Attack of the Judaizers

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danschance

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The OP goes right to Paul as the standard "Christianity". Paul is not God. If following Christ makes you a Christian then what does following Paul make you?
Really? I can't quote Paul in a post? That is just plain silly. Your argument is a classic straw man logical fallacy. I quoted what Paul wrote in scripture and you accuse me of being a follower of Paul and not Christ. Then you go way out on a limb and even suggest I think Paul is God.

What a bizarre accusation. Just for the record, I never have thought Paul is a god or even God.
 
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Really? I can't quote Paul in a post? That is just plain silly. Your argument is a classic straw man logical fallacy. I quoted what Paul wrote in scripture and you accuse me of being a follower of Paul and not Christ. Then you go way out on a limb and even suggest I think Paul is God.
Paul is the greatest offense to a modern day Judaizer.
He was one of them, but now he points everything toward Christ, and everything away from the shadows.
No wonder they try their hardest to discredit him.
 

Hizikyah

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Paul said it was one who lived like a Jew, as explained here.

It's not complicated.
The problem here is very simple, the pharisees problem was not that they kepy Yahweh's Law but they did it without love, THEY DID NOT KEEP IT AT ALL....THEY MADE UP THEIR OWN RELIGION.

Many do not understand this and make no difference between Yahweh;s Instructions and pharisee law kak tradition.

If this is not understood I see how a complete misunderstanding of EVEY one of Yahshua's encounters can be misunderstood and Shaul writings can be misunderstood, Shaul grew up a pharisee.......

Mark 7:7-9, "But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. For laying aside the Law of Yahweh, you hold the tradition of men! Then He said to them: How well you reject the Law of Yahweh, so that you may keep your own tradition!"

Most poeple think Matt 15 is about food, it is about a hand wahing ceremony MADE UP by pharisees and commanded as higher than Yahweh's Law, which contains a special silver pitcher and a fake prayer.....

but I would be surprised if anyone even cares about understanding the truth behind this, why start caring about truth now right? "The bible I have says Jesus declared all foods clean, trichinosis worm here I come!!!!!"
 

Hizikyah

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Those that glory in their iniquity forget "Paul" wrote this:

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.
 
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I think all this haggling about "don't follow anything God told Jews" "it isn't Christ, but what you do about Jews" is like sand thrown in a Christian's eyes. We will not go to hell if we decide to follow a practice told of in the OT, that isn't what is going to do it. We will go to hell if we deny the salvation Christ offers. If we give our life to Christ, Christ will live in us. We will love Him. Then we will read His words, learn all we can about our beloved, and follow Him best we can with our obedience. In return, we will have that forgiveness, and we will live with Him forever.

All this about be careful not to follow anything written in the obsolete OT will be a nightmarish memory, Christ followed the OT, we will find out what of it Christ has taken over, and what is still valid. It will be without all this fear of the Father and what God told the Jews. We will be free.
 

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Are the Feasts "Jewish Feasts"? Can't find in scripture.

Did Sabbath begin with "Jews"? Can't find in scripture.

Attack of the Christians on God's Feasts and His Sabbath.

Romans 3:31
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Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Psalm 119:126
It is time for thee, Lord, to work: for they have made void thy law.

First, it was the Pharisees that made God's law void by their adding to God's perfect word. Now, it has been the Christians of mainstream theology adding and subtracting from God's perfect Word. Of which, both Genesis and John show that Jesus is the creator of all things.
 
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The problem here is very simple, the pharisees problem was not that they kepy Yahweh's Law but they did it without love, THEY DID NOT KEEP IT AT ALL....THEY MADE UP THEIR OWN RELIGION.

Many do not understand this and make no difference between Yahweh;s Instructions and pharisee law kak tradition.

If this is not understood I see how a complete misunderstanding of EVEY one of Yahshua's encounters can be misunderstood and Shaul writings can be misunderstood, Shaul grew up a pharisee.......

Mark 7:7-9, "But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. For laying aside the Law of Yahweh, you hold the tradition of men! Then He said to them: How well you reject the Law of Yahweh, so that you may keep your own tradition!"

Most poeple think Matt 15 is about food, it is about a hand wahing ceremony MADE UP by pharisees and commanded as higher than Yahweh's Law, which contains a special silver pitcher and a fake prayer.....

but I would be surprised if anyone even cares about understanding the truth behind this, why start caring about truth now right? "The bible I have says Jesus declared all foods clean, trichinosis worm here I come!!!!!"
The Pharisees were not the only ones needing to be saved. The sacrifice of Christ is sufficient for all. It is sinful to force the yoke of the Law on another.

To those who are beside me in defending the Gospel of Jesus Christ, be gentle and moderate when correcting these babes. They don't understand because it has not yet been revealed to them. The attitude of Christ should be evident in our words, not sarcasm or frustration.
 
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Originally Posted by Hizikyah

A "Judaizer" is one who promotes Judaism



A Judaizer is one:
1) who teaches gentiles to act like Jews. (Gal 2:14)
2) who blends a portion of the Mosaic law with Christianity.(Gal. 5:4)
3) who never call themselves Judaizers. (A personal observation)
4) who promotes "another gospel" (Gal 1:8)
5) who has been severed from Christ (Gal 5:4)
 

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Originally Posted by Hizikyah

A "Judaizer" is one who promotes Judaism



A Judaizer is one:
1) who teaches gentiles to act like Jews. (Gal 2:14)
2) who blends a portion of the Mosaic law with Christianity.(Gal. 5:4)
3) who never call themselves Judaizers. (A personal observation)
4) who promotes "another gospel" (Gal 1:8)
5) who has been severed from Christ (Gal 5:4)
According to your made up/mis-intrepreted views, Paul and Yahshua were "judaizers."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Yahchanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."

Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"

Mattithyah 5:20-30, ""For I say to you: Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will certainly not enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment; But I say to you: Whoever is angry with his brother will be in danger of the judgment! Again, anyone who says; Raca! insulting your brother, will be in danger of the Sanhedrin, but whoever says: Nabel! desiring them to fall away, will be in danger of the fire of Gehenna. Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there you remember that your brother has something against you; Leave your gift there before the altar, and go first and be reconciled with your brother; then come and offer your gift. Settle a controversy with your accuser quickly, before he gets you into court; or your adversary may deliver you to the judge, the judge deliver you to the officer, and you be put into prison. Truly I say to you: You will never come out of there until you have paid the last penny. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not commit adultery; But I say to you: Whoever looks on a woman with lust for her, has already committed ladultery with her in his heart. So if your right eye causes you to offend; sin, gouge it out and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna. Or if your right hand causes you to offend, cut it off and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna."

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

I fear you shipwreck many and lead them into the mystery of iniquity, but ones heart chooses if they will forsake the Instructions of the Father.....
 

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Originally Posted by Hizikyah

A "Judaizer" is one who promotes Judaism



A Judaizer is one:
1) who teaches gentiles to act like Jews. (Gal 2:14)
2) who blends a portion of the Mosaic law with Christianity.(Gal. 5:4)
3) who never call themselves Judaizers. (A personal observation)
4) who promotes "another gospel" (Gal 1:8)
5) who has been severed from Christ (Gal 5:4)
Is following the Law of God opposing to grace? What did Paul mean when he accused the Galatians of falling from grace? What did they do? How does our Savior become of no effect?

Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law ; ye are fallen from grace .

Since Galatians is a letter, not a single verse written with a specific context, we should determine and that for our understanding.

Galatians were being falsely taught to keep God’s Law for salvation. False teachers (“Circumcision Party” - Ga 2:7-12; 5:12 and “Works of Law” - Ga 2:16;3:2;3:5;3:10) began promoting their doctrine (“oral law”) which required Gentiles to be circumcised in a certain way to be justified for salvation (saved).

Ga 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law , but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified . This theme continues throughout Galatians (i.e. Ga 2:21; 3:2; 3:3; 3:5; 3:11; 5:4).

“Works of Law” Qumran document 4QMMT (4Q394-5) gives us some insight into a Jewish sect in the first century, called “Works of Law.” The Jewish Works of Law believed many things that were contrary to God’s Law and also taught that Gentiles could not be saved. They were not living God’s Law in faith, but living their own invented law - which was a twisted form of God’s Law and a similar practice of the 6 sects of the Pharisees. Their doctrine was very similar to those of the Circumcision Party. This would be why Galatians 6:13 states that this group, which is supposedly teaching God’s Law for salvation, but does not even keep God’s Law themselves.

“Circumcision Party” The Jewish sect of the “Circumcision Party” appears in Acts 10:45;11:2; 15; Ga 2:7-12 Ga 5:12; Eph. 2:11; Titus 1:10. This knowledge makes this verse become more clear: Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law from grace . ; ye are fallen.

Trying to be justified by the law is the same as falling from grace. We are justified into salvation by grace through faith, not by obedience to the Law of God. Does that mean we are to not be obedient to the "law of God" in our faith? No, of course not. Paul also wrote: Ro 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish the law. Ro 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Ro 7:22 For I delight in the "law of God" after the inward man:


Ro 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the "law of sin" which is in my members.

Y'shua (Jesus) even said: Mt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law , or the prophets: I do not come to destroy, but to fulfill (with meaning). Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass , one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all (law and prophets) be fulfilled. Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments , and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven : but whosoever shall do and teach them , the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven .

Y'shua (Jesus) stated that not one of God’s commandments was to be “abolished” or “put an end to” until all of the Law and Prophets are fulfilled and Heaven and earth pass away. Heaven and earth passing away by being made new is the last prophetic event foretold in scripture. Isaiah 65:17 "Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth . The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind. Revelation 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth , for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away , Please note that this event has clearly not yet happened.

Y'shua (Jesus) states that all of God’s Law will exist at LEAST UNTIL the day that the Lord states: Revelation 21:5-6 He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new !" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true." He said to me: "It is done. the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I am the Alpha and Christ’s work on the cross for our salvation is finished (John 19:30), but the Lord is not yet finished with what has been said in all of His Law and Prophets until He says, “It is done.” This statement is signaled by the new Heaven and New Earth. If this scripture is true, then what scriptural gymnastics do some teachers employ to avoid such a conclusion? Well, if they touch the verse at all, it creates quite an embarrassing mess. Some teach that in Matthew 5:1, fulfill means “to put and end to” or to “finish.” This is done (by their own admission) to avoid the clear teaching of Jesus that not one of God’s commandments are to pass away from the law. This also preserves their misinterpretations of Paul’s letters. If this interpretation is indeed true, we should be able to apply such teaching to scripture, and it should make logical sense - as God is not the author of confusion. We are commanded to test all things and only hold on to what is good (1 Thes. 5:20).

Let’s test the teaching that “fulfill” means “to put and end to” or “finish”, instead of the theory that “fulfill” simply means to “fill up the whole and complete meaning” of God’s Law. Can “fulfill” in Mt 5:17 mean “to put an end to".


Mt 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I do not come to destroy (the law), but to “put and end Huh? (to the law")

Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law , till all (law and prophets) be fulfilled. Double huh?

Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments (that I just put an end to), and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven : but whosoever shall do and teach them (even though I put an end to them), the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven . Triple huh?

There are only two possible interpretations of “fulfill” in Matthew 5:17.

1) One is that Y'shua (Jesus) came to “fulfill the real meaning of God’s law” which the Pharisees polluted through their oral law. This makes sense because anytime Y’shua (Jesus) was around the Pharisees, this was precisely the point and purpose of all of His teachings. Y’shua was the walking Torah taught us how to correctly walk the way God wants us to walk in His law, and not the way men want us to walk in God’s law.

2) The second is that “fulfill” in Matthew 5:17 means to “complete, finish, or put an end to.” All one has to do is insert that definition into the context of the scripture to witness how such an interpretation is illogical and absurd.

A literal rendering of the Greek, technically accepts either interpretation. G4137 plteroo play-ro'-o from G4134; to make replete, i.e. (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.:--accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full fully preach, perfect , supply. (Strong's) (come),

The only interpretation of “fulfill” that fits the context and avoids logical absurdities is the one in which Jesus is teaching that He will make full or fully preach God’s law. Y'shua (Jesus) came to fully preach and teach us the full meaning of God’s law.

The Galatians made the mistake of applying the false doctrine which taught that they must be circumcised for salvation. This is legalism, not simple obedience.

1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; We know that they were incorrectly using the "law of God" lawfully, but incorrectly. We are to keep the Law of God to express our love back to Him, not to try to earn salvation.

John 14:15 “If ye love me, keep my commandments .”

John 14:21 “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me : and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”

John 14:23-24 “Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words : and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loves me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.”

John 15:10 “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love ; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.”

1 John 2:4-5 “He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.”

1 John 5:3 “For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments : and his commandments are not grievous .”

2nd John 1:6 “And this is love, that we walk after his commandments .” We are to be obedient to the Law of God because of our salvation not for our salvation.

1Jn 4:19 We love him (obedience), because he first loved us (grace). Obedience is simply the evidence of our faith (James 2:26).

Paul was simply trying to bring the Galatians back into God’s grace through faith and teach against the error of using the Law of God for salvation. Nowhere in all of Galatians does Paul teach that we should not keep the Law of God in obedience. If he did, he would be contradicting himself, Y'shua (Jesus), and countless other verses in Scripture.
 

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Elin said:
Paul said Judaizer was one who lived like a Jew, as explained here.

It's not complicated.
The problem here is very simple, the pharisees problem was not that they kepy Yahweh's Law but they did it without love,
Paul was not dealing with keeping the law without love.

He was dealing with requiring Gentiles to live like Jews, which is Judaizing.

Mark 7:7-9, "But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. For laying aside the Law of Yahweh, you hold the tradition of men! Then He said to them: How well you reject the Law of Yahweh, so that you may keep your own tradition!"
Just what we have by NT Judaizers.

Mk 7:19 is clear.

"(In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)"

You do a lot of footwork to avoid what the NT word of God plainly states.

"The bible I have says Jesus declared all foods clean, trichinosis worm here I come!!!!!"
Another failed attempt to unseat the plain NT word of God.
 

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Those that glory in their iniquity forget "Paul" wrote this:

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means!
Rather, we establish the Law!"
So those who believe the NT "glory in their iniquity?"

Yes, NT grace establishes the law, because

no one can meet the requirements necessary to become righteous under the law (Ro 3:20),
and it curses all who don't (Dt 7:26, Gal 3:10),

so that by the Law all men are justly cursed to damnation.

There is only one righteousness that can meet the requirements of the law,

it is a righteousness from God apart from the Law (Ro 3:21); i.e., the righteousness of Jesus Christ
(Ro 5:19, 21),

a gift from God (Ro 3:21; 5:17), through faith (Ro 3:28), given to meet the requirements of the Law.

Since the requirements of the Law have now been fully met in us (not by us), (Ro 8:4)

we are no longer under/subject to the law (1Co 9:20; Gal 3:25, 4:21, 5:18; Ro 7:6)

but instead are under/subject to the grace of Christ (Ro 3:24, 4:16, 5:21, 6:14-15; Tit 2:11).

So the law is established by Christ's meeting its requirements for us,

so that now through faith we are righteous according to it.

And since our faith in Jesus Christ gives us righteousness (Ro 5:17, 3:21),

the law is no longer necessary for our righteousness and has, therefore, been set aside (Heb 7:18-19)

because it was weak and useless to make us righteous.

Grace has established the law by fulfilling it, making it unnecessary and, therefore, setting it aside
(Heb 7:18-19).
 

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I think all this haggling about "don't follow anything God told Jews" "it isn't Christ, but what you do about Jews" is like sand thrown in a Christian's eyes. We will not go to hell if we decide to follow a practice told of in the OT, that isn't what is going to do it. We will go to hell if we deny the salvation Christ offers. If we give our life to Christ, Christ will live in us. We will love Him. Then we will read His words, learn all we can about our beloved, and follow Him best we can with our obedience. In return, we will have that forgiveness, and we will live with Him forever.

All this about be careful not to follow anything written in the obsolete OT will be a nightmarish memory, Christ followed the OT, we will find out what of it Christ has taken over, and what is still valid. It will be without all this fear of the Father and what God told the Jews. We will be free.
The born again are free now.
 
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Hmm so what you are saying we should ignore a significant part of the New Testament because in your eyes Paul was a heretic.

I never said that. Did you want to say for me anything else that I did not say? Slander much?


Hmmmmm... Think I will stay with the Bible!
Written like a true Protestant. You mean that you will stick to the books of the bible that have not been removed so that the heretical protestant message shines through? Is that what you mean to say?: I mean, if we are going to speak for each other I will have a go at it to, eh?
 
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Paul is the greatest offense to a modern day Judaizer.
He was one of them, but now he points everything toward Christ, and everything away from the shadows.
No wonder they try their hardest to discredit him.
It isn't the ones who try to tell others that we need to try to obey God's law if we love Christ. You are the ones who say Paul wanted us to discredit what God said when he spoke against the law of Moses. It is you who are discrediting Paul by saying that Paul said God was wrong. Why not dig deeper into Paul's words instead of jumping to the conclusion that Paul would speak against God? God breathed to Paul what Paul said. Would God speak against God? When Paul said "law of Moses" it is difficult to understand from 2014, I agree, but there is enough information about it so we can, if we rry, to understand. But to decide it was God speaking against God is something every Christian who listens to the words of God would know is not so. True Christians could not think that. It is against all that God is.
 

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You mean that you will stick to the books of the bible that have not been removed so that the heretical protestant message shines through?
Sounds like a perfect plan to me
 
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Grace has established the law by fulfilling it, making it unnecessary and, therefore, setting it aside
(Heb 7:18-19).
There is almost an entire bible teaching us about law, almost all of them saying it guides us to a wonderful life. Many verses are about the blessings from obedience. If you read this as cancelling out most of the bible, but as a teaching to ignore any law, then you have to redo the bible. It could be, don't you think, that instead the meaning of this verse should be examined closely.
 
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Nope. . .it's quite simple, it's the name for those who want to subject the NT to the OT.
Nope, that is not the definition.

Here,

Judaizers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And you know this, how?
In your case, by your handle/name I assume that you are a women. Paul states emphatically that you are not to instruct me. So if you want to talk about the weather, fine, if you want to talk about religion, you need to remain quite in church and not talk about religion until you get home, with your head covered or your hair shaved off and then you can ask your husband inside your house.

So Paul opposes Jesus, or vice versa?
Well, I should have said the protestant abuse of Paul opposes Jesus, but ya.

Methinks thou dost not understand the NT. . .and is precisely what the OP is addressing.
Well, you have not demonstrated this, please do. As to the OP, he is pointing out heresy, and the irony is too funny.
 

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It isn't the ones who try to tell others that we need to try to obey God's law if we love Christ.
You are the ones who say
Paul wanted us to discredit what God said when he spoke against the law of Moses.
It is God, not Paul, who in fulfilling his promise of Ps 110:4 to make Jesus a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek,

1) changed the priesthood from the order of Aaron to the order of Melchizedek (Heb 7:11),

2) and in so doing changed the law which was based on the Aaronic priesthood for its administration (Heb 7:11-12),

3) setting it aside because, due to our unregenerate spirits, it was weak and useless to make us righteous (Heb 7:18-19),

4) and, thereby, making obsolete the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant which was based on the law (Heb 8:13),

5) replacing it with the New Covenant in the blood of Christ (Lk 22:20),

6) and replacing the Mosaic law with the law of Christ (1Co 9:20-21; Gal 6:2),
which is the law of love (Mt 22:37-39; Gal 5:6; Jas 2:8; Ro 13:8-9),

7) which law of love fulfills (accomplishes) the whole law (Ro 13:10).

Don't blame it on Paul, it was God who did it to fulfill his promise of Ps 110:4.
 
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He is saying he does not believe all of the NT, and that is not Christianity.
LOL, where does the official rule of what it takes to call oneself a christian exist? That is most amazing. I say that not all of the NT is from the mouth of God, you claim it is but do not follow it. Who is a Christian?