Is there such a thing as an atheist?

[Spokenpassage]

The bible isn't evidence for a claim.

The bible IS the claim.


Shall we try again?

Actually what I posted from the bible confirms the reality. Can you please try to discount what I posted?

Prove to me that God didn't create the heavens and the earth?

Prove to me that God didn't give man a conscience? Does man even have a conscience?

Please talk amongst yourself to discount and refute everything I posted with legit answers

 

[deepthought]

Come on brother. That is not an answer to any part of my post.

 

[Spokenpassage]

Come on brother. That is not an answer to any part of my post.

No I am perfectly answering your previous post. Now it's my turn, please show me solid evidence that God doesn't exist? I have shown my evidence by what the bible says.

Again the bible confirms the reality. Unless you can refute the points I made, my points are still proven is it not? It's by your own belief that you reject what I have presented.

 

[IntoTheVoid]

SpokenpassageYour the one making the claim, the burden of proof lies solely with you.

The reason I don't believe it is because there is NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT.

I don't disbelieve because I have proof that rejects your claim, I disbelief because there is no evidence to back up your claim.

 

[Spokenpassage]

SpokenpassageYour the one making the claim, the burden of proof lies solely with you.

The reason I don't believe it is because there is NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT.

I don't disbelieve because I have proof that rejects your claim, I disbelief because there is no evidence to back up your claim.

Intothevoid...I SHOWED YOU EVIDENCE IN MY CLAIM...

So please show some evidence in your claim? Show me something in nature that disproves God. Show me something that's in science that denies a Creator. You cannot find one, even as a claim. I have shown my evidence that through these things.

Conclusion: there is more evidence for the claim of God, than there is otherwise.

 

[deepthought]

Actually what I posted from the bible confirms the reality. Can you please try to discount what I posted?

Prove to me that God didn't create the heavens and the earth?

Prove to me that God didn't give man a conscience? Does man even have a conscience?

Please talk amongst yourself to discount and refute everything I posted with legit answers

Please see my post on the scale of the "observable" universe. Than ask yourself. Is it logical even by the words of your book.

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We are aware of a very minute part of the world around us without the use of technology. From physical evidence I say that it developed over eons. I would say that people have an over inflated sense of importance in the universe but that is a theist issue in general

We can watch the creation of galaxies, stars and planets through our telescopes. Are we seeing God in action thousands of years ago? In that case it is really taking a lot more than 6 days!

In the words of my Welsh Brethren, the Manic Street Preachers, This is my Truth, Tell Me Yours.

 

[IntoTheVoid]

Intothevoid...I SHOWED YOU EVIDENCE IN MY CLAIM...

So please show some evidence in your claim? Show me something in nature that disproves God. Show me something that's in science that denies a Creator. You cannot find one, even as a claim. I have shown my evidence that through these things.

Conclusion: there is more evidence for the claim of God, than there is otherwise.

No. All you have is an ancient book that says "God did it"


You still have no evidence whatsoever. Just a baseless claim.

 

[deepthought]

No I am perfectly answering your previous post. Now it's my turn, please show me solid evidence that God doesn't exist? I have shown my evidence by what the bible says.

Again the bible confirms the reality. Unless you can refute the points I made, my points are still proven is it not? It's by your own belief that you reject what I have presented.

A Couple of Years Ago. Derren Brown hosted a program where he 'Predicted' the lottery numbers. But for legal reasons, he couldn't show the numbers until after the draw. Which he did a couple of minutes later. Showing the numbers after the draw was not nearly as impressive than if had done it before. But it was all a trick. That's what he does. The texts which make up the bible were written AFTER the events which occurred. If I describe teh current state of the world today it is a subjective journal. The world from my opinion. Even if the biblical texts were 100% accurate which we can not say, they were written by the flawed man. There is NO evidence they were influenced by an all powerful deity.

Personally. I have the opinion that if people ever went back in time and met the man known as Jesus, they would have a bit of a shock.

 

[Spokenpassage]

Please see my post on the scale of the "observable" universe. Than ask yourself. Is it logical even by the words of your book.

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We are aware of a very minute part of the world around us without the use of technology. From physical evidence I say that it developed over eons. I would say that people have an over inflated sense of importance in the universe but that is a theist issue in general

We can watch the creation of galaxies, stars and planets through our telescopes. Are we seeing God in action thousands of years ago? In that case it is really taking a lot more than 6 days!

In the words of my Welsh Brethren, the Manic Street Preachers, This is my Truth, Tell Me Yours.

Your conclusion tells me you believe the supernatural which I am surprised. By the way, you believe "something" is creating the universe am I right? If you are seeing things created, which I don't find true at all, but even if you did is your conclusion that the universe is god?

See now you are not consistent with your atheistic views...

 

[Spokenpassage]

No. All you have is an ancient book that says "God did it"


You still have no evidence whatsoever. Just a baseless claim.

Actually no, again..

I presented my claim: The bible
Evidence: Everything

Now please refute my claim in using my evidence.

 

[IntoTheVoid]

Lol spoken passage. I don't know if your aware... But genesis was written AFTER the earth was created. So the fact that the earth was there before genesis was written is not proof of a book written in hindsight.

Also written with a poor understanding of our universe and natures laws.

Your still holding an empty sack.

 

[Jda016]

I have posted many times about what athiests would think of several specific passages of verifiable fulfilled Biblical prophecy. It always is ignored. That is because it is not debatable. It was written thousands of years ago in Ezekiel and is fulfilled in Israel becoming a nation once again, in the same land, under one ruler. That is just one verifiable prophecy fulfilled.

But athiests will simply call it a coincidence.

The vocal athiests here are not here because they are seeking to know God, they are here for the debate. It is simply fun for you guys, like an intellectual exercise. You have already rejected God, so what is the point in arguing with you? If you have legitimate questions that seek legitimate answers, so be it. But don't expect the answers you get to be acceptable when you don't even believe God exists.

 

[IntoTheVoid]

I have posted many times about what athiests would think of several specific passages of verifiable fulfilled Biblical prophecy. It always is ignored. That is because it is not debatable. It was written thousands of years ago in Ezekiel and is fulfilled in Israel becoming a nation once again, in the same land, under one ruler. That is just one verifiable prophecy fulfilled.

But athiests will simply call it a coincidence.

The vocal athiests here are not here because they are seeking to know God, they are here for the debate. It is simply fun for you guys, like an intellectual exercise. You have already rejected God, so what is the point in arguing with you? If you have legitimate questions that seek legitimate answers, so be it. But don't expect the answers you get to be acceptable when you don't even believe God exists.

Prophecy fulfilled later in the bible is not a peophecy. All it shows is that who ever wrote the latter book had read the earlier one.

 

[deepthought]

Your conclusion tells me you believe the supernatural which I am surprised. By the way, you believe "something" is creating the universe am I right? If you are seeing things created, which I don't find true at all, but even if you did is your conclusion that the universe is god?

See now you are not consistent with your atheistic views...

Ah. So the old gravity is god play. Well I will agree that gravity is a universal constant that we don't fully understand. As is quantum theory. Just out of curiosity how much do you understand of these theories? There are scientific models which we now use to correctly predict the behaviour of gravity in objects both vast to quantum. We see how mass influences gravity. Thanks to the science around the Higgs Field, we now start to see how objects gain mass. We can then see how matter can be affected by gravity, object drawing together in predictable fashions. So I'm afraid I don't see the intelligence here you apply to God. The universe exhibits creation and destruction on a scale beyond your perception. This is al natural. Not supernatural. Do we understand it all yet. Of course not. That's why we keep trying to understand. 20 years objects had mass because god deemed they did. Now we have the Higgs Field Proven.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying there is 100% not anything which resembles a God. But the odds against are mathematically enormous. That's where I understand.

When you remove the impossible,
whatever remains, however improbable,
must be the truth.

A.Conan-Doyle

Actually no, again..

I presented my claim: The bible
Evidence: Everything

Now please refute my claim in using my evidence.

 

[Spokenpassage]

Lol spoken passage. I don't know if your aware... But genesis was written AFTER the earth was created. So the fact that the earth was there before genesis was written is not proof of a book written in hindsight.

Also written with a poor understanding of our universe and natures laws.

Your still holding an empty sack.

I see that you haven't attempted to use natural existence to disprove God.

We can discuss about a historical book in its writings later, because from the verse I used Romans 1:20 tells us that everything made reveals God to an extent. The bible reveals more of who this mysterious Creator is. The bible was written for common man to read, not a rocket scientist lol.

I got to go to the store, I'll chat with you guys later.

While I'm going please take into consideration what I have stated.

 

[IntoTheVoid]

I'm not attempting to disprove anything.

I'm stating that your claims have no evidence. A book is not evidence. If it was then you'd have to hold every other religious text or any other book in the same regard. They all make equally as bold claims as yours.

The Claim: The Qur'an
The Evidence: Everything

The Claim: The Big Book of Science
The Evidence: Everything

The Claim: The Bible
The Evidence: Everything


By your logic... All three claims have equal entitlement to the 'truth'... Because they all wrote about Something and gave a version of events about something after the fact.

What evidence suggests that your book is more valid than the others?

 

[Spokenpassage]

I'm not attempting to disprove anything.

I'm stating that your claims have no evidence. A book is not evidence. If it was then you'd have to hold every other religious text or any other book in the same regard. They all make equally as bold claims as yours.

The Claim: The Qur'an
The Evidence: Everything

The Claim: The Big Book of Science
The Evidence: Everything

The Claim: The Bible
The Evidence: Everything


By your logic... All three claims have equal entitlement to the 'truth'... Because they all wrote about Something and gave a version of events about something after the fact.

What evidence suggests that your book is more valid than the others?

Well now, we are talking about the existence of God. Now if you want to talk about the truth of God, we can go back to what I posted in the past. Like I said lol Christianity was an influence to Islam. If you read in one of my posts, Jesus told us that many false prophets have gone out in the world. If they aren't consistent to the truth, then they are false.

 

[deepthought]

Well now, we are talking about the existence of God. Now if you want to talk about the truth of God, we can go back to what I posted in the past. Like I said lol Christianity was an influence to Islam. If you read in one of my posts, Jesus told us that many false prophets have gone out in the world. If they aren't consistent to the truth, then they are false.

I think void is saying that you use the claims of the bible as proof of your claims. But where is the proof around the claims in the bible. Not the ordinary, but the supernatural. Otherwise, as I stated earlier, what's to stop any work of fiction being claimed to be true. e.g. The DaVinci Code?

 

[IntoTheVoid]

Well now, we are talking about the existence of God. Now if you want to talk about the truth of God, we can go back to what I posted in the past. Like I said lol Christianity was an influence to Islam. If you read in one of my posts, Jesus told us that many false prophets have gone out in the world. If they aren't consistent to the truth, then they are false.

All of which are claims in the bible.

Why does your book hold more water than any other book? Why should your book be believed over any other book?

 

[Spokenpassage]

I think void is saying that you use the claims of the bible as proof of your claims. But where is the proof around the claims in the bible. Not the ordinary, but the supernatural. Otherwise, as I stated earlier, what's to stop any work of fiction being claimed to be true. e.g. The DaVinci Code?

No, the bible speaks of one truth. If any book, any writings, anything that is not consistent to the truth, it is disregarded. That's how the apocryphal, non canonical, and other writings are not incorporated in the bible (unless of course you are Catholic or Orthodox).