i heard suicide takes u to hell...is this biblical?

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Josh321

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i agree i find this flesh annoying it lusts and wants things i dont want if that makes sense
that's just it brother... it's soo frustrating, and it eats me up if i do slip up because.. i realize i'm doing something wrong and can't stop it, but brother.. it's not only us.. our beloved brother paul suffered the same thing, his flesh will commit Sin and he couldn't help it and i'm sure he cried out like how many cried out,


15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
 
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ww_21

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My thoughts on this are a bit controversial among the Christian community however here goes. Suicide comes from a place of deep, dark emotional pain. It comes from helplessness and hopelessness. I am not endorsing it or saying it should be an option because it's NOT. What I am saying is, they say our God is out of love and mercy, so wouldn't he forgive us or at least understand how broken we were feeling at that point and wouldn't he understand exactly why we wanted to go home to him? Again, not promoting it in any way. Just giving my opinion.
 
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Kerry

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Sometimes it happens and has happened, that when we come to know the Lord and we see how righteous and loving His way and standard is. Then we try with our own ability to hold that same standard and find out that we fail time and time again. Mainly because we place our faith in what we do and what Christ did. There have been many people give up and some by taking their own life. There is repentance for murder, but if you murder yourself how can you repent? At the same time a person that has lost function or to say has come to a place that they are not responsible for their actions and takes their life I have to question that. Because of some mental illness yet the devil is constantly trying to kill us. So it depends on the situation and there is no canned answer.
 

ChosenbyHim

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so i was taught as a child that if u commit suicide its an automatic ticket to hell. but is this found anywhere in the bible? i mean there was a time in my life when i wanted to die but the risk of suicide is too high so i didnt do it

If a Christian commits suicide, he will still go to Heaven, because he cannot lose his salvation. But he will have a very rough time at the Judgment Seat of Christ. For he will have to give an account of himself before the Lord. And that Christian will answer for taking his own life.

Suicide is a very selfish act. And if a Christian does commit suicide, then that Christian will become a stumbling block to the lost world. And that is not a light thing. It is very serious.

Now on the contrary, if a lost person commits suicide, then obviously, they go to Hell. All a lost person is doing by committing suicide is basically cutting their own life short.
 
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vic1980

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and honestly i don't believe a born again believer can commit suicide, for the knowledge that this body is not ours but is christ is within us, when suffering comes to me and it's overbearing the most i can do is cry and wheep to God to either take me home or get me through it
exactly Joh321 just as the prophet and apostles. amen

God Bless
 
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cfultz3

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dude calm down please your scaring ppl
Dude, that is what she said. Perhaps, you should be telling people that murdering one's self is wrong instead of correcting those who pointed out that such a thing is wrong? Perhaps?
 
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cfultz3

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If a Christian commits suicide, he will still go to Heaven, because he cannot lose his salvation. But he will have a very rough time at the Judgment Seat of Christ. For he will have to give an account of himself before the Lord. And that Christian will answer for taking his own life.

Suicide is a very selfish act. And if a Christian does commit suicide, then that Christian will become a stumbling block to the lost world. And that is not a light thing. It is very serious.

Now on the contrary, if a lost person commits suicide, then obviously, they go to Hell. All a lost person is doing by committing suicide is basically cutting their own life short.
So, if a Christian cannot lose salvation, although there are many exhortations from walking away or being lead astray in Scripture, then even suicide is okay? When has murdering someone, even one's self, become approved in the Christian walk? If we can kill, why not steal, lie, lust, etc...?
 
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cfultz3

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dude calm down please your scaring ppl
I pointed out that murdering someone, even one's self, is wrong and then you tell me that I am scaring people...well, Heartsearcher, I truly hope I scared someone.
 

JGIG

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So, if a Christian cannot lose salvation, although there are many exhortations from walking away or being lead astray in Scripture, then even suicide is okay? When has murdering someone, even one's self, become approved in the Christian walk? If we can kill, why not steal, lie, lust, etc...?

Are those things you desire to do as a New Creation in Christ?

I certainly don't.

And most suicidal folks don't really want to die either - they just see no other way out. Whether or not that's true or false does not occur to the suicidal mind - rationality really isn't in play at that point.


I pointed out that murdering someone, even one's self, is wrong and then you tell me that I am scaring people...well, Heartsearcher, I truly hope I scared someone.
Because fear is what suicidal folks respond to, right? sheesh.

-JGIG
 

G4JC

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Short answer: Self-murder. Don't do it.

Long answer, I'll quote an excellent testimonial I read awhile ago online from a saved police officer who dealt with this issue on a daily basis...
Behind the Badge said:
...If you are contemplating suicide you probably think I don't understand. Okay let's look at that. While I was a Police Officer the law enforcement profession had the highest suicide rate of any profession. It was the second highest profession as far as alcoholism. Police Officers are under stress every day. You may not like them, you may not think that they have a hard job, but think about this. If they think someone has a gun and is about to try to hurt them, they have mere seconds to make a decision on what to do. Do they take this person's life or risk being killed themselves? If they decide to take the life and then find out that the person did not have a weapon, they will be judged by people who have never been in that situation and who have all the facts and plenty of time to make their decision. If they don't take the person's life and that person does have a weapon and the will to use it, they may very well be the next name listed on my Police Memorial page.


The other thing that adversely affects Police Officers is the amount of death and pain they see on a daily basis. Day in and day out it seemed that I dealt with death. In order to keep my sanity I had to have a defense mechanism. Like most Police Officers I put up a wall and became cold and detached from the death and pain. That helped me not have too many nightmares although I did have some, but it changed me on the inside. The pain was there, I just refused to admit it.


I could look at death and then go eat my supper. I could stand around a horrible death scene waiting on the coroner and talk to other officers about the weather or what we were going to do in the morning, or tell jokes. Slowly something started to happen to me, I began to feel so cold and so old that life was no longer a pleasure. I would look at the dead bodies and feel like at least they were out of the pain of this world, they were at peace.


That was a LIE! They were not at peace, they were just in a different hell, one that I almost got sucked into. I believe that is what happens to most Police Officers who commit suicide, they begin to think that the pain will go away if they kill themselves. I was in a lot of pain, my marriage was all but over, I had no friends other than other Police Officers, I did not feel well physically or mentally, death sounded good. It sounded like a way to escape.


So let's now look at suicide itself. It is the killing of yourself. If you are going to kill yourself then you better first think about what happens after you are dead. Maybe you want to hurt someone you think doesn't care about you. Well if they don't care now, why are they going to care if you kill yourself? Maybe you want to have everyone feel sorry for you. Okay that might work, but you won't be around to know about it, and sooner or later they will get over your death anyway. Maybe you have screwed up so badly that you think this is the only way out. -WRONG! For one there is nothing that can't be faced and taken care of if you are willing to face it. Second if you kill yourself, then what?

What happens after you die? Do you believe that you just become part of the universe? If so then you truly have no hope. Or is there an after life? If so what does that mean?


The Bible says: (Hebrews 9:27) Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment... Once you are dead the only thing left is to wait to answer to God for the life you led while alive. If you kill yourself because you got pregnant and could not face it, or because you had an abortion, or because people found out you are a homosexual, or because you lost your family due to an sexual immorality, or you were caught with drugs, or you are an alcoholic who can't stop, or a drug abuser, no matter what the problem, you will face judgment for it.

Think of it this way. Once you die those sins and problems are permanently attached to you, you can't get rid of them, all you can do is wait until God judges you for them. However, while you are still alive you can get rid of them. You can take them off yourself and place them at the feet of Jesus Christ. He has already died for them. He already paid the penalty for you. He has already faced judgment for your sins. All you have to do is ask Him to forgive you and take away your sins.


Laying your sins and burdens at Jesus' feet won't take away all the consequences of your sins. If you are pregnant you will still be pregnant and have to deal with that problem. Whatever your problem is you will still have to deal with it. The good news is you won't have to deal with it on your own any longer. God will help you, He will give you strength. He will never leave you alone again. You will also be able to find other Christians who will help you carry your burden.


Many people look at Christians and feel that there is no way 'those' people can understand what I am going through. Again this is a lie. Christian churches are full of people who have laid sins at the feet of Jesus. Most churches are full of "forgiven" adulterers, alcoholics, drug addicts, abusers, homosexuals, thieves, liars, people who have had abortions, people who thought about or even attempted suicide, people who thought their lives were worthless, people who at one time thought they were too bad of a sinner for God to love and forgive.


(John 3:16) "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Eternal life, that is what it is all about. If you believe that God sent his Son to die for your sins and then you ask Him to come into your heart and take control, He will and He will give you eternal life. You will be surprised how much your life changes. Your problems won't seem so large anymore or so hard to face.


The choice is yours. Eternal life through Jesus Christ and face the problems of this life with His help, or eternal separation from God in Hell because you won't face the problems of this life and would rather hurry your journey to judgment. No I don't candy coat it, because I care and I don't want to see anyone make this horrible, unchangeable, final choice to rush into eternal punishment.


I am often asked what happens if a Christian commits suicide? I personally don't believe in 'Once Saved Always Saved,' I believe that no one can snatch you away from God nor can you lose your salvation, but I also believe that you don't lose your free will upon accepting Christ as your Savior. So if you choose to turn away from God after your salvation I believe that is possible. So back to the question of what happens if a Christian kills them self; take a look at this verse and decide for yourself. Remember that Paul is speaking to Christians! (1 Corinthians 6:19-20) [19] Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; [20] you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
 
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cfultz3

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Because fear is what suicidal folks respond to, right? sheesh.

-JGIG
They certainly would respond to a lie saying that one would be forgiven for self-murdering, right? If someone tells me that killing myself is alright as long as I call upon the Lord before I do it, then would you not think you are pushing suicide, when all in all, it says that NO murderer has everlasting life. Did you see that ----NO MURDERER has everlasting life....and you want to approve of suicide as though one would still obtain everlasting life?

If pointing out the error of your approval of suicide would make someone think twice, then I have done my duty.
 

JGIG

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They certainly would respond to a lie saying that one would be forgiven for self-murdering, right? If someone tells me that killing myself is alright as long as I call upon the Lord before I do it, then would you not think you are pushing suicide, when all in all, it says that NO murderer has everlasting life. Did you see that ----NO MURDERER has everlasting life....and you want to approve of suicide as though one would still obtain everlasting life?

If pointing out the error of your approval of suicide would make someone think twice, then I have done my duty.
You've totally misrepresented my position here. I in NO WAY approve of suicide.

In your theology, how do liars fare?

-JGIG
 
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so i was taught as a child that if u commit suicide its an automatic ticket to hell. but is this found anywhere in the bible? i mean there was a time in my life when i wanted to die but the risk of suicide is too high so i didnt do it
Short answer; no.

Suicide happens in the bible and there are 7 counts of it in the canon to my knowledge, none of which advocate it as a sin. It should be noted though, that it wouldn't exactly be beneficial to furthering a compassionate cause.

People use the first commandment 'thou shalt not kill', to advocate that suicide is a murder. Personally I think the first commandment applies to killing other people.

For me, suicide is too much pain and not enough ability to cope. I've sympathy and empathy for people in that position, and if i can muster it, then how much more can God?

That said, time can be a great healer and suicide gives no option for healing in this world.
 
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cfultz3

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I in NO WAY approve of suicide.

-JGIG
My fault, though you said that even suicide is covered.

How many sins were forgiven at the Cross? All of them.

Who took God's judgement for those sins? Christ did.

If a saved person takes their own life - for whatever reason - whether they're deceived, depressed, in pain, mad at the world . . .

IF they believed on Christ, the judgement/punishment for their sin was already paid for by Christ. The only sin not paid for is the sin of unbelief.

This is a basic fundamental Truth of the Gospel.

God is a just God; He will not punish sin already dealt with. Jesus dealt with all sin at the Cross.

That includes suicide.

God's Grace is bigger than our sins.

Grace and peace,
-JGIG

So, in conclusion, you are saying that if I commit suicide, I am covered and forgiven.

If what you say is true, that all sins are ALREADY paid for, then are we free to live as we please once we believe? No! Why not? Because we have to walk pleasingly before God in love.

Is murdering an act of love? No!
 
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cfultz3

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In your theology, how do liars fare?

-JGIG
Can one live contrary to the leading of the Spirit? How then can one who lives to the flesh also live to the Spirit?
 
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My fault, though you said that even suicide is covered.


So, in conclusion, you are saying that if I commit suicide, I am covered and forgiven.

If what you say is true, that all sins are ALREADY paid for, then are we free to live as we please once we believe? No! Why not? Because we have to walk pleasingly before God in love.

Is murdering an act of love? No!
If your mother has cancer, in pain constantly, having no rest, no respite, no end to her suffering, and your country allows euthanasia, wouldn't it be more compassionate, knowing that she only has suffering and then death to look forward to, to help her on her way home?

My view is that a suicidal person is in a similar situation with emotional pain - blinded by it. I do recognize that the suicidal person may not be in immediate position of being about to have a natural death, but emotionally, they are in such a pain that drives them to want to end their own life.

The only cure for that is a compassionate soul. A hell-speech would only serve to add to their burden. Thus, by positing your particular interpretation on the matter, you'd cause them more suffering - a non-compassionate course of action, given the situation.

What they need is a friend.
 
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ChosenbyHim

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So, if a Christian cannot lose salvation, although there are many exhortations from walking away or being lead astray in Scripture, then even suicide is okay? When has murdering someone, even one's self, become approved in the Christian walk? If we can kill, why not steal, lie, lust, etc...?

Suicide is not okay. Suicide, like other sins, is a very selfish sinful act to commit.

But you also need to understand that no Christian can lose their salvation because they are a part of the Body of Christ.
 
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cfultz3

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If your mother has cancer, in pain constantly, having no rest, no respite, no end to her suffering, and your country allows euthanasia, wouldn't it be more compassionate, knowing that she only has suffering and then death to look forward to, to help her on her way home?

My view is that a suicidal person is in a similar situation with emotional pain - blinded by it. I do recognize that the suicidal person may not be in immediate position of being about to have a natural death, but emotionally, they are in such a pain that drives them to want to end their own life.

The only cure for that is a compassionate soul. A hell-speech would only serve to add to their burden.
Would you murder that suicidal person if they came to you and ask that you end their misery? I would assume you would say no. Likewise, how is it any different if that person did it him/herself? It would still be murdering.

I agree that a hell-speech would only server to add to their burden. But also, we cannot mislead and say that killing yourself is covered, when it says that no murderer has everlasting life. And I would assume that that includes the one who murdered themselves.

As for euthanasia, although it has an emotional impact for both the writer and reader, let's be logical and consider that the taking of a life is still "a taking of a life", inasmuch as abortion is still "a taking of a life". Thus, we are still faced with the knowledge that God said, "DO not murder (kill, slay)". We cannot allow emotional feelings to brush aside what God has said when we say that killing the terminally sick and the unborn is ethical, when we know that killing is immoral, whether that is done towards another or one's self.
 

JGIG

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You've totally misrepresented my position here. I in NO WAY approve of suicide.

In your theology, how do liars fare?

-JGIG
Can one live contrary to the leading of the Spirit? How then can one who lives to the flesh also live to the Spirit?
You didn't answer the question.

In your theology, how do liars fare?

Or how about slanderers, or those who sow seeds of division, strife . . .

Read Galatians 5. Either all your sins have been forgiven and are not being counted against you or they haven't. (1 Jn 2:2, 2 Cor 5:18-19)

There is no caveat in the forgiveness of God.

-JGIG
 
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... If a saved person commits suicide they are still saved and will not come into condemnation.
A person cannot be saved and commit suicide at the same time. You are either under Satan domination or liberated from Sin. Cannot be free and slave person at the same time.