This deeply saddens me

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Cairparavel

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The lies people are being fed are getting to be more and more fierce. I'm sure you have all heard the pro-choice arguments before, but they way they state their views as "fact" is even more upsetting. Like a fetus feeling any pain is fake science, etc.

The way the world is going makes me want to cry every day. Here is the link, but beware it's very sad and sickening the way it's presented. I just wanted people to be aware of how bad it is and how forceful these people are. The article is titled: 6 abortion myths debunked.

6 Abortion Myths Debunked — Everyday Feminism
 
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All the studies they quoted (in the article they referenced) that say the fetuses don't feel pain were conducted by abortion practitioners, how convenient,
Answering the Pain Deniers –
 
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Thanks for the warning. I can't click that link. I can't bear to read this rubbish.

The child in the womb is a functioning human being, with a body that feels pain and even the mother's emotions. Hearing voices while still in the womb affects the little child's emotional development. It is a living soul.
 
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Pain or no pain, murder is the issue here. The argument of pain is a distraction from the real issue.
 
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That article sounds like a link from the 1960's before they understood the damage abortion does to bothy the baby and the mother. But not all feminists are pro abortion. I've been posting from a feminist pro life website, which is really amazing on another thread in this forum.

The latest research by the pro abortionists in the US, shows they are losing the battle, and over half of Americans polled did not believe in unrestricted abortion. (I wonder what a poll like that would look like in Canada?)

I think that there is still a way to go with regards to people understanding that not even rape justifies abortion, but the euphemisms in this article are no longer holding weight in the debate.

As long as Christians stay active in holding to the humanness of the unborn child, this battle can and will be won.

I was at a conference this weekend, and a doctor there was talking about an area of abortion we don't often hear about. That is the fact that the definition of human life was changed in most medical dictionaries between 1995 and 1999, from conception, to when the embryo is implanted in the uterus, about 5 days after conception. That way, the FDA has allowed the so called "Morning After" pill to say, "This pill does not destroy a human life!"

Industry and Big Pharma is a big part of the abortion industry. We need to boycott these companies that sell these abortion drugs. I don't have any information on who they are, but if anyone does, I would love to see it posted, and make some of my medication decisions based on that knowledge.
 
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Cairparavel

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another thing that is just as upsetting is that human traffickers probably force this "morning after" pill on their child prostitutes all the time at their convenience. There are not too many restrictions for someone under 18 getting one, at least not in my state.
 
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Cairparavel said:
The lies people are being fed are getting to be more and more fierce. I'm sure you have all heard the pro-choice arguments before, but they way they state their views as "fact" is even more upsetting. Like a fetus feeling any pain is fake science, etc.

The way the world is going makes me want to cry every day. Here is the link, but beware it's very sad and sickening the way it's presented. I just wanted people to be aware of how bad it is and how forceful these people are. The article is titled: 6 abortion myths debunked.

6 Abortion Myths Debunked — Everyday Feminism
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There are so many things wrong with this article.

1. A baby and a fetus not being the same thing is irrelevant to it being a human being. This is a straw man argument.

2. You are also not just removing a part of your body when you have an abortion, since the DNA of the fetus differs from that of the mother's. This is the source for complications in some pregnancies, because the mother's immune system comes in contact with the fetus and recognizes it as a foreign body.

3. Paying for an abortion is difficult? Paying $441-$3500 would be difficult for someone who is poor I guess. But Planned Parenthood offers abortion services for $1700 max last time I checked.

4. The poorest people cannot get funding for abortions? And hospitals would not demand that the poorest people be evicted from their homes to pay medical bills. There are laws in place to protect people from selling everything they own to pay for medical procedures that are a necessity. Abortion often times is not a necessity. I know a man who is steeped in debt from medical bills and still decided to buy a vehicle. Interest is also not charged on medical bills. But if you can you are supposed to pay an agreed upon sum every month. Essentially, laws regarding the need to pay medical bills are rather lax.

5. Whether or not there is a post-abortion syndrome has no bearing on whether or not people experience grief after an abortion. This is another straw man argument.

6. The article seems to argue that abortion is not wrong because most people feel that it is okay. It then goes on to list the argument of one woman who tries to rationalize her decision to kill her progeny. The woman makes a secular attempt at prophecy to predict what life the baby would have in the future and therefore claims that killing it was a more merciful option than giving it life.

So contrary to making me want to cry, it almost made me laugh.
 
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I think this just goes to show how the democratic process is only as good as the demos. If the demos (i.e. the People) make decisions based on half-brained arguments infused with emotion, then their society's laws will reflect those decisions. There really is nothing any rational person can do to combat this, because people have already given up on rationalization, attempting instead to demonize it. To reference one of the great predictive films of our age,

Finally Joe gave up on logic and reason and simply told them that he could talk to plants and they told him that they wanted water.
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Well, to bring in some optimism, every new study about this topic shows that younger people tend to be more pro-life.
 
TheAristocat

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Well, to bring in some optimism, every new study about this topic shows that younger people tend to be more pro-life.
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That would be very impressive. And the future would be very beautiful without abortion being as rampant as it is today. If this is true it is uplifting that people are listening to reason.
 
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I wrote this a month ago, on a question people had on abortion. It came to mind when I read this. I felt like sharing the perspective some people don't consider, and that is the impact of a life unexpressed.

A "prevention of life" is to fit the model of "survival of the fittest", except to say, that you didn't give them a chance. How can you have such a belief in evolution and yet deny the evolutionary process to take place? If you kill it, before it even has a chance to express itself, are you really holding true to such a belief system? How is one to survive when you have taken from it life?

People care about abortion for many reasons, but one that may not hit the mind of people, is that of a life unexpressed. That is to say, what if all the great inventors of history had been aborted? Where would society be in this day and age? Where would progress be and how fast would it be moving? To abort, is to steal not only the life of a child, a human being, but to also kill the impact they will have on the lives of others.

 
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BenFTW said:
I wrote this a month ago, on a question people had on abortion. It came to mind when I read this. I felt like sharing the perspective some people don't consider, and that is the impact of a life unexpressed.

A "prevention of life" is to fit the model of "survival of the fittest", except to say, that you didn't give them a chance. How can you have such a belief in evolution and yet deny the evolutionary process to take place? If you kill it, before it even has a chance to express itself, are you really holding true to such a belief system? How is one to survive when you have taken from it life?

People care about abortion for many reasons, but one that may not hit the mind of people, is that of a life unexpressed. That is to say, what if all the great inventors of history had been aborted? Where would society be in this day and age? Where would progress be and how fast would it be moving? To abort, is to steal not only the life of a child, a human being, but to also kill the impact they will have on the lives of others.
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i've had that same thought a million times. everyone deserves a shot at life, right?
 
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Cairparavel said:
The lies people are being fed are getting to be more and more fierce. I'm sure you have all heard the pro-choice arguments before, but they way they state their views as "fact" is even more upsetting. Like a fetus feeling any pain is fake science, etc.

The way the world is going makes me want to cry every day. Here is the link, but beware it's very sad and sickening the way it's presented. I just wanted people to be aware of how bad it is and how forceful these people are. The article is titled: 6 abortion myths debunked.

6 Abortion Myths Debunked — Everyday Feminism
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Since I am not a woman, I now try to remain neutral on the abortion issue.

However, in reading this article I must say it did sound like a bunch of pro-choice propaganda haha

I will add a quick scenario for you to think about though:

Imagine a 2 yr old who has been diagnosed with a serious medical condition and needs an immediate kidney transplant. The only suitable donor is the child's mother. Without the mother's kidney the 2-yr old will die, is it right to force the mother to donate her kidney? Does the mother have the right to decline the transplant?
Is an unborn baby totally dependent on the mother any different than this 2-yr old?
 
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News Flash!! The world falsifies what murder of babies is, what sex is, what family is, and what makes up a family. Beware!
 
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Sick I'm a democrat but very LOUD AND PROUD PRO LIFE.
 
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If we who are against abortion are considered 'pro life' then those who support it should be called 'pro death' not the ear tingling pro choice.
 
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I think 'pro-lifers' should call themselves 'anti-baby murder' people. Why do you have to have a 'positive' sounding name if you are just opposing murder?
 
TheAristocat

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presidente said:
I think 'pro-lifers' should call themselves 'anti-baby murder' people. Why do you have to have a 'positive' sounding name if you are just opposing murder?
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I agree. We shouldn't have to specify. "I'm pro-not-killing-people." Oh, really? Never heard of that before. Sounds pretty radical.
 
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doseofreality said:
Since I am not a woman, I now try to remain neutral on the abortion issue.

However, in reading this article I must say it did sound like a bunch of pro-choice propaganda haha

I will add a quick scenario for you to think about though:

Imagine a 2 yr old who has been diagnosed with a serious medical condition and needs an immediate kidney transplant. The only suitable donor is the child's mother. Without the mother's kidney the 2-yr old will die, is it right to force the mother to donate her kidney? Does the mother have the right to decline the transplant?
Is an unborn baby totally dependent on the mother any different than this 2-yr old?
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Well constructed argument...then again I would expect nothing less from someone who cites Euler's identity equation...God Bless! Will
 
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Things are very strange....most pro-abortion people are big animal activists. They've put sanctity of animal life over human life. Satan has done his work very well.
 
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