ALL CHRISTIANS ANSWER PLEASE!! CONFUSED CHRISTIAN!!

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Do you believe America has gone away from the bible?


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Elin

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Im sorry, didnt even know you were talking to me to be honest.

Also, I might have not mentioned at all, but have later on that i am a confused VERY CONFUSED CHRISTIAN..

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You are a deceiving troll who is not welcome here.
 
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What's the "we," troll?
Now that is funny hahha I keep expecting ELin to don armor, shield and a two handed sword as the troll comes out from under the bridge......What is the speed of a southbound swallow carrying a coconut? HAH! <---Monty Python for those old enough to remember...
 

Elin

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This is not my problem, I am the one who asked for guidance, i asked for the answers, not one person answered.

So how is this my fault?
The innocent deceiving unwelcome troll whines.
 

Elin

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Oh my goodness, I'm afraid you might be a bit younger than I expected when I answered. Most people don't think all other unsaved people are all horrible. I pray for them that there is a time when a door opens to the Christ I know because God loves them and the goodness they have. I can't answer your questions, and sadly, it sounds like you are already convinced you should follow a God based on your observations of the followers of that God. I have studied many religions - God spoke to me through Christ. In his words seems an undeniable truth.
This kind of trolling does not come from someone younger than you are.
 

Elin

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Well honestly i dont know what to tell you, I try.
I feel like this is the right religion, but am confused.
Then when i hear of other things, you ask questions...

Honestly this is one of the main reasons it has came to mind now that i seen it,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s01EZ87dBGw

He was a christian... Can you please tell me why this educated christian would convert?
Answer please Im sick of hearing my own thoughts and talking to myself, i need other peoples opinions
Not half as sick as we are, troll.
 

Elin

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Thanks, but i think i figured an answer.

I asked god and he replied while i was in the shower
Im not being deceived, he told me i was going the right way and that people you ask who tell you otherwise are the nonbelievers (IDK if hes talking about you or anyone else on this post lol)
But i feel great right now, And im not in the same boat as you were, you said you were attacked by EVIL spirits, I am being attacked by gods angel carrying me in the right direction as for my brother in that video.
Being a muslim wont push me further from god but will only bring my closer, I can ALREADY feel it.
My life begins tomorrow, BLESS YOU ALL.

AS THE MUSLIMS SAY "ASALAM WA ALAYKUM"
meaning, PEACE BE UPON YOU
Exactly what jesus told us to greet people with.
just what jesus wanted us to preach but my fellow brothers and sisters in christianity dont feel it like i do.

Bless you all.
So are you lying again this time, or will you now be gone, troll?
 

Elin

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Lol,
But I honestly hope everyone takes it well, Im not a bad person, i just feel like it makes a lot of sense and God pushed me this way.
I mean why continue being christian if I dont believe Jesus is god, i believe Jesus was just sent from god as a true messenger for god to spread the message. I still believe all the actions and miracles hes done, i just feel like people like PAUL exaggerated Jesus and made everyone believe him as someone ALOT more superior then he actually was...
Are you lying or telling the truth when you say you believe the miracles, troll?
 

Elin

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And honestly im going to read the Chapter MARYAM in the koran which is MARY jesus mom, i want to see what it says.
Im just curious of exactly what muslims do think of him.
I will leave a quick summary after im done for anyone curious.

Probably tomorrow. Everyone have a good night
So, if you're a Muslim, why will you be on a Christian Chat forum tomorrow, troll?
 

Elin

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Hey thanks for the info. And to be honest, That sounds just like my theory, Its weird how ive always assumed that and you mentioned this out of no where... another sign? idk.

Whats the source of christians saying jesus is god... the bible. well muslims use the quran as there word just like we do for the bible.



I was once debating with a muslim about which book could be right, and that this will be always be a battle because no one can really prove which is right.

he said " well, two things. Islam is a religion from Abraham, so no doubt these are the three main religions. The koran mentions EVERYTHING the bible mentions, except the teachings of jesus being god. The bible itself mentions JESUS is not god, then mention he is. How many versions of the bible are there..?"

i said " I dont know, many"

he said, "well, theres only one book for us, and its been the same for the last 1400 years and NO VERSIONS have been made of it. We dont follow the Koran of mark, koran of muhammad, koran of peter, we follow the KORAN which is the book of god. we dont need other people recreating our book and confusing our own people with their OWN OPINIONS. we simply read the book and understand it. Us muslims Know your bible more than yourselves, we follow JESUS teachings according to the bible better than christians, Maybe some muslims practice jihad, NOT offensive JIHAD but defensive. WHICH is killing because we were attacked first."

i said "Exactly, killing all in all is wrong so why do it"

he said "I will never kill, nor will any other muslim i know, the ones in the middle east being Attacked will, but i wont. God clearly mentioned in the koran Killing one life is as if you killed the whole world, and saving one life is as youve saved the whole world"

i mentioned about muslim women

he said "my mother, my sister, and all the women in my family are treated as queens, we live the normal american life, go out watch movies, go to the mall, interact, as a normal family. Yes, many arabs hit their wives i wont deny it, but tell me when the last time women abuse in AMERICA wasnt a problem? There are many bad people on earth, its who YOU decide to be and decide what to do"
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back to the point later on, he mentioned one more thing about the quran before i left.
Heres what i heard which honestly made my heart drop for christianity.

he said "Have you watched that one movie the book of eli, where denzel memorizes the bible because there were no more bibles left? did you notice how HAPPY the people on the island were when they realized that someone actually was going to KEEP the bible, THE WORD OF GOD alive? did you see that?"

i said "Yes i remember"

He said "If Every Koran in the world was burnt, maybe i wont be the one to keep it alive for the world, but muslims could have 1 million muslims lined up, repeating everysingle verse word for word in the same order it was written at the same time. Thats how dedicated we are to our religion. What you see on the media, thats 1% of the muslims, Dont let your ears deceive you, because hey im talking to you right now and your about to leave, you are going to leave Alive"

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Honest this was as close as i can remember word for word of what he said.
I have never met a more gentle, caring person then him. This was almost one year ago and when i was a muslim racist.
They tone, the evil, i had towards him while having that debate was unreal, Why?
Because my mother taught me muslims were bad, why? because she watchs the news and never cared to learn, not even about christianity did she care.

Well, thats my point.. and honestly, everything just makes sense about their religion.


By the way... Do we christians follow the TORAH in any way? is it considered part of the old testament?
A rather transparent "con" to blame your unbelief on Christianity, troll.
 

Elin

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"Behold! the angels said, 'Oh Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him. His name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter, and in (the company of) those nearest to God. He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. He shall be (in the company) of the righteous... And God will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel'" ( qura 3:45-48).

"Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how God makes His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!" (5:75).

"And behold! God will say [i.e. on the Day of Judgment]: 'Oh Jesus, the son of Mary! Did you say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God?' He will say: 'Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would indeed have known it. You know what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Yours. For You know in full all that is hidden. Never did I say to them anything except what You commanded me to say: 'Worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I lived among them. When You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a witness to all things'" (5:116-117).

“And We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear miracles” (Quran 2:87)




God mentions a miracle given to none other in the Quran but Jesus, one which is quite parallel to how God himself created Adam. This miracle was one which none can argue its greatness. God mentions in the Quran that Jesus says:
“I create for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird with God’s permission.” (Quran 3:49)
This miracle is not found in the New Testament, but it is found in the non-canonical ‘Infancy Gospel of Thomas,’ “When this boy, Jesus, was five years old, he was playing at the ford of a rushing stream… he then made soft clay and shaped it into twelve sparrows… but Jesus simply clapped his hands and shouted to the sparrows: “Be off, fly away, and remember me, you who are now alive!” And the sparrows took off and flew away noisily.” (Infancy Gospel of Thomas:2)
Similar to the New Testament[3], The Quran also mentions Jesus to a have healed the blind and lepers.
“I also heal the blind and the leper.” (Quran 3:49)
The Jews during the time of Jesus were quite advanced in the science of medicine and were quite proud of their achievements. For this reason, miracles of this nature were given by God to Jesus, ones which the Jews could well understand that no force in nature could perform its like.
The Resurrection of the Dead

“…and I bring to life the dead, by the permission of God.” (Quran 3:49)
This, like the creation of a bird, was a miracle of incomparable nature, one which should have caused the Jews to believe in the prophethood of Jesus without doubt. In the New Testament, we read three cases where Jesus brought the dead back to life by God’s permission - the daughter of Jairus (Matt 9:18, 23; Mark 5:22, 35; Luke 8:40, 49), the widow's son at Nain (Luke 7:11), and Lazarus (John 11:43).
And yet, something in the Bible if it comes from a Muslim book is true to you, troll.

Say no more.
 
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You are a deceiving troll who is not welcome here.
i am not caught up with all that has happened here but all are welcomed. lots of athiest come here and some get saved but it can only happen if we extend a love hand and welcome them with open arms
 
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can I ask you something? Why NOT follow the OT. What exactly does it mention that we as Christians don't want believe?
I am following the OT. It pointed to Christ. He is our redeemer, anything short of him will lead to destruction.

by the way, the post you responded to was an old testament psalm of king david. so why would you say I was not following the OT
 
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Also psalms mention the valley of bacca which is Mecca in Saudi Arabia... Do you know why, I've always been curious.
most of the OT speaks of all those areas.. that is where God worked way back then.
 
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This is a real good thread to get to the bottom of the great apostacy in the christian churches of today. Layre333 is right on in his condemnation of today's churches. The apostasy has spread to the Fundamental church also; this is evident by eteral-grateful's posts "faith only". Most all of christianity has gone bad in this world, 90% or more is bad. YES, America and the world has rejected The Christ and/or the Bible. Some of you, like dcontroversal have good posts, keep up the good work. christianity with out the moral law is LOST. Love to all, Hoffco
if you reject faith alone. You make yourself your own God. and reject the Christ who was sent from heaven.

Why do people want to make the same mistake the jews did. Yuo think you will somehow come out better then they did when we all stand before God? You will stand condemned right along with them!
 

Elin

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Sorry didnt see your quote.

Reason is, because 1000 years ago, we never lived the way we did today, but we lived the same way JEWS and MUSLIMS live today..
Over years we let this new culture spread over our hearts.

Jesus would be ashamed
Piety of a troll.
 

Elin

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are you serious? Have you even read the bible or are you just following what you were taught by someone else who didn't read the bible either.

"John says" "John said " john believed. So did peter.

Okay. So you follow them and not jesus?

jesus didn't die for oursins, everyone is responsible for their sins, every sin you've made is still there unless you've repented to god, not jesus , but god. The same one jesus prayed to and told everyone else to pray to.

If jesus died for our sins how are we born with sins...?????


You all are so confused. God gave us a brain, for what? To use it. Open your eyes and read the truth
If you don't believe the gospel, why are you here, troll?

To spread your unbelief around?