avatar, I ran across a couple that I considered, that I think you might appreciate.

 

[Oak]

Well I guess my post got deleted, too much reality?

 

[Oak]

We have Jesus saying do thine alms in secret or you will not see thy Heavenly Father! then on the sermon on the mount he says do them in public

we have people that believe creation story but not that there is a firmament... On the same page of the Bible! Pick and choose just as any main stream catholic that accepts evolution.

Love thy enemies but Jesus is going to punish his in hell for all eternity?

i guess this post will get deleted too?

 

[Oak]

Your are falling for marketing, many right wing people feel they need or have God because they feel blessed to have what they have, instead of realizing how they got it they thank a totally unrelated source for it. Just as the North Koreans thank the dear leader after a doctor restores their sight or anything else.

would jesus indorse food stamps or wouldn't he? Of course he told you to be rid of all of your money and home etc and follow in the faith! The right wing is so confused it does not know what's going on... They claim to be Christians but at the same time spit on the poor.

I really like your saying: " Guns killing people is like saying spoons make people fat."

Shouldn't that be worded " Saying Guns are killing people, is like saying spoons are making people fat."

When I was looking for a new Avatar, I ran across a couple that I considered, that I think you might appreciate.

 

[Oak]

No a misinterpretation would be sayings he Lord's Prayer when it's obvious that it's a guide. Nobody can agree on anything within the religion. If they could you would not have so many different denominations. One church endorses women and gays being equal the other does not. Clearly the bible tells you that women are second to men, pretty much property. The bible clearly endorses plural marriage, rape, murder, and theft. Although you may have to pay the person you committed these crimes against, her father or husband.

its okay to own slaves! This is why the civil rights movement took so long for women and blacks.

the context of the bible is talking to Jews and people within your own tribe. It's teaching you how to get along and not kill each other but at the same time how to take advantage of others.

This is context is clear as day through out the KJV. God orders the Jews to kill other denominations and tribes.

 

[Oak]

How can God be omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, be outside of space and time (you just said he was with the 2 thousand years is two years to god) ?

these are MAJOR contradictions

the creation story is total bs then as God would know Adam and eve would eat from the tree and that the sneaky malicious serpent would LIE in the perfect world without sin!

 

[VCO]

Well I guess my post got deleted, too much reality?

No, if it did, my guess is you violated the rules. You may want to go back and actually read them.

But while you are still here, let me explain what a real Christian is.
Don't take offense to that, because there are a LOT of people who think they are Christians, when they have not even entered the right gate yet.

Matthew 7:13-14 (NIV)
[SUP]13[/SUP] "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Matthew 7:21 (NIV)
[SUP]21[/SUP]"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

John 14:15 (NIV)
[SUP]15[/SUP]"If you love me, you will obey what I command.

1 John 5:3 (NIV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,

So Christianity is more than intellectual knowledge of who He is; and if you think about it, even the Devil has that kind of knowledge.

So is it taking up space on a pew once in awhile that makes you a real Christian? NO, because sitting in Church does not make you a real Christian, any more then sitting in a garage would make you a real car. However actually listening to sermons is the best way to find that Small Narrow Gate that Jesus was talking about.

Romans 10:14-15 (NIV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

Romans 10:17 (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Hearing WHAT?

These verses would be a very good start:

Romans 3:22-24 (NIV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
[SUP]24 [/SUP] and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

1 John 1:9 (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

Okay, so we hear from His Word that we are a sinner, and this guilt comes into our hearts, sincerely wanting forgiveness; then we go directly to the LORD asking for His forgiveness. Then what? Isn't that works righteousness?

No, because that genuine Conviction of one's own sinfulness and that genuine desire to confess it, comes from the Work of the Holy Spirit on your heart.

THEN one needs to RECEIVE Jesus Christ into your heart, and the ability to do so, is also a Work of the Holy Spirit:

John 1:12-13 (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP] who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

But that leaves us with two more questions.

RECEIVED HIM AS WHAT?

And what is this "born of GOD" that He is talking about?

Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in Him,

The word Lord means MASTER, so that takes us back to "If you love me, you will obey what I command."
So it is a deep loving, personal relationship with Jesus Christ, where we totally out of a willing heart submit to Him as MASTER. THAT is the stepping through that Small Narrow Gate, which is the very beginning of being a real Christian. And as we step through that Small Narrow Gate we step firmly down onto that Narrow Road that He mentioned, and that Road is a LIFESTYLE of willingly walking in obedience to His commands to the best of our ability, because we love Him.

But what if we are not perfect at it? That is when the Holy Spirit brings back that conviction of sin and the desire to confess each new sin. That is also a characteristic of a genuine Christian.

1 John 1:9 (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

Wow! Then at that moment after confessing each new sin to GOD, we are seen by GOD as holy? Yes, but because of our sin nature that we are born with, we cannot seem to hang on to that for very long. The good news though, as we mature by feeding on His Word, is that the genuine Christian walk of obedience to HIM will get easier and easier.

Matthew 5:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.

So we will hunger to understand His Word after we step through that Small Narrow Gate.

But all that still leaves one question unanswered; what is that "born of GOD" that He mentioned?

I will try to explain this very simply, but there is an above average chance that this will sound like foolishness to you at this moment. However after you step through that Small Narrow Gate, it will all make perfect sense.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (NIV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Something very, very important and miraculous happens inside you, the very moment you step through that Small Narrow Gate that I described above. The Holy Spirit comes into your heart and He brings your human spirit that was dead to the will of GOD, to become eternally alive to the will of GOD.

John 3:3 (NIV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."

John 3:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

Colossians 2:13 (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,

1 John 5:11 (GW)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] This is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is found in his Son.

John 3:36 (NIV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."

We humans are made up of three parts, Body, Soul, and spirit. Soul is simply the human mind or psyche. So Body and Soul are alive and functioning normally (in most cases) at natural birth. The human spirit however is not functioning as GOD intended, because of the inherited sin nature that we inherited from the sin of Adam. Our human spirit is "dead to the will of GOD", at natural birth, so our human spirit is unnoticeable as we grow up, because it is totally in tune with the will of the flesh that is in our soul (the human mind). HOWEVER, when we step through that Small Narrow Gate, the Holy Spirit brings our human spirit to become eternally alive to the will of GOD; and our human spirit thinks TOO. All of a sudden it is like having two minds at work in us, and ONE wants to always do the will of GOD, while the other wants to do the will of the flesh. Here is Paul struggling with the reality of those two minds battling one another for control.


Romans 7:15-25 (NIV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For in my inner being I delight in God's law;
[SUP]23 [/SUP] but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

As we feed our born again spirit the Word of GOD, it will grow and mature. The more spiritual food (the Word of God) you take in the faster it matures. So I can joyfully testify that eventually the mature human spirit that wants to do the will of God, will eventually become dominant over the soul that wants to do the will of the flesh.

Anything less than coming to Christ through that Small Narrow Gate as described above, is a counterfeit Christianity, because that IS THE VERY STARTING POINT. How do I know? I was one of those counterfeit Christians until I was 29 years old, and after a third attempt at suicide, I surrendered complete control of my life to JESUS CHRIST as my LORD, and I can testify that everything I described has happened in me. This verse will also validate that NO submission to HIM as LORD and MASTER, is a Counterfeit of Christianity:

1 John 2:4 (NIV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[Oak]

Sorry you had to type all of that out friend. I have read the NT several times especially Matthew and John.

I fully understand what the book says I just do not believe what the book says friend. I even believe Jesus existed! Most people agree he was baptized by John and killed in the manor told in the Bible.

Not one thing points to humans having eternal life. We are not that special we were not created by God. The earth is more than 6000 years old. The heavens are clearly farther away than the firmament. (moon landing and plenty of space exploration.

 

[VCO]

How can God be omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, be outside of space and time (you just said he was with the 2 thousand years is two years to god) ?

these are MAJOR contradictions

the creation story is total bs then as God would know Adam and eve would eat from the tree and that the sneaky malicious serpent would LIE in the perfect world without sin!

t t t
Two thousand years is like Two DAYS or much LESS to GOD. God is not a created being traveling through time, HE is the Creator of time as we know it. HE IS THEE ETERNAL BEING.

YES GOD is OMNIPRESENT in all space and in all time. He declares the end from the beginning because HE is simultaneously Omnipresent in BOTH. He wrote our names in the Book of Life before the foundation of the World, because being Omnipresent in all time HE simply Chose those who are Choosing to Receive HIM as LORD. So predestination and the free will choosing of HIM are not a contradiction, they simply are two sides of the same coin.

So if I can show you that 5000 witnesses or more were present to see EXACTLY how He Creates, will you Believe and receive HIM as LORD AND MASTER?

Malachi 3:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.

Colossians 1:16-18 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He is before all things, and by Him all things hold together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything. {Who does this say the Creator of everything in the Universe is? Correct, it is CHRIST, part of GOD Himself, before He became a man, who IS THE CREATOR.}

Ephesians 5:23 (NIV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.

Matthew 14:15-21 (NIV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] As evening approached, the disciples came to him and said, "This is a remote place, and it's already getting late. Send the crowds away, so they can go to the villages and buy themselves some food."
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Jesus replied, "They do not need to go away. You give them something to eat."
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "We have here only five loaves of bread and two fish," they answered.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] "Bring them here to me," he said.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people.
{Right in front of their eyes, HE, the Creator, continually created more loaves and more fully grown fish ready to eat (dried fish most likely), and NOT ONE of all the World's modern day scientific age testing devices or methods or theories, would have gotten the age of those loaves and fish correct. NOT ONE OF THEM. So if the Scientific theories, devices, and methods are worthless to test the age of those created loaves and fish, then they are equally worthless to test the age of anything in the Universe that HE created, because it was all created by HIM, and the wisdom of all mankind cannot measure the POWER OF GOD.}
[SUP]20 [/SUP] They all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] The number of those who ate was about five thousand men, besides women and children.

 

[VCO]

Sorry you had to type all of that out friend. I have read the NT several times especially Matthew and John.

I fully understand what the book says I just do not believe what the book says friend. I even believe Jesus existed! Most people agree he was baptized by John and killed in the manor told in the Bible.

Not one thing points to humans having eternal life. We are not that special we were not created by God. The earth is more than 6000 years old. The heavens are clearly farther away than the firmament. (moon landing and plenty of space exploration.

The spirit of a born again human HAS ETERNAL LIFE ALREADY.

Sounds like you, in you own mind, Created a false Jesus Christ.

Because the REAL Jesus Christ is both HUMAN and GOD in the flesh.

His Body and Soul are certainly HUMAN, but HIS SPIRIT is certainly GOD.

You did not HEAR with Spiritual EARS, therefore you do not understand HIM, nor HIS WORD.

THE REAL JESUS is GOD who created in the womb of Mary a body that Part of HIMSELF could enter,
so that HE Who is Eternal could die for our sins, becoming the PERFECT EXAMPLE of what HE
defines the ULTIMATE FORM OF LOVE.

John 15:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] No one has greater love than this, that someone would lay down his life for his friends.

For GOD to demonstrate the GREATEST FORM OF LOVE, then HE HIMSELF had to experience that
death on the CROSS, not just an offspring. Besides an offspring of GOD would make a second GOD.

Isaiah 43:10-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.


I can tell you know little about the Bible, because the BIBLE says there are three heavens.

The Third Heaven is the Eternal dwelling place of GOD.

The Second Heaven is the Universe, the stars of heaven and the galaxies.

The First Heaven is what the Birds fly through and the rain falls from, hence it is the Atmosphere.

2 Corinthians 12:2 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know--God knows.

No you very definitely do not FULLY UNDERSTAND IT, and I would be hesitant about saying I do not believe it, if I was you.

But SINCE you did say it, "Then WHY ARE YOU HERE, if you do not believe it?" If you truly did not believe it, WHY WOULD YOU WASTE THE TIME on something you claim to NOT believe in? Is it just some sick way to get your jollies, making fun of Christians? If so, I know you did not read the rules, because they do actively ban you for that. If you are truly still seeking the Truth, we will be happy to share it with you. So which is it?

Joshua 24:14-15 (NIV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "Now fear the LORD and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your forefathers worshiped beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the LORD.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD."

Romans 1:18-22 (NIV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

Psalm 14:1 (NIV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." . . . .

John 10:26-28 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] "But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
[SUP]28 [/SUP] and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

You can NEVER truly understand these things without first stepping through the Small Narrow Gate of Receiving HIM as LORD, which means MASTER, to become born again in your spirit. You only remain lord of your own life. Until you LET HIM take that throne in your heart, submitting to HIM AS LORD; it will remain impossible for you to hear with spiritual understanding the Words of GOD.

 

[Oak]

I know now what the book says friend. The book does not actually prove anything, it's all magic and conjecture. Your not even reading the correct version of the book. You can cite as much scripture as you like, i have read it all. Enough to see that God is pretty angry and mean.

People confuse themselves into thinking Jesus is a separate entity when he is God, God sacrificed himself to himself, God changed his own mind in version 2.0 (Jesus)

Think about how you are republican, your against poor people. Take your guns read your catholic version of the Bible.

The spirit of a born again human HAS ETERNAL LIFE ALREADY.

Sounds like you, in you own mind, Created a false Jesus Christ.

Because the REAL Jesus Christ is both HUMAN and GOD in the flesh.

His Body and Soul are certainly HUMAN, but HIS SPIRIT is certainly GOD.

You did not HEAR with Spiritual EARS, therefore you do not understand HIM, nor HIS WORD.

THE REAL JESUS is GOD who created in the womb of Mary a body that Part of HIMSELF could enter,
so that HE Who is Eternal could die for our sins, becoming the PERFECT EXAMPLE of what HE
defines the ULTIMATE FORM OF LOVE.

John 15:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] No one has greater love than this, that someone would lay down his life for his friends.

For GOD to demonstrate the GREATEST FORM OF LOVE, then HE HIMSELF had to experience that
death on the CROSS, not just an offspring. Besides an offspring of GOD would make a second GOD.

Isaiah 43:10-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.


I can tell you know little about the Bible, because the BIBLE says there are three heavens.

The Third Heaven is the Eternal dwelling place of GOD.

The Second Heaven is the Universe, the stars of heaven and the galaxies.

The First Heaven is what the Birds fly through and the rain falls from, hence it is the Atmosphere.

2 Corinthians 12:2 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know--God knows.

No you very definitely do not FULLY UNDERSTAND IT, and I would be hesitant about saying I do not believe it, if I was you.

But SINCE you did say it, "Then WHY ARE YOU HERE, if you do not believe it?" If you truly did not believe it, WHY WOULD YOU WASTE THE TIME on something you claim to NOT believe in? Is it just some sick way to get your jollies, making fun of Christians? If so, I know you did not read the rules, because they do actively ban you for that. If you are truly still seeking the Truth, we will be happy to share it with you. So which is it?

Joshua 24:14-15 (NIV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "Now fear the LORD and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your forefathers worshiped beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the LORD.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD."

Romans 1:18-22 (NIV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

Psalm 14:1 (NIV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." . . . .

John 10:26-28 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] "But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
[SUP]28 [/SUP] and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

You can NEVER truly understand these things without first stepping through the Small Narrow Gate of Receiving HIM as LORD, which means MASTER, to become born again in your spirit. You only remain lord of your own life. Until you LET HIM take that throne in your heart, submitting to HIM AS LORD; it will remain impossible for you to hear with spiritual understanding the Words of GOD.

 

[VCO]

No a misinterpretation would be sayings he Lord's Prayer when it's obvious that it's a guide. Nobody can agree on anything within the religion. If they could you would not have so many different denominations. One church endorses women and gays being equal the other does not. Clearly the bible tells you that women are second to men, pretty much property. The bible clearly endorses plural marriage, rape, murder, and theft. Although you may have to pay the person you committed these crimes against, her father or husband.

its okay to own slaves! This is why the civil rights movement took so long for women and blacks.

the context of the bible is talking to Jews and people within your own tribe. It's teaching you how to get along and not kill each other but at the same time how to take advantage of others.

This is context is clear as day through out the KJV. God orders the Jews to kill other denominations and tribes.

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You will find that ALL of the Denominations within the Mainline Christianity (those who believe in the Holy Trinity) have exactly the SAME Core Beliefs on all the Major Doctrines of the Bible. The things that separate the denominations, are the Minor issues, especially the gray area issues. SUCH AS:

Elder Rule or Congregational Rule

Baptism by Immersion or by pouring or sprinkling

Should the Lord's prayer be used ONLY as model for all prayer, or Recited in every Service.

Are tongues for today or were they ONLY an Apostolic gift to validate the New Testament.

Should we use a ritualistic Order of Service or SPEND quality time Teaching the Word instead.

Is the Church going through the Tribulation or are we getting called out before Tribulation to go to the Wedding of the LAMB.

Is it called Infant Baptism or Infant Dedication to the LORD.

etc.


NEVER WILL YOU SEE US who belong to Mainline Churches, Disagreeing on the CORE BELIEFS:

The Doctrine of the Holy Trinity,

The Inspiration & In-errancy of the Bible in it's original languages,

The Plan of Salvation including the great PRICE HE PAID for our sins,

The physical Death and the physical Resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord.

The reality of Heaven and Hell

etc.

Don't believe me? Then look it up, most Churches today have a "Doctrinal Statement" or "What we believe" links on their website. Make sure they are teaching the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity first, because those that don't, are not considered part of Mainline Christianity.

NO YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG ABOUT the Bible Endorsing the SINS you listed. Told you that you could not understand the Bible before you went through the Small Narrow Gate of receiving Him as LORD. The Bible is actually giving us examples of Good Behavior, AND Bad Behavior to be used as Object Lessons.

Why did GOD allow diversity in the Church? We human beings are Diverse and what appeals to one, may not appeal to others. In fact in the first three chapters of Revelation, you will find Seven types of Churches listed and CHRIST RECOGNIZES ALL SEVEN. Who are we to recognize less. For example, what appeals to me are Churches that have one hour Bible Teaching Sermon, and a half hour devoted to Praise Music and prayer. A hellfire and brimstone preacher will turn me off in a few minutes; but I KNOW there are lot of people who need that or they do not feel like they worshiped.

 

[VCO]

I know now what the book says friend. The book does not actually prove anything, it's all magic and conjecture. Your not even reading the correct version of the book. You can cite as much scripture as you like, i have read it all. Enough to see that God is pretty angry and mean.

People confuse themselves into thinking Jesus is a separate entity when he is God, God sacrificed himself to himself, God changed his own mind in version 2.0 (Jesus)

Think about how you are republican, your against poor people. Take your guns read your catholic version of the Bible.

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I hate to sound like a broken record, but you are WRONG AGAIN, because you have not entered that Small Narrow Gate, you can never fully understand the Word of GOD. When you step through that Small Narrow Gate, not only do you hear with spiritual understanding, but the BIBLE clearly becomes the FINAL AUTHORITY FOR ALL THINGS, and GOD speaks to your heart THROUGH HIS PRINTED WORD.

Who said I am Republican, all I said is I am definitely NOT a Democrat. I vote for the BEST Christian Candidate running, but the party platform of the Democrats fequently goes against my Christian Beliefs.

Did you not know that owning a weapon for self defense purposes, is VERY BIBLICAL:

Luke 22:36 (NASB)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.



Once again, THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE?

 

[VCO]

I just don't have a problem with any one of the 9 Bible Translations that I use and have open on my Bible software, and frequently when copy/pasting a verse, I just pick the one my eyes happen to fall on first in the search box, because ALL 9 TRANSLATIONS pop up in the search window. A LOT of KJV ONLY Zelots, call other Translations "perversions" or even "of Satan". Some even call the KJV "the Inspired Version", and look on the King James Traslators as their infallible TRUTH Heroes, and do everything they can to put the KJV on the HIGHEST Pedestal in the World. So I did a little research into the History of the KJV and found some VERY INTERESTING THINGS ON A COUPLE OF WELL DOCUMENTED SITES.

Has anyone ever actually ever read the History of the KJV Bible: History of the King James Version

That over inflated KJV BUBBLE up there on that extremely over elevated Pedestal, my be ready to BURST. In that link above in the section ENTITLED: "Completion of the Revision" you will find:

"This "Authorized Version" never was authorized by royal proclamation, by order of Council, by act of Parliament or by vote of Convocation. Whether the words "appointed to be read in churches" were used by order of the editors, or by the will of the printer, is unknown. The original manuscripts of this work are wholly lost, no trace of them having been discovered since about 1655.

The title-page speaks of this version as being "with the former translations diligently compared and revised." In their address to the readers, the translators themselves say: "Truly, we never thought, from the beginning ... that we should need to make a new translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one; but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principal good one."

SEE IT? The translators admitted to paraphrasing large portions of the KJV from older English Versions instead of Translating it. Yes they did refer to copies of copies of manuscripts in the original languages, when there was a question if the older English Versions had it right. Since they paraphrased LARGE PORITONS of the KJV, it CANNOT be called a TRANSLATION. So they used mostly older English Translations and some original language copies of copies of original manuscripts on certain verses, BECAUSE original manuscripts have NEVER BEEN FOUND; YET KJV ONLY Zelots will erroneously say "older translations such as the KJV are actually closer to the original text". I REPEAT the original texts have never been found so how would they know? The facts are that newer Translations incorporated some even OLDER copies of original language manuscripts, than were available when the KJV was translated. SO using that logic, would make the KJV obsolete. But the most important thing to remember is MOST of the modern versions are ACTUAL TRANSLATIONS, and not paraphrased from an earlier English Translation.

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I do not have the original ten dollar bill but I will take all the copies you will give me. I have never seen the original constitution of the United States but thank God I have all the benefits of it. So we do not have the original copy the apostles wrote but we have around 5,000 copies of it and every word of God has been preserved in them. We do not have the original manuscripts but we do have the original words. We do not need the original copy, the first copy. If we had it some people would make an idol of it, I’m sure. By the way, no one has the original copy (the first manuscript) of the 1611 KJV, though many copies of the first printing exist.

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THEY BELIEVED TRANSLATORS WERE NOT INSPIRED

On page 4 the KJV translators said the Septuagint translators were interpreters. (See Appendix A, quote 2) They were not prophets. They did many things as learned men but yet as men they stumbled and fell. So the King James translators believed that translation was a purely human work. They made mistakes.

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So the King James translators did not believe in condemning other translations. We dare not condemn any translation, they say, unlike many people today.

The Wycliff English Bible came out in 1382, the Tyndale Bible in 1525, the Coverdale in 1535, the Rogers Bible in 1537, the Great Bible in 1539, the Geneva in 1560 and the Bishops in 1568. So when the King James Bible came out in 1611 there were many English translations just as there are today. But the King James translators did not condemn any. They did not consider other versions to be a curse but said "they had been raised up by God for the furnishing of His church." They did not believe in pointing out errors and belittling other versions of the Bible. This applied to English Translations and "those beyond the sea." They would be totally against attacking other translations like many people are doing today.


THEY BELIEVED ALL TRANSLATIONS WERE THE WORD OF GOD

On page 7, the King James translators say, "Nay, we affirm and avow that the meanest translation of the Bible in English is the word of God." (See Appendix A, quote 4) When they say "meanest" they mean the poorest, the worst. So they believed that every translation was the word of God, no matter how many mistakes it had. This is the exact opposite of those who believe the King James is the only Bible for the English speaking people. Those who revere the King James translators so much, believe just the opposite of what the translators themselves believed.

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Many People today are "King James Only." The KJV translators certainly were not. They said on page 10 that a "Variety of translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures…must needs do good, yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded."

. . . .http://www.kjvonly.org/robert/joyner_were_the_kjv.htm

My, look how far KJV ONLY Zelots have drifted from the position that the KJV Translators themselves affirmed they believed in.

 

[Oak]

Do not think saying that about the KJV is helping your cause. It has been the standard for Protestant christianity and without it you might be a Muslim...

 

[didymos]

Do not think saying that about the KJV is helping your cause. It has been the standard for Protestant christianity and without it you might be a Muslim...

It has never been the standard HERE, and we're (still) not a muslim country.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

It has never been the standard HERE, and we're (still) not a muslim country.

The Authorized King James Holy Bible is the Ultimate and Absolute Standard and will always be. The King James Bible is the Book that made this country and England great.

 

[didymos]

The Authorized King James Holy Bible is the Ultimate and Absolute Standard and will always be(...)

I'm dutch so derp dee derp