Some question for you to explain to me

luis109g · Feb 21, 2014

Hey, I got some questions, I was reading Luke 16 and 15. I saw that Jesus is talking parables in theae two chapter, but when it gets to the story of Lazarus and the rich man. Is he still talking in parables or is he talking literal?
Luke 16: 19-31

Also, I was reading the resurrection of christ in all 4 books and I saw that the four books dont agree with each other
Matthew 28:1-10
Mark 16:1-8
Luke 24:1-12
John 10:1-10

I read this carefully and i see that there was different number of women coming to the burial place. Different number of angels, different places that the angel were, and also different times. Sunrise and the Sunset
Why are these verses different

faroukfarouk · Feb 21, 2014

The Gospels emphasize different aspects, about the same events and are in harmony with each other. The Divine Author probably wanted to underline various aspects according to context.

konroh · Feb 21, 2014

My wife and I actually discussed the resurrection accounts on our honeymoon and studied books to make them reconcile. If you do read them carefully you'll see that they aren't in disagreement with each other. They are like 4 eyewitness accounts that record details differently but are all in agreement. Yes, there was more than one angel, more than one woman coming, it's actually fascinating how the details work out. Get a study Bible or a Harmony of the Gospels.

As to the parable of Lazarus, it is a story Jesus told that had the truth of reality behind it, just like any other parable. There was always truth illustrated. Actually you'll notice that the story of Lazarus is not labeled as a parable, it follows right after factual statements of Jesus concerning marriage. We probably shouldn't call it a parable, we should probably just call it radical truth.

pjr · Feb 21, 2014

The fact that Jesus uses a specific name (Lazarus) , and that in his description of the event he is precise and graphic tends to lead us to believe it was an actual occurrence. It is indeed a solemn warning to those who have not received his gift of eternal life. Hell is a very real, horrific place where one is in eternal, conscious torment forever.

Regarding the four Gospel accounts of the resurrection, here is how they are all reconciled:
A cursory reading of the resurrection in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John reveals a few differences in the recorded facts. While these supposed discrepancies sometimes alarm modern readers, they tend not to concern historians because any differences are merely relegated to secondary details.
In each Gospel account the core story is the same: Joseph of Arimathea takes the body of Jesus and puts it in a tomb, one or more of Jesus’ female followers visit the tomb early on the Sunday morning following his crucifixion, and they find that the tomb is empty. They see a vision of either one or two angels who say that Jesus is risen. Despite the differences concerning the women’s number and names, the exact time of the morning and the number of angels, we can have great confidence in the shared core story that would be agreed upon by the majority of New Testament scholars today....
The differences between the empty tomb narratives are indicative of multiple, independent affirmations of the story. Sometimes people say, “Matthew and Luke just plagiarized from Mark,” but when one examines the narratives closely, the divergences suggest that even if Matthew and Luke did know Mark’s account, they also had separate, independent sources....
While that may be enough to satisfy historians, also consider that many of the alleged contradictions in the Gospel accounts are rather easily reconciled. For example, the accounts vary in the reported time of the visit to the tomb. One writer describes it as “still dark” (John 20:1), another says it was “very early in the morning” (Luke 24:1), and another says it was “just after sunrise” (Mark 16:2). But if the visit was “at dawn,” (Matthew 28:1), they were likely describing the same thing with different words.
As for the number and names of the women, none of the Gospels pretends to give a complete list. They all include Mary Magdalene, and Matthew, Mark, and Luke also cite other women, so there was probably a group of these early disciples that included those who were named and probably a couple of others. Perhaps when the women came, Mary Magdalene arrived first and that’s why only John mentions her. That’s hardly a contradiction. In terms of whether there were/was one angel (Matthew) or two (John) at Jesus’ tomb, have you ever noticed that whenever you have two of anything, you also have one? It never fails. Matthew didn’t say there was only one. John was providing more detail by saying there were two.

luis109g · Feb 21, 2014

There can be something record differently and be the same. Seen 2 doesnt make it 1.
And the lazarus story looks more like a parable than reality

nathan3 · Feb 21, 2014

It's probably a good thing that they are not perfectly the same. If they where, then one could say, if there were multiple witnesses, then how can they be credible if they are all exactly the same; meaning they conspired together . The fact they they are different, shows we have many different witnesses to the same account .

While the writers may not have been overly concerned that we have an exhaustive account, of every single minute detail . I'm sure If you study into it, you'll see many good reasons why, there are those subtle differences . That takes study.

homwardbound · Feb 21, 2014

luis109g said:

Each person that sees an even taking place has a different view, not completely out of place, yet what they remembered they wrote
In a police investigation of witnesses, if they all told the same exact story, that brings in suspicion as if what to say was rehearsed to say, and since the Gospels are written as they are proves that what is written is truth from what each person that wrote saw.
Also in each Gospel Matt, Mark, Luke and John. Notice only two are Apostles. Matthew and John
Mark and Luke were Scribes for the Apostles, And Luke was also a Doctor for Saul,who became Paul
And Luke wrote Acts as well as Luke
Hope this helps in your study for truth

luis109g · Feb 21, 2014

Then which of the account is the truth. How many angels?
How many women?
What is peter doing there?
Where were the angels?

And they are not witness because if they were witness that mean they were there watching..

Soo many question

homwardbound · Feb 21, 2014

luis109g said:

They all do agree that he is risen though right? and some did not like Thomas until he saw and touched Christ who walked through walls, God can do anything, and we all see from a different angle. good you noticed these, and God teach you the truth in them as God will and there are no inconsistencies in the word, only when viewed from a flesh aspect is there, when in Spirit there is not?

nathan3 · Feb 21, 2014

luis109g said:

They are all true accounts. The important thing to note, is that there was a resurrection, and the teachings of Christ are there. That is whats important. If you get hung up on details like how many angels are standing around , and other small details that can't teach you anything important. Then you just might begin to miss the importance of the things Christ and the disciples taught about .

luis109g · Feb 21, 2014

Im not a Christian, i used to be and like you i used to believe everything. But when i started thinking by myself and read carefully. I started to see clear. I couldnt see this before and now i can. Why? Because now im using my mind to think for myself.
And when i read this over and over. Who ever told this story to this writter he told them different story. Which is weird

luis109g · Feb 21, 2014

Is good to notice small details because when you have to put all your trust in something you got to know everything about it. And if there is something that is wrong or not in harmony. That means is not right

posthuman · Feb 21, 2014

luis109g said:

was your faith so small that you didn't bother looking up any apologetics before turning your back on God?
like this link, maybe you should read -- Harmonizing The Resurrection of Jesus
there are 1000's of essays like this one all over the web. because you are not the first person to notice some differences in the accounts! so have a look.

posthuman · Feb 21, 2014

luis109g said:

if reading carefully makes you forsake the grace you said you accepted, then yeah, there is something not right.
you would think that Christianity wouldn't have covered the whole earth with believers for the last 2,000 years, if any thinking man could clearly see holes all over the gospel.

but 3 seconds at a search engine and i find thousands of pages like this one:
How do you counter claims that the different gospel accounts of the resurrection are “hopelessly contradictory”? | Evidence for Christianity

rejoice! our God provides, and He is faithful and true.

nathan3 · Feb 21, 2014

Thinking is a dangerous thing for some people. If you don't know how to do it :/

It takes, years, and years, to study the Bible. It's a life long effort. Your not going to be able to learn it all, without some really effort, over a long period of time. With prayer and study with understanding. Its just kinda sad to think, what people throw away on a whim.

luis109g · Feb 22, 2014

One problem, in this article the guy is trying to put the story together.
Ima put the verse and tell me how can u put it together.

Matthew. Marry and the other women come with her and see the angel removing the rock and he sat down on the rock. They left joyful and jesus appear to them and hug him.

Mark. Marry and two other women come with her and they ask who is going to remove the rock, but the rock is already remove, they go inside And saw one angel sitting. And they left

Luke They came to the burial place, the rock was already removed. They went inside and there was no one. Then two angel appears. They left to tell the diciples. Peter came and he was amazed and left.

John. Marry came saw the rock removed, she when to tell the disciples. Peter and another deciple came saw nothing and left.
Marry was still outside crying and she look inside and saw two angels sitting . I guessing she went inside and the angel told her stuff, then jesus was behind her. But then jesus told her not to touch her.

So put the story together that makes perfect sense please

nathan3 · Feb 22, 2014

luis109g said:

You ever play the game telephone ? One person can hear something from someone else, Or, even witness the same thing even:
Yet, people are only able to remember what most stands out to them.

And, if your very active with many things going on, I can see how some small details can be overlooked, or remembered over another detail , because it stood out more in your mind.

It may be , that the rock was moved, and that's what could be remembered and Christ resurrected was the important thing to note to one, and the other, could recall the angels .

This is all good, because if they all alined perfectly, that would mean there maybe was not as many witnesses to the events.

The very fact we have different angles something can be viewed at, instead of one, allows us to see the same event from different peoples perspectives .

If your looking for one perfect account from one person; then your actually limiting what information you can have.

luis109g · Feb 22, 2014

Let say u and someone else were suspect of a murder and they police come and question you both about what happened. And u both say a different story. They gonna say, one of you is lying.

Dan58 · Feb 22, 2014

luis109g said:

The fact that each writer does not include every woman who went to the tomb, does not constitute a contradiction. All four gospels report that Mary Magdalene went to the tomb of Christ. John chose to focus on Magdalene, but does not say she was alone. Its the same with telling the apostles about the empty tomb, all 4 gospels report Magdalene, but some mention the other women. No contradiction in what happened, some just reported the occurrence in more detail. If one of them said that Mary Magdalene did not go to the tomb or tell the apostles, then you would have a contradiction.

Matthew does not say the women saw an angel roll the stone away (Matthew 28:2). This occurred before the women arrived (Luke 24:2, Mark 16:4, John 20:1). The lad inside was an angel, all angels appear as young men.

They saw two angels at the tomb.

An angel rolls away stone from tomb before sunrise (Matt. 28:2-4). The guards seized with fear, eventually flee.
Women disciples visit the tomb and discover Christ missing (Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:1-4; Luke 24:1-3; John 20:1)
Mary Magdalene leaves to tell Peter and John (John 20:1-2)
Other women remain at tomb; they see two angels who tell them of Christ’s resurrection (Matt. 18:5-7); Mark 16:5-7; Luke 24:4-8)
Peter and John run to the tomb and then leave (Luke 24:12; John 20:3-10)
Mary Magdalene returns to the tomb; She see's 2 angels standing at the head and feet of where the body had lain (John 20:12). Christ appears to her (Mark 16:9-11; John 20:11-18).
Jesus appears to the other women (Mary, mother of James, Salome, and Joanna) (Matt. 28:8-10).

endtimes · Feb 22, 2014

luis109g,

As a rule of thumb when reading the four gospels, is that each one has a bit more (or less) information than the other. Here is an example:

This is an account of the exact same event. Only one account offers more information than the others. See if you can spot it:

Matthew 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.

Mark 14:47 And one of them that stood by drew a sword, and smote a servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear.

Luke 22:50 And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear.

John 18:10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.

You are correct, it was John that lists the name of the servant who's ear was smote off, AND lists the name of the person that had drew the sword.

Here is one more example: Luke 22:61 mentions that the Lord looked upon Peter. The other books do not mention this fact. Let's read the exact same event unfolds:

Matthew 26:73 And after a while came unto him they that stood by, and said to Peter, Surely thou also art one of them; for thy speech bewrayeth thee.
[74] Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
[75] And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

Mark 14:71 But he began to curse and to swear, saying, I know not this man of whom ye speak.
[72] And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.

Luke 22:60 And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And immediately, while he yet spake, the cock crew.
[61] And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.

John 18:25 And Simon Peter stood and warmed himself. They said therefore unto him, Art not thou also one of his disciples? He denied it, and said, I am not.
[26] One of the servants of the high priest, being his kinsman whose ear Peter cut off, saith, Did not I see thee in the garden with him?
[27] Peter then denied again: and immediately the cock crew.

We have observed that the other scripture did not mention these facts, but where it is not mentioned does not mean that it did not happen.

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