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Do you believe America has gone away from the bible?


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#21
wrong spectre,, I am one the spectre gunship former crew member,, ac-130 gunship 71-74 Nam
Cool and I salute your service as I had three uncles do their time in Vietnam as well.....
 
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#22
I always found it convenient to stay inside a perfectly good plane
I boarded and took off in many C130 aircraft. Although they were "a perfectly good plane" I never landed in one. How was that possible?
 
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After reading your OP again, I wonder if you are christian ?
If I am not mistaken "Do not bear false witness." Is one of those commandments you are telling christians to obey.

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is God incarnated in the flesh?
Do you believe Jesus Christ took upon himself the transgressions of the world and died on the cross, being the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only ours but for the sins of the whole world?
Do you believe Jesus Christ rose from the dead and ascended into heaven and is seated at the right side of God the Father Almighty?

Please answer these questions for me in truth, so that I do not continue to think you are a liar.
 
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What is the purpose of talking about religions ? Christianity is a reality. This country the U.S is still more free then other nations , open your eyes and look. Try going to Saudi Arabia, or Iran, and then try to practice Christianity there; you'll be running back to the U.S before you knew what hit you.

Following Christ actions dose not mean admire the enemy.
I'm not interested in debating that point, I just wanted to express my shock that people still believe that
 
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Many things in the bible have leaned me further away from Christianity and leaves me confused. We pray to jesus and have to be like him yet, I see 10% of Christians LIVING like him. Must we not be like him and learn? To be a good christian we must not just "believe in jesus and live life" .. We also have to abide by the rules he gave us.

Who is jesus?

(John 5:30) ‘I (Jesus) by myself can do nothing – as I hear I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my will, but the will of thy who has sent me’.
(John 17:3) ‘This is eternal life, so that you may know there is one true God, and Jesus Christ, who Thou has sent.’
(Mathew 19:16-17) ‘One of the persons approaches Jesus, and says ‘Good Master, what good things shall I do, that I shall attain eternal life.’ And Jesus said unto him, ‘Why do you call me good? For there is none good, except One, that is God – And if you want to enter life, keep the commandments’.



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“Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.” John 3:4

"your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid His face from you, that He will not hear” (Isa. 59:2)

mathew 12:36
I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak,

Did jesus die for our sins or will we be judged?

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Why do we not follow jesus the way he wants us to

Mathew 5:48
"Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect"

Why do we drink alcohol and Muslims dont
Ephesians 5:18
"And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit,"


(Deuteronomy 14:8) ‘And the pig is unclean to you, because though it has a division in the horn of its foot, its food does not come back; their flesh may not be used for food or their dead bodies touched by you.’

1 Corinthians 6:9
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,"
makes sense why Muslims practice this yet we make fun of them..




Corinthians 11:6
"For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head."
why do you hate our muslim sisters for when god tells our women to do so


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Jesus always greeted people with "peace be upon you"
tell me why muons always say that when they meet someone


many many verses about praying to god while face on ground.. Prostration
explain why we don't do these things please

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“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.” Mathew 5:17
why do some say, the Old Testament is now to be followed?

Matthew 4:4: “…Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.”

“If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15)
why do so many Christians eat pork, drink alcohol etc etc.
we make the Muslims look good when they follow our book and they're book better than us.



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why do Muslims follow more things mentioned in the Koran and bible and Torah more than us and Jews?
why do we make fun of them for doing so when it is us who should be doing.


Mathew 5:44
"But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,"
There are so many good muslims in this world.Kind hearted people that by seeing their attitude(only attitude to help,not religious faith of islam) so many Christians can learn brotherly love.But the doctrine of islam is the problem.Nowhere in quran is described about the life of muhammad their prophet.History tells about him as a very cruel man,and a pedophile and all kind of weird wicked things he did.But about Jesus there are many passages and quran itself says that Jesus will return and defeat satan and then rule this world.And that He is the one going to judge this world,not muhammad and not even allah of islam,which is simply verified and confirmed same with Holy Bible(about Jesus coming back to Judge).

Jesus never married,He lived among the poor and under privileged and maintained a Prayerful Perfect sinless life by abiding in a constant fellowship or relationship with YHWH(God the Father). He died for the sins of mankind to set mankind free.muhammad didn't nor are miracles happening in muhammad's name.muhammad was married.
In the name of Jesus Miracles are happening all around the world,and people are ven brought back to life which even satan cannot do.
Jesus said to living people "Peace be upon you" not dead people.So that they can have Peace.
quran teaches and muslims say "peace be upon him" mentioning dead people.Pointless.

The teachings of Jesus and the verses you quoted from Holy Scripture are told to be followed when we surrender to Jesus.
There are no Perfect Christians.Everybody is running to receive Glory of God-Jesus Christ.And by Grace of God,Christians overcome this world and by Grace of God are people able to follow the Doctrines of Christ,because the less, people love the world,they will be able to follow Christian Doctrines.That's a mystery solved for you now:)

Taste and see that the Lord God is Good.Accept Jesus as your Personal savior and give your Heart to Him when you are convinced.Jesus died and rose from the dead to justify the freedom of those who accepted him as Personal Savior.If you read the Holy Scripture none of the sacrificial animals in Old Testament came back to life since they were sacrificed instead of man's fault.They were supposed to stay dead.But Jesus is the only man(God in flesh) who died as sacrifice and rose up from the dead.And God raised Him up from the dead and Jesus Himself came back to life with Gladness to justify people who accepted him as Savior.(Jesus is not thinking of His justification but our justification,even when He had to die without getting justice for living sinless before God,because He had to become the Holy Sacrifice to redeem mankind)
And when we follow this Unconditional Loving God who didn't care about his dignity and came down to Heal us who are unworthy,His Love changes us.In islam,you serve allah(of islam) as a slave.Its a slave and master relationship.
But Holy Scripture teaches us that God call us His Children when we come to Jesus.
God is Love.

Discern:)
Come to Jesus when you are convinced,He will never forsake you.
Living for Jesus does not make you accomplish anything in this world,but in the world to come as Sons & Daughters of God.
Because He is the Living Lord God,King of Kings and Lord of Lords and He is going to return just as the Holy Scripture prophecise it, to gather His Saints,and judge this world eventually.
Be one among that Holy get together living a life for Him.
A Christian struggles to follow Christ till he/she is taken from this world.A real Christian can never rest in this world as he/she has been changed by the Love of God which pushes him/her to move forward till the day he/she leaves this world to Heaven.
Read Holy Bible,Pray and meditate on Holy Scripture and God a lot.He will speak to you,because He is alive.
If you have a Genuine desire to know Jesus or whether its all true,God will touch in His time,the Perfect time and you will never be the same and, you will never feel really alone even if you have literally become lonely.

God Bless.
 
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its sounds like your trying to take the church back to law.

the reason your seeing 10% is most likely because only 10% have truly been born of God.

Those truly saved will change their lives. those who have mere belief (they believe but are not saved, because they have yet to have faith and assurance) will not.

plain and simple.
God gave us the spirit so we could worship Him in spirit and truth. The spirit is to lead us to the fruits of the spirit and good works. It isn't working. When we see sin and lack of love, we see lack of the spirit. You cannot approve of sin in your life, not even recognize it, and still have the spirit. Yes! We need to recognize the law, it is through law that love is expressed, and God in us is shown by love.
 
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God gave us the spirit so we could worship Him in spirit and truth. The spirit is to lead us to the fruits of the spirit and good works. It isn't working. When we see sin and lack of love, we see lack of the spirit. You cannot approve of sin in your life, not even recognize it, and still have the spirit. Yes! We need to recognize the law, it is through law that love is expressed, and God in us is shown by love.
Scripture says we can't have the spirit and continue in sin. Your correct. But thats the point. A true Christian can not continue in sin. Anyone who thinks they can does not understand God is at work in us, and will continue that work he begun till the day of Christ.

Love is not found in the law. It is found in Christ. The law points to self. Christ points to others. that is what is important.
 

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#28
Completely ignored my post. ?
Not only believe in jesus. But follow his actions.
No in the very escence of the few words I had said is that to believe in Jesus is to have a true excersized faith . A true exercised faith is listening and doing his commandments , and what are his commandments ? I can answer this by saying that His commandments are that we obey what He says because this is the true language of a sincere heart a true believer
 
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46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:


48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.


49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
 
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Layree333, your answers are all in 1 John 3. God gives you in the best way He can your answers and biggest of all.... Just how perfect His work is in a person He saves. Another piece in the Bible that you can read AFTER 1 John 3 is John 17. Then yuo will now there are VERY few chosen to be made in the image of Christ Jesus.

And Muslims do not do as the Bible and Couran say. They cannot as the two books contradict eachother 100% The one Allah in the Qouran says make war Allah's way and kill all who say the Messiah is the Son of God. And the other say we can only get to God by HIS SON THE MESSIAH...

So there is one thing cleared up for you. the rest you will read in 1 John 3. God's elect are PERFECT! And god makes them so! Good luch with your search and I know God says some heavy things in 1 John 3 but for Him to achieve this is NOTHING. He only has to make the man a BORN OF GOD person, Like His Son. So all Muslims should now wipe me of the face of the earth becasue I say the Messiah is the Son of God! And His Name is Yeshuah Ha Messiach... Jesus Christ. My Lord! Father and God.
 
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Scripture says we can't have the spirit and continue in sin. Your correct. But thats the point. A true Christian can not continue in sin. Anyone who thinks they can does not understand God is at work in us, and will continue that work he begun till the day of Christ.

Love is not found in the law. It is found in Christ. The law points to self. Christ points to others. that is what is important.
I am not able to understand that law is not an expression of love, only Christ is. God gave His Son so we could be saved, that is an expression of love, but God gave us law so we could live in an ordered, just, and loving world. When we live within the boundaries that law gives us, we are pointed outward toward God and our fellow man. It is sin that points back to self and bondage.
 
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Layree333, your answers are all in 1 John 3. God gives you in the best way He can your answers and biggest of all.... Just how perfect His work is in a person He saves. Another piece in the Bible that you can read AFTER 1 John 3 is John 17. Then yuo will now there are VERY few chosen to be made in the image of Christ Jesus.

And Muslims do not do as the Bible and Couran say. They cannot as the two books contradict eachother 100% The one Allah in the Qouran says make war Allah's way and kill all who say the Messiah is the Son of God. And the other say we can only get to God by HIS SON THE MESSIAH...

So there is one thing cleared up for you. the rest you will read in 1 John 3. God's elect are PERFECT! And god makes them so! Good luch with your search and I know God says some heavy things in 1 John 3 but for Him to achieve this is NOTHING. He only has to make the man a BORN OF GOD person, Like His Son. So all Muslims should now wipe me of the face of the earth becasue I say the Messiah is the Son of God! And His Name is Yeshuah Ha Messiach... Jesus Christ. My Lord! Father and God.
i feel like none of you have answered any of the verses in the bible that I have given all you. You all are part of the 80% who haven't realized what you need to do to be a good christian. You don't want to give someone else the satisfaction of being right. You just want to continue believing all that you were taught and don't want to learn anymore.

Back to to the point, the reason why I mentioned islam is because god told us many times not to hate they enemies. And of 1 billion Muslims, if 1 million are bad that is fine. Because of 2 billion Christians there are more than 3 million bad. we hate them because of what we hear (NOT of what we choose to learn as I prove my case above^^ ) no one wants to do the research (either follow the bible and learn more about Christianity.) or ( realize that Muslims aren't that bad )

im sick of the media trying to destroy all Muslims, when my brother who is in fact muslim PROVES to me that not all Muslims are bad. They are one of the most peaceful people.

Most of us hate them due to the fact that they preach jihad.... "Muhammad said, find ALL the non believers and kill them" ..
is it ironic how Jesus himself said the same thing?

we hate them because they don't eat pork?
Jesus told us not to

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And I have read there bible and the torahs. EVERYONE has mistaken the truth to what they have heard.

they believe jesus was a messenger and prophet, I could swear jesus mentioned he was a messenger. and when I mentioned verses that claim jesus is not god, all some people did was find verses that claim he was?!?

Could it it be that someone REWROTE the bible and confused us all?? Why are there verses that say on thing than verses that say the other

THIS IS THE QUESTION I AM ASKING^^^
any where I put a question mark is the question I'm asking.

ExplainALL the verses I wrote in the first post!!

PLEASE If You are a true christian and want me to go the right Path make me understand,,, I am lost and confuseddd
 
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#33
I am not able to understand that law is not an expression of love, only Christ is. God gave His Son so we could be saved, that is an expression of love, but God gave us law so we could live in an ordered, just, and loving world. When we live within the boundaries that law gives us, we are pointed outward toward God and our fellow man. It is sin that points back to self and bondage.
This is where I think we disagree..

You see the law as an instruction manual on how to live.

I do not see this, because it can;t tell us how to live.

I see the law as all the guages on your console to tell you how well the engine of your car is running. Before we are saved, it tells us our engine is broken, and can barely even start if it starts at all. And need a major overhaul, because it is useless, and the only thing it is good for is the junkyard.

When we get saved (born again) The guages are still there, they have not went away, But some new gauges were added, The gauges tell us how well the engine is running while we are using it to help others. And when we are using the new fuel to run the engine (Christ) and when we are using faulty fuel to run the engine (self)

but the other guages (law) are still to continue to show us, we have a flawed engine, which still is not perfect. and still deserving of the junkard and replaced with a perfect engine.

It is the love of Christ in us, and his example which shows us how to love and his ways. Not the law.
 
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This is where I think we disagree..

You see the law as an instruction manual on how to live.

I do not see this, because it can;t tell us how to live.

I see the law as all the guages on your console to tell you how well the engine of your car is running. Before we are saved, it tells us our engine is broken, and can barely even start if it starts at all. And need a major overhaul, because it is useless, and the only thing it is good for is the junkyard.

When we get saved (born again) The guages are still there, they have not went away, But some new gauges were added, The gauges tell us how well the engine is running while we are using it to help others. And when we are using the new fuel to run the engine (Christ) and when we are using faulty fuel to run the engine (self)

but the other guages (law) are still to continue to show us, we have a flawed engine, which still is not perfect. and still deserving of the junkard and replaced with a perfect engine.

It is the love of Christ in us, and his example which shows us how to love and his ways. Not the law.
so what happens to the Christians that don't get born again ..
God mentions a judgement day,
can you pull me a verse that says "after you get reborn you will not be counted for your sins"

thanks
 
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so what happens to the Christians that don't get born again ..
They are christian by name, but not by experience. They are unsaved people walking around pretending to be children of God. and fooling themselves into thinking they are children of God.

Unless was is born again, they are still dead in their sin.


or in my example. there engine is still broke, still not running, But for some strange reason, they think it is running great and all is well.


God mentions a judgement day,
can you pull me a verse that says "after you get reborn you will not be counted for your sins"

thanks
He mentions two judgment days.

A BEMA judgment for those born again (rewards)

A Great Whit Throne judgment for non believers or non born again. (eternal damnation)
 
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That's y I mention there's so many Christians who still sin.... Why is that.
Someone has to let them know, There parents aren't teaching them. American culture is only pushing them further.


And honestly, I still don't think I'm falling for the Reborn again, actually I asked for a verse if you can pu one up please
 
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That's y I mention there's so many Christians who still sin.... Why is that.
1. Are they truly Christian
2. You will not be sinless until you get to heaven.


Someone has to let them know, There parents aren't teaching them. American culture is only pushing them further.
God has overcome culture since the begining of time, what is happening in america is not new. the origional church was in a culture which looked identical to america sin wise. yet God still changed lives. that is what he is in the business of doing. do you think he will fail?



And honestly, I still don't think I'm falling for the Reborn again, actually I asked for a verse if you can pu one up please

there is no such term as reborn again. it is born again.
 
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Okay. For the 3rd time, do you just believe we are going to get born again or is it In the bible...
 
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#39
Okay. For the 3rd time, do you just believe we are going to get born again or is it In the bible...
I believe what the bible says.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

1 Peter 1:23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,
 
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Thanks. I will do more research to finally come up with the truth. I just feel like christianity isn't as simple as Judaism and islam.

It it is not doubt all three religions have the same god and follow the same people.

i am just too curious why our christian brothers and sisters hate our muslim brothers and sisters.
They just live by the book and have been doing so for 1500 years..

we use to live by the book then fell apart from it as being our laws...

Theyre basically living how we use too. We'll our ancestors at least

althought I don't agree with Muslims for cutting hands for stealing, killing the ones who rape, stoning nonvirgin women, but it just seems they are still living as the REAL law says to

our bible mentions to do all the things they CURRENTLY do.. Maybe we just fell downhill as they continued following god