i heard suicide takes u to hell...is this biblical?
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First of all, for anyone contemplating suicide, reach out for help; walking in the Gospel of Grace will bear Fruit of His Spirit in your life. Don't give up!
To the OP's question:
How many sins were forgiven at the Cross?
All of them.
Who took God's judgement for those sins?
Christ did.
If a saved person takes their own life - for whatever reason - whether they're deceived, depressed, in pain, mad at the world . . .
IF they believed on Christ, the judgement/punishment for their sin was already paid for by Christ. The only sin not paid for is the sin of unbelief.
This is a basic fundamental Truth of the Gospel.
God is a just God; He will not punish sin already dealt with. Jesus dealt with all sin at the Cross.
That includes suicide.
God's Grace is bigger than our sins.
Grace and peace,
-JGIG
To the OP's question:
How many sins were forgiven at the Cross?
All of them.
Who took God's judgement for those sins?
Christ did.
If a saved person takes their own life - for whatever reason - whether they're deceived, depressed, in pain, mad at the world . . .
IF they believed on Christ, the judgement/punishment for their sin was already paid for by Christ. The only sin not paid for is the sin of unbelief.
This is a basic fundamental Truth of the Gospel.
God is a just God; He will not punish sin already dealt with. Jesus dealt with all sin at the Cross.
That includes suicide.
God's Grace is bigger than our sins.
Grace and peace,
-JGIG
There are no verses in the Bible that deal directly with suicide. My thought is that either no one did it in Biblical times, or God did not address it, because he loves us, and expects us to live and grow and serve him.
Suicide is a permanent solution to a very temporary problem. I also believe that we are tempted to do this, because if we are dead, we are of no use to God in spreading the gospel.
If you are suicidal you do need to get help. Phone a crisis line. But instead of holding off suicide because you are afraid of hell, why not hold off suicide so you can learn to live?
If you do find yourself continually depressed and looking for a way out, there is no shame in seeking psychiatric help, especially if there is a physical underpinning for your depression.
God loves you, and he wants you to live. Think about what you can do for God in this life, and you will have a purpose for living. Stop focusing on yourself, and focus on the Creator who gave you life.
Suicide is a permanent solution to a very temporary problem. I also believe that we are tempted to do this, because if we are dead, we are of no use to God in spreading the gospel.
If you are suicidal you do need to get help. Phone a crisis line. But instead of holding off suicide because you are afraid of hell, why not hold off suicide so you can learn to live?
If you do find yourself continually depressed and looking for a way out, there is no shame in seeking psychiatric help, especially if there is a physical underpinning for your depression.
God loves you, and he wants you to live. Think about what you can do for God in this life, and you will have a purpose for living. Stop focusing on yourself, and focus on the Creator who gave you life.
C
First of all, for anyone contemplating suicide, reach out for help; walking in the Gospel of Grace will bear Fruit of His Spirit in your life. Don't give up!
To the OP's question:
How many sins were forgiven at the Cross?
All of them.
Who took God's judgement for those sins?
Christ did.
If a saved person takes their own life - for whatever reason - whether they're deceived, depressed, in pain, mad at the world . . .
IF they believed on Christ, the judgement/punishment for their sin was already paid for by Christ. The only sin not paid for is the sin of unbelief.
This is a basic fundamental Truth of the Gospel.
God is a just God; He will not punish sin already dealt with. Jesus dealt with all sin at the Cross.
That includes suicide.
God's Grace is bigger than our sins.
Grace and peace,
-JGIG
To the OP's question:
How many sins were forgiven at the Cross?
All of them.
Who took God's judgement for those sins?
Christ did.
If a saved person takes their own life - for whatever reason - whether they're deceived, depressed, in pain, mad at the world . . .
IF they believed on Christ, the judgement/punishment for their sin was already paid for by Christ. The only sin not paid for is the sin of unbelief.
This is a basic fundamental Truth of the Gospel.
God is a just God; He will not punish sin already dealt with. Jesus dealt with all sin at the Cross.
That includes suicide.
God's Grace is bigger than our sins.
Grace and peace,
-JGIG
So, should I go ahead and commit murder, seeing that Jesus already paid for my sins?
Should I go ahead and sell my soul to Satan, Jesus will forgive me?
Really, think about what you just said: go ahead and commit suicide, everything will be okay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A true beliver in Christ Jesus would never do such a thing.
2 timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
If one kill himself where is the faith, where is the spirit He has given to us of a sound mind ???
Moses & elijah and many of the prophets had hard time ,but one thing the scripture teaches us those He call for his work God always was there with them. Reminding them
God Bless
2 timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
If one kill himself where is the faith, where is the spirit He has given to us of a sound mind ???
Moses & elijah and many of the prophets had hard time ,but one thing the scripture teaches us those He call for his work God always was there with them. Reminding them
God Bless
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Much of this teaching sources from the roman catholic church doctrine. Of course scripture does not teach that one should commit suicide but if one is truly born again one will not go to hell if they commit suicide. It is no different than lying or looking on a woman to lust after her.
The earthly consequences for suicide are immediately evident and irreversible. No one should consider suicide as a viable option in this life. No one no matter how noble the intended reason.
If a saved person commits suicide they are still saved and will not come into condemnation. They will suffer shame and loss before the Lord when they give account to Him for what they have done since saved but will not be condemned to eternity apart from Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The earthly consequences for suicide are immediately evident and irreversible. No one should consider suicide as a viable option in this life. No one no matter how noble the intended reason.
If a saved person commits suicide they are still saved and will not come into condemnation. They will suffer shame and loss before the Lord when they give account to Him for what they have done since saved but will not be condemned to eternity apart from Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The thing is that we must understand God's grace and, in so doing, must realize that His grace is 1. far beyond our ability to comprehend, 2. is not to be used as a license to sin and 3. extends to His children who die in sin.
Now, by His children, I obviously mean those born again and living for Christ. If I tell a lie and then die instantly in a car crash, will I go to Hell or will God's mercy extend to cover that sin of lying? How limited do you believe His grace to be?
That being said, there is no reason to commit suicide. It is tragic and horrible and destructive and extremely selfish. This is the truth, however hard it is to hear it. Yet, if a Christian is pushed to their limits, see no way out, are beaten down by despair, are constantly ignored and/or attacked by those that are supposed to help them walk their Christian walk, and they, in a moment of complete loss, cry out to God and then take their own life, do we believe God would cast them away?
The danger is, of course, someone thinking that they can then end their life and go to Heaven. I am not God. I cannot say if those who kill themselves while they are covered in the blood of Christ will go to Heaven or not and since the Bible does not address this, neither can anyone else. This is the 'judgment' part of Scripture. We are not called to determine the final place of people, beit those alive or those who are gone.
So, if one thinks, "Well, I am a Christian and I just have to tell God I'm sorry while I'm dying and I'll go to Heaven," then the motives of their heart aren't pure. They are logically thinking it out and trying to kill without consequences. We must remember that God looks upon the heart.
So in that moment, when someone has made that fatal choice, someone who was truly saved, God looks at their heart in the moment and I believe that His grace is sufficient. I believe that there are some cases when suicides are forgiven and go to Heaven. But, I would not say this with absolute surety, as I am not God, as I've said, and I cannot say where someone will go when they die, even if they lived a horrendous and sinful life here. I do not know if they repented before they died, even mere moments before, and so I am not a liberty at all to say with surety where people have ended up.
This is a dangerous pitfall for believers. Some tell others that they know someone is in Heaven, and this is mostly to soothe the wounds of the person they are speaking to. Some tell others that suicides go to Hell, no matter what. But, can we honestly say? No, we cannot.
Now, by His children, I obviously mean those born again and living for Christ. If I tell a lie and then die instantly in a car crash, will I go to Hell or will God's mercy extend to cover that sin of lying? How limited do you believe His grace to be?
That being said, there is no reason to commit suicide. It is tragic and horrible and destructive and extremely selfish. This is the truth, however hard it is to hear it. Yet, if a Christian is pushed to their limits, see no way out, are beaten down by despair, are constantly ignored and/or attacked by those that are supposed to help them walk their Christian walk, and they, in a moment of complete loss, cry out to God and then take their own life, do we believe God would cast them away?
The danger is, of course, someone thinking that they can then end their life and go to Heaven. I am not God. I cannot say if those who kill themselves while they are covered in the blood of Christ will go to Heaven or not and since the Bible does not address this, neither can anyone else. This is the 'judgment' part of Scripture. We are not called to determine the final place of people, beit those alive or those who are gone.
So, if one thinks, "Well, I am a Christian and I just have to tell God I'm sorry while I'm dying and I'll go to Heaven," then the motives of their heart aren't pure. They are logically thinking it out and trying to kill without consequences. We must remember that God looks upon the heart.
So in that moment, when someone has made that fatal choice, someone who was truly saved, God looks at their heart in the moment and I believe that His grace is sufficient. I believe that there are some cases when suicides are forgiven and go to Heaven. But, I would not say this with absolute surety, as I am not God, as I've said, and I cannot say where someone will go when they die, even if they lived a horrendous and sinful life here. I do not know if they repented before they died, even mere moments before, and so I am not a liberty at all to say with surety where people have ended up.
This is a dangerous pitfall for believers. Some tell others that they know someone is in Heaven, and this is mostly to soothe the wounds of the person they are speaking to. Some tell others that suicides go to Hell, no matter what. But, can we honestly say? No, we cannot.
Paul was asked the same question:
His answer?
Then Paul goes on to encourage us to live as those in Christ - building the Body up, not just throwing commandments at Her, for the Law stirs up sin, while Grace enables us to say no to ungodliness.
Unfortunately the Church is much more enamored of that which stirs up sin =o/.
Are those things that you, presumably one who is in Christ, want to do?
Is it fear of judgement (part of the Law) that restrains you or the Fruit of the Spirit that restrains you (Love)?
Are you governed by fear or by love?
Do you think that breeding fear in the suicidal heart puts a desire in their heart to live?
No, that is not what I said. what I said was this:
First of all, for anyone contemplating suicide, reach out for help; walking in the Gospel of Grace will bear Fruit of His Spirit in your life. Don't give up!
To the OP's question:
How many sins were forgiven at the Cross?
All of them.
Who took God's judgement for those sins?
Christ did.
If a saved person takes their own life - for whatever reason - whether they're deceived, depressed, in pain, mad at the world . . .
IF they believed on Christ, the judgement/punishment for their sin was already paid for by Christ. The only sin not paid for is the sin of unbelief.
This is a basic fundamental Truth of the Gospel.
God is a just God; He will not punish sin already dealt with. Jesus dealt with all sin at the Cross.
That includes suicide.
God's Grace is bigger than our sins.
Grace and peace,
-JGIG
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?
His answer?
Certainly not! (from Rom. 6)
Then Paul goes on to encourage us to live as those in Christ - building the Body up, not just throwing commandments at Her, for the Law stirs up sin, while Grace enables us to say no to ungodliness.
Unfortunately the Church is much more enamored of that which stirs up sin =o/.
Are those things that you, presumably one who is in Christ, want to do?
Is it fear of judgement (part of the Law) that restrains you or the Fruit of the Spirit that restrains you (Love)?
Are you governed by fear or by love?
Do you think that breeding fear in the suicidal heart puts a desire in their heart to live?
No, that is not what I said. what I said was this:
First of all, for anyone contemplating suicide, reach out for help; walking in the Gospel of Grace will bear Fruit of His Spirit in your life. Don't give up!
To the OP's question:
How many sins were forgiven at the Cross?
All of them.
Who took God's judgement for those sins?
Christ did.
If a saved person takes their own life - for whatever reason - whether they're deceived, depressed, in pain, mad at the world . . .
IF they believed on Christ, the judgement/punishment for their sin was already paid for by Christ. The only sin not paid for is the sin of unbelief.
This is a basic fundamental Truth of the Gospel.
God is a just God; He will not punish sin already dealt with. Jesus dealt with all sin at the Cross.
That includes suicide.
God's Grace is bigger than our sins.
Grace and peace,
-JGIG
Just like Christians don't die because they're sick? Get cancer? Die in accidents?
Folks with chemical imbalances need not apply for salvation, then?
Christ's work only applies to those of sound mind?
Oh wait, that sound mind bit is a promise for the believer.
What if that believer is more influenced by Law-wielding 'teachers' than bearers of Grace and Truth?
Have you ever known someone who has struggled with depression or bi-polar or other chemical imbalances?
Or maybe you know someone who committed suicide and you're really mad at them.
It's okay to be mad; it's not okay to condemn believers to hell.
To do so is to say that what Jesus did didn't go far enough.
And that is error.
-JGIG
There are no verses on suicide, just as there are no verses on gay marriage or abortion.
Modern Christians pick and choose what they condemn based on personal prejudices and sadly... what political party they belong to.
So what I'm saying is, it's up to you to determine what you condemn, because you are not Catholic. If you are Catholic then you follow that Church's teachings that are in addition to what is written in the bible, that the Catholics assembled back in the day.
Modern Christians pick and choose what they condemn based on personal prejudices and sadly... what political party they belong to.
So what I'm saying is, it's up to you to determine what you condemn, because you are not Catholic. If you are Catholic then you follow that Church's teachings that are in addition to what is written in the bible, that the Catholics assembled back in the day.
D
You will get loads of opinions on this. Here is mine:
I believe (notice how I said believe and not "know") that suicide is a sin and most if not all will go to hell for suicide. The die in a state of rejecting the hope of Christ. They die thinking they can solve their own problems.How can a person repent for a sin they are in the process of committing?
Look at examples in scripture of suicide and you will not see it done by a saint. Not one could be called righteous.
I believe (notice how I said believe and not "know") that suicide is a sin and most if not all will go to hell for suicide. The die in a state of rejecting the hope of Christ. They die thinking they can solve their own problems.How can a person repent for a sin they are in the process of committing?
Look at examples in scripture of suicide and you will not see it done by a saint. Not one could be called righteous.
N
Its wrong, but its not going to send you to hell. You would be in trouble, so i would not do that, and people that did that, threw away blessings and works they would have had here to take back with them. Everything in its natural order and time.
but hell dose not come into place, until after the lords day.
but hell dose not come into place, until after the lords day.
First of all, for anyone contemplating suicide, reach out for help; walking in the Gospel of Grace will bear Fruit of His Spirit in your life. Don't give up!
To the OP's question:
How many sins were forgiven at the Cross?
All of them.
Who took God's judgement for those sins?
Christ did.
If a saved person takes their own life - for whatever reason - whether they're deceived, depressed, in pain, mad at the world . . .
IF they believed on Christ, the judgement/punishment for their sin was already paid for by Christ. The only sin not paid for is the sin of unbelief.
This is a basic fundamental Truth of the Gospel.
God is a just God; He will not punish sin already dealt with. Jesus dealt with all sin at the Cross.
That includes suicide.
God's Grace is bigger than our sins.
Grace and peace,
-JGIG
To the OP's question:
How many sins were forgiven at the Cross?
All of them.
Who took God's judgement for those sins?
Christ did.
If a saved person takes their own life - for whatever reason - whether they're deceived, depressed, in pain, mad at the world . . .
IF they believed on Christ, the judgement/punishment for their sin was already paid for by Christ. The only sin not paid for is the sin of unbelief.
This is a basic fundamental Truth of the Gospel.
God is a just God; He will not punish sin already dealt with. Jesus dealt with all sin at the Cross.
That includes suicide.
God's Grace is bigger than our sins.
Grace and peace,
-JGIG
lol heartseeker i had the same thing like you, before i knew christ i wanted to suicide so bad, but then the thought was in my head " i'm a christian i know better " if it wasn't for that i would've probably done it, man the burden of sin can be so overbearing and overwhelming.... even now it still is, but not as it was in the flesh fully in Sin, i need to get rid of this corruptibe thing we call flesh and put on the incorruptible body God has for us..