Is it wrong for a Christian to smoke weed?
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I have never done pot. Our president who I believe has questionable morals. Says he don't want his daughters to smoke it. He has experience with it. I also heard on TV where 3 third graders in CA were smoking it in a bathroon. Is that what we REALLY want for our kids. There are some drugs that we need to be NORMAL, to get well.
How could it ever be GOOD to be HIGH and out of control of your mind.
Just because something is not in the bible don't think that makes it alright. Rape is not there either does that make it OK?
The Bible is a Book of Principles.
How could it ever be GOOD to be HIGH and out of control of your mind.
Just because something is not in the bible don't think that makes it alright. Rape is not there either does that make it OK?
The Bible is a Book of Principles.
I still think safe and legal trials are a good idea.
Trouble is, many pharmaceutical companies stand to lose a lot of money if cannabis made safe and legal were to undercut their often expensive meds. The moralizers against cannabis who are silent about pharmaceutical rip-offs are doing the work of the rip-off corporations for them. Some elderly Americans travel to Mexico or Canada to buy meds which in those countries can cost down to only 1/20 of what they have to pay in the US, in some cases.
But I'm not in favor of recreational weed.
Trouble is, many pharmaceutical companies stand to lose a lot of money if cannabis made safe and legal were to undercut their often expensive meds. The moralizers against cannabis who are silent about pharmaceutical rip-offs are doing the work of the rip-off corporations for them. Some elderly Americans travel to Mexico or Canada to buy meds which in those countries can cost down to only 1/20 of what they have to pay in the US, in some cases.
But I'm not in favor of recreational weed.
No... second-hand sources would be looking into articles, books, etc written by opponents of the view, or sources that are paraphrasing what advocates have said. And I haven't really smoked it A GREAT DEAL - but I have tried it. So yeah, I don't think you even comprehended what I wrote.
Ok. It was crap for you. It was bondage for you. But not everyone is going to have YOUR experience because guess what: We're all different! Some people experience Jesus with emotions, some with intellect. Coffee can put some people to sleep (seriously) and make others jittery and practically unable to function. Some people can ride a four-wheeler at high speed in pure delight and adrenaline, and some people would be scared to death and praying they don't die.
There is no experience on this earth I believe, or substance, that affect EVERYONE the EXACT SAME WAY. So yeah, maybe you got a good laugh because what I said was not YOUR experience. But that doesn't mean it's not what someone else has experienced.
Ok. It was crap for you. It was bondage for you. But not everyone is going to have YOUR experience because guess what: We're all different! Some people experience Jesus with emotions, some with intellect. Coffee can put some people to sleep (seriously) and make others jittery and practically unable to function. Some people can ride a four-wheeler at high speed in pure delight and adrenaline, and some people would be scared to death and praying they don't die.
There is no experience on this earth I believe, or substance, that affect EVERYONE the EXACT SAME WAY. So yeah, maybe you got a good laugh because what I said was not YOUR experience. But that doesn't mean it's not what someone else has experienced.
There are also studies that shows it is perfectly harmless. I don't care what the issue is, there is likely going to be studies on both sides of the fence.
Btw, you want to quote any of these studies? I will do the same.
You know, some Christians criticize Pentecostals for their emotional, chaotic worship, because it distorts them from focusing on God in an honest way, is a bad witness to unbelievers coming into the church, and is really not healthy. But Pentecostals say they "feel" closer to God. Opponents say "Yeah, but God being with you is not about feeling His presence all the time."
Would you tell these Christians NOT to worship this way because they are not "clear-minded" at the time?
And banning something from someone with no clear Scripture that says "This is wrong" is NOT legalistic?
Well, I have sat with a man who smoked weed. He offered it to me. When he walked, he didn't stumble. His words were not slurred. "Groovy" wasn't something he said every time I said something good. Like I said before, weed affects different people in different ways.
Yeah, when my friend was smoking pot, he was awfully menacing all right. I'm lucky I got out of there without getting raped!
Which is way I support people refraining from it, if they can. Not because it's bad, but for the sake of their jobs, and such.
By the way, you're using law as a justification. If it were against the law to read the Bible or to have one, would you just throw up your hands and say "Well, it's against law, so I shouldn't do it."
There is a distinction here, but the principle is the same: If something is against the law, doesn't make it wrong. The government is not God, sorry.
See, there's that grey area again. It's ok if a MAN who thinks you need it prescribes it (which, I personally don't know, but maybe it takes as much as it does to get "stoned out of your mind" to feel pain relief? Would getting high be ok then?) but it's not ok to purchase at a store? Which some mind-altering meds are over the counter - like cough syrup. Should I need a prescription to have that too? What about coffee?
Magic words, those are.
Btw, you want to quote any of these studies? I will do the same.
You know, some Christians criticize Pentecostals for their emotional, chaotic worship, because it distorts them from focusing on God in an honest way, is a bad witness to unbelievers coming into the church, and is really not healthy. But Pentecostals say they "feel" closer to God. Opponents say "Yeah, but God being with you is not about feeling His presence all the time."
Would you tell these Christians NOT to worship this way because they are not "clear-minded" at the time?
And banning something from someone with no clear Scripture that says "This is wrong" is NOT legalistic?
Well, I have sat with a man who smoked weed. He offered it to me. When he walked, he didn't stumble. His words were not slurred. "Groovy" wasn't something he said every time I said something good. Like I said before, weed affects different people in different ways.
Yeah, when my friend was smoking pot, he was awfully menacing all right. I'm lucky I got out of there without getting raped!
Which is way I support people refraining from it, if they can. Not because it's bad, but for the sake of their jobs, and such.
By the way, you're using law as a justification. If it were against the law to read the Bible or to have one, would you just throw up your hands and say "Well, it's against law, so I shouldn't do it."
There is a distinction here, but the principle is the same: If something is against the law, doesn't make it wrong. The government is not God, sorry.
See, there's that grey area again. It's ok if a MAN who thinks you need it prescribes it (which, I personally don't know, but maybe it takes as much as it does to get "stoned out of your mind" to feel pain relief? Would getting high be ok then?) but it's not ok to purchase at a store? Which some mind-altering meds are over the counter - like cough syrup. Should I need a prescription to have that too? What about coffee?
Magic words, those are.
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Ok... so, you have this image that ALL people who smoke weed stamper around, can't have clear conversations, become violent (some who are drunk do)?
Yes, I know some people shouldn't smoke weed, because they can't control themselves, or their body is really sensitive to it.
But, if you're going to ban weed, for that reason, then alcohol should be illegal was well. Just saying.
Yes, I know some people shouldn't smoke weed, because they can't control themselves, or their body is really sensitive to it.
But, if you're going to ban weed, for that reason, then alcohol should be illegal was well. Just saying.
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I just posted a slew of responses, and I just want to say that I'm sorry for my condescending tone. I'm not sorry for what I said, but how I said it. Talking to one another in such a fashion is not Christian love and understanding, and I hope you all will forgive me. Certain attitudes... rub me the wrong way. God bless everyone.
I just posted a slew of responses, and I just want to say that I'm sorry for my condescending tone. I'm not sorry for what I said, but how I said it. Talking to one another in such a fashion is not Christian love and understanding, and I hope you all will forgive me. Certain attitudes... rub me the wrong way. God bless everyone.
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Jamie, i honestly can't argue with you, because even if I show you the Scriptures in the Bible to uphold the things I have said, they wouldn't make any difference to you because you don't believe in the Bible as the infallible word of God. You have already shown this on another thread.
Every post I have seen from you comes from a relativistic background, "it may not be right for some people, but it is right for me."
Even fornication is ok with you so long as it is "safe fornication." I would tell you that fornication in any form is sin, but since you don't believe that God's word is infallible, it wouldn't make any difference.
Every post I have seen from you comes from a relativistic background, "it may not be right for some people, but it is right for me."
Even fornication is ok with you so long as it is "safe fornication." I would tell you that fornication in any form is sin, but since you don't believe that God's word is infallible, it wouldn't make any difference.
You're right. I don't believe it's infallible. I have no reason to believe it is. God never audibly told me "This is my word." I never saw it written in the clouds. The book never floated in front of me, flapping its pages. But I believe it has timeless lessons, and the key to salvation. I have faith that it does. But I can't prove it. And if "the kingdom of heaven is inside me," then I imagine my heart can lead in truth (some of it - the heart can be deceiving) as well.
I applaud anyone who can wait for marriage. I think that's a beautiful, and wonderful thing. But how do you think those who "slipped up" feel, when they are CONSTANTLY bombarded with the "wait" message - it only resurrects their guilt. I know - I've been there. I scarcely heard "I slipped up, but here's the good God brought out of that for me." I NEVER heard "You know, here's the historical context of the matter..."
I don't think it's sensitive on an internet site, that anyone with any background or experience can read, to put things down as "this is the way it is." I think different points of view should be expressed. That's the purpose of the forum. I know this is a Christian site, but it is for all Christian interpretations. And that includes the ones that aren't orthodox (and WHAT IS orthodox, anyway?)
No, I didn't say that I think "safe fornication" is ok for Christians. What I said is that Christians should wait, but if they can't, are older and more mature, maybe they could peruse that if they're looking towards marriage. I have NEVER had sex unless I thought I was going to marry the man.
About condoms and birth control in school, I'm talking about society in general - and here's the alarming thing: Not every person in America is Christian! Don't ya just love religious freedom? I mean, the thing is that leaving children to their peers' "knowledge" of what safe sex is, opens the door to unwanted things. You tell a rebellious teenager NOT to have sex, then chances are they will, only they'll have no protection because you forbid them to have it. That's just common sense. Tell them they can if they choose, but kindly advising against it will probably make it less appealing to some of them because it's not forbidden (I say probably). If you reared your children right when they were young (which many parents don't these days), then they will probably have an inclination to do what is right and best: And the combination of not forbidding it, while providing personal experience and caution, I really feel (because I was a teenager once) that will take away a lot of the appeal of teenage sex.
And I would encourage everyone to go to the thread and read my posts for yourselves:
http://christianchat.com/christian-teens-forum/79912-virginity-keeping.html
Oh... and wasn't this thread suppose to be about weed?
I applaud anyone who can wait for marriage. I think that's a beautiful, and wonderful thing. But how do you think those who "slipped up" feel, when they are CONSTANTLY bombarded with the "wait" message - it only resurrects their guilt. I know - I've been there. I scarcely heard "I slipped up, but here's the good God brought out of that for me." I NEVER heard "You know, here's the historical context of the matter..."
I don't think it's sensitive on an internet site, that anyone with any background or experience can read, to put things down as "this is the way it is." I think different points of view should be expressed. That's the purpose of the forum. I know this is a Christian site, but it is for all Christian interpretations. And that includes the ones that aren't orthodox (and WHAT IS orthodox, anyway?)
No, I didn't say that I think "safe fornication" is ok for Christians. What I said is that Christians should wait, but if they can't, are older and more mature, maybe they could peruse that if they're looking towards marriage. I have NEVER had sex unless I thought I was going to marry the man.
About condoms and birth control in school, I'm talking about society in general - and here's the alarming thing: Not every person in America is Christian! Don't ya just love religious freedom?
I mean, the thing is that leaving children to their peers' "knowledge" of what safe sex is, opens the door to unwanted things. You tell a rebellious teenager NOT to have sex, then chances are they will, only they'll have no protection because you forbid them to have it. That's just common sense. Tell them they can if they choose, but kindly advising against it will probably make it less appealing to some of them because it's not forbidden (I say probably). If you reared your children right when they were young (which many parents don't these days), then they will probably have an inclination to do what is right and best: And the combination of not forbidding it, while providing personal experience and caution, I really feel (because I was a teenager once) that will take away a lot of the appeal of teenage sex.And I would encourage everyone to go to the thread and read my posts for yourselves:
http://christianchat.com/christian-teens-forum/79912-virginity-keeping.html
Oh... and wasn't this thread suppose to be about weed?
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