ALL CHRISTIANS ANSWER PLEASE!! CONFUSED CHRISTIAN!!

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Do you believe America has gone away from the bible?


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fozi

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Well.a lot of propaganda was done against islam in west.because church was afraid of islam.otherwise islam is a religion of peace.Infact muslims r suffering a lot around the world.They believe in one God and the quran.......
 
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Layre333, Where did you get the idea I hate Muslims? I hatte no person. But I do hate sin. I hate evil. but since my God is not an acceptor of the person neither am I. I know Allah of the Quoran is not my God and that Allah does not even exist. There is only one TRUE GOD and His name is in person of the MAN of God ... Jesus Christ.
Allah in Jewish is Elohim. In English means one god. Whether christian or any religion Allah means god.




You are really confused but if you believe what you read when you read the KJV the confusion will make place for God's perfect Word. And His Word is truth and the Truth shall make you free.... Even free from confusion.... Jesus said to His people that ehy shall know the Truth and the truth shall make them free.
If I read from the KJV?????? So your telling me it's the wrong version? Your telling me some versions are right and some are wrong? Why should I believe your opinion over other Christians who say follow mark for better knowledge. I want to follow god. Sounds like your on the same boat as me, except I realized it.



Here is something that should make you less confuse.... Jesus says I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE! So now you should be less confused. If you do not know how they are one then tell me this... If I have a spirit in me ans you have the EXACT same spirit in you would we not be the SAME or at least ONE person? You see God the Father is the Holy Spirit and Jesus is flesh with the Holy Spirit in Him. So He and the FATHER IS ONE SPIRIT... ONE GOD. The whole GLORY of the Holy Spirit cannot be contained in HIS FULL GLORY in flesh. Flesh cannot contain the full glory of God, but it can contain it in such a manner that the glory of God in flesh makes the flesh a HOLY MAN OF GOD. And that is what God does to make a man holy... He fills the flesh with His Spirit. Ecacctly what Jesus was.
Jesus actually said that? We'll that solves everything. He didn't mention his the "father is greater than I" he didn't say "I alone can't do nothing"
so his words are only accepted the way you want hear it? The bible was rewritten. Not all of it can be trusted.

No man could be as close as to god as jesus was, but god never introduced himself to this world, nor died through jesus. So that answers no to your question.
If GOD died for our sins, why are we born with sins?
whos watching the world right now?
last but not least, how could god die in the first place?

muslims do at least he is the messiah, has done miracles, and is a messenger of god who brought down the INJEEL (bible in Arabic) god brought the Quran down to fulfill the bible as it was reworded from human.
They believe jesus will be the savior on judgement day and not Muhammad.



So ask away, but this time just ask a question to me and I will answer. [/QUOT] Answer all my questions.


I will ask you this.... Can a man be holy without the Spirit of God filling him? I say NO!


And there is no such thing as a GOOD MUSLIM or a GOOD CHRISTIAN... there is only ONE that is Good. Jesus says ONLY GOD IS GOOD. And GOOD Muslims is not Muslim, Allah DEMANDS them to war against Christians.. so if they do not they are BAD MUSLIMS... Good Musloms do what their God (Allah) tells them to do. They make war Alah's way. Also there is no Good or bad Chrisitans... A Christian is a follower of Jesus and HE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT IS GOOD... So there! It should help you a bit. Good people has the Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus in them and then it is GOD IN THEM THAT IS GOOD!
It's funny how you say Muslims do this when jesus himself did it...

it don't matter,
We don't do all things mentioned in bible. Muslims don't do all that's mentioned in the Koran.
 
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So you think that a person must EARN their salvation? Are YOU serious? If we could be perfect, we would not need Jesus to atone for our sins. We would never be guilty of sin. And you believe we are born with sin because that is what you have been taught. People do not "inherit" sin. They die the death that Adam died when they sin in the way that Adam sinned, so go back to Genesis and get it straight: What did God say to Adam? Do not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for in the DAY that you eat it, YOU SHALL SURELY DIE! When did Adam die? The man lived for over 700 years. Yet God told him he would die IN THE DAY that he ate of that tree. So did Adam die? Yes, he died SPIRITUALLY. God was not warning Adam about physical death. He was warning him about spiritual death. You believe differently because you have been taught Calvinism and Hereditary Depravity. When you look at the scriptures properly, you will realize that Paul in Romans was actually saying that it was SPIRITUAL death which came into the world because of Adam's sin. And when we sin today, as Adam did, then we suffer the same sentence Adam suffered. BECAUSE HE DID NOT PHYSCALLY DROP DEAD IN THE DAY THAT HE ATE THE FRUIT. Either God lied to Adam, or it was spiritual death that Adam suffered. Get it wrong in Genesis, and you will get a lot of other things wrong.
Jesus CLEARLY stated, when people come to me and say "lord lord , did we not say your name and pray to you " he said go away evil doers I say no thing.
So why which no one has and CAN answer. Why does jesus say all these. The father is greater than I. Don't pray to me. I can do nothing.

You only believe what you were taught, if you actually read it will say different that what u were taught. Ummmmm nd no I actually don't believe that I was making a statement of what other Christians believe, nd why do they believe that and you don't, because your confused nd so are they.

Jesus us mentioned a judgement day. He said we will be accounted for all sins. Why don't we take that serious? Because your so caught up on what u already know and you don't want to change the way you live. You all praise jesus , but none of us actually live like jesus. I don't care for what Paul said, I want to know what god said in the bible, the own words god told jesus to write down, these are my laws which people should abide. He wrote it. Preached it. People believed he was more than a messenger and started praying to him. Those people caused generations until today believe that.

Jesus us would be ashamed.
 
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I have made a mistake with you. I have now read some of your other posts and realize that you are not Christian and therefore do not know the various doctrines in the Christian churches.
You are Muslim. And you do not understand English concepts of context and intent.
So you probably have no idea what Calvinism or Hereditary Depravity is.
I can now see by some of your scripture quotes and questions that you do not understand what you are talking about when it comes to the bible. You reject that Jesus is God. My only response is: "Find the body". Find the body of Jesus and prove that He was just a man. Where is the body?
We'll even the Muslims claim, before his crucification, god sent him straight to heaven, and is sitting with god till judgement day and will come and take all believers to heaven. And it actually makes sense..
Brother I urge you to do more research.

So by jesus dieing, god dieing as we'll, who's watching over us right now, where is jesus body, did god the spirit leave the body?
even if you answered any of these it wouldn't matter. The bible itself never said any of this was true.
 
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danalee

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We'll even the Muslims claim, before his crucification, god sent him straight to heaven, and is sitting with god till judgement day and will come and take all believers to heaven. And it actually makes sense..
Brother I urge you to do more research.

So by jesus dieing, god dieing as we'll, who's watching over us right now, where is jesus body, did god the spirit leave the body?
even if you answered any of these it wouldn't matter. The bible itself never said any of this was true.

trollin trollin trollin.


Been on this board for a while now and TOTALLY seeing how it's being attacked by demonic forces posing as this or that.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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If you live under the law, you try to be saved without grace. When we are under grace it means that we can repent and be made clean supernaturally, but repent means turning to the law and trying to obey it.
No, Repent does not mean that. If that is true, then we are under law not Grace.

Repent means you agree with the law. You are a sinner condemned because of the law. And keep coming to Christ as your savior!

When you live under grace, you realize you are still condemned apart from Grace!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I thought repent means to change your mind and agree with God about sin in one's life which results in one obeying the Word of God.
Yes,

In the flesh, We are our own God. and we decide what is right and wrong. When we repent, we agree with God and agree because of our sin we are condemned.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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People who go to church and say they are Christians play a lot of games with this. In the OT, people were told what we label the letter of the law. In the NT after we receive the Holy Spirit, there is a lot said about the spirit of the law. God wants both. Almost the entire chapter of Isaiah is saying this.

That can not be taught by the law. period!

We are told many OT people simply obeyed. They were told to use blood for atonement, for instance. It was a symbol of Christ's blood, and God looked at their heart not the actual blood. So people went through the actions in the same way others used blood for idols, to curry favor for better crops not for atonement of their sins. Scripture says God did not want any of that. God wanted their heart.

We are often doing the same thing, but opposite. We say that when we obey it is always with spirit and truth. People don't do what is right any more only because scripture says so, we sometimes accept sin because our fleshly reasoning tells us it is OK. We have the Holy Spirit, most of us really try to follow that, but we live in a fleshly body, too. It requires discipline as well as the spirit of God, it requires both.
Read psalms 51. David understood what God wanted according to the law. Not his strict obedience, but his humble heart. David continued to commit adultry (he had many wives) yet he was called a man after Gods heart. He stated clearly, His sin was laways before me (alot Like Paul in romans 7 when he claimed he could not stop sin) It is not our perfect obedience, or trying hard to obey the law (which we can;t do anyway) it is our heart attitude.
 

Apostol2013

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27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
 

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And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
 

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5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee
 
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trollin trollin trollin.


Been on this board for a while now and TOTALLY seeing how it's being attacked by demonic forces posing as this or that.
Believe what you want. I was still in a debate if decision. But NOT ONE CHRISTIAN BROTHER OR CHRISTIAN SYSTER has answered any of the bible verses mentioned in first post
 

Apostol2013

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11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
 
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Read psalms 51. David understood what God wanted according to the law. Not his strict obedience, but his humble heart. David continued to commit adultry (he had many wives) yet he was called a man after Gods heart. He stated clearly, His sin was laways before me (alot Like Paul in romans 7 when he claimed he could not stop sin) It is not our perfect obedience, or trying hard to obey the law (which we can;t do anyway) it is our heart attitude.
can I ask you something? Why NOT follow the OT. What exactly does it mention that we as Christians don't want believe?
 
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Read psalms 51. David understood what God wanted according to the law. Not his strict obedience, but his humble heart. David continued to commit adultry (he had many wives) yet he was called a man after Gods heart. He stated clearly, His sin was laways before me (alot Like Paul in romans 7 when he claimed he could not stop sin) It is not our perfect obedience, or trying hard to obey the law (which we can;t do anyway) it is our heart attitude.
Also psalms mention the valley of bacca which is Mecca in Saudi Arabia... Do you know why, I've always been curious.
 
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27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
sorry this hasn't answered any of my questions from the bible verses.
 
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trollin trollin trollin.


Been on this board for a while now and TOTALLY seeing how it's being attacked by demonic forces posing as this or that.
When will anyone do me the honor and answer my original post?
 

Apostol2013

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This is true about Jesus that he is Lord and God being the son being from God not like adam that was reathed life into but one beggoten from his own spirit into flesh noy created for he was and is and will be beggotten is the very same Spirit as God therefore the scripture that in the beggining was the word and the word had already existed , and the word was with God and the word was God . This is Jesus the same crucified one with the Father and the same One One God one LORD YHWH , BECAUSE YHWH means LORD .
 

Apostol2013

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I will answer your post i will answer all your questions regarding the verses you asked about lauyree
 
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danalee

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When will anyone do me the honor and answer my original post?
For what reason? You are asking me questions out of aggression. You've come on here to try and upset people with twisted logic and are making wild accusations against the legitimacy of the resurrection. You are attacking with false doctrines. I don't dance with that.