How are people made Righteous ?
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Am sort of in shock here SeaBass. 
How much clearer can it get? "For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God." no ifs ands or buts. All have sinned. The only ONE Who has not sinned is God.
Not everyone is going to be saved because everyone is not going to accept Jesus Christ. We ALL were born into a sinful race. We are guilty by association with Adam- basically.
No one can work their way out of that.
So yes SeaBass we were sinners before we were even born. AND while u were in your mothers womb.,you were the son of a sinner and born a sinner. (we all came on planet earth that way) It's bad news.
BUT here's the GOOD NEWS! Jesus came and we are made righteous by association sort of speak (IF) we accept Him as our only Saviour.,,the ONLY Mediator between God and man... the man Christ Jesus. His finished work saves us, not our pathetic attempts at goodness.
If you do not believe you are a sinner in need of a Saviour then you are lost in sin and will have to pay the price yourself. And the Bible says "all your righteousnesses are as filthy rags." "There is none that does good, no not one." Please do not try and work your way into God's good graces SeaBass. He already said it can't be done. So He sent Jesus.
We are not saved on THEY INSTALLMENT PLAN. Jesus sacrafice was enough to save us. He doesn't need our help in redemption's story.
The Bible says that all who come to Jesus He will in no way cast them out. He offers salvation to all. But not all will accept. Not sure why you r saying to me "Christ did not die for just some mythical calvinistic elect" I have been saying all along Jesus died for sinners. Of who Paul said "I am chief" All of us are affected by sin...we are DOOMED. That is very affected.
How much clearer can it get? "For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God." no ifs ands or buts. All have sinned. The only ONE Who has not sinned is God. Not everyone is going to be saved because everyone is not going to accept Jesus Christ. We ALL were born into a sinful race. We are guilty by association with Adam- basically.
No one can work their way out of that.
So yes SeaBass we were sinners before we were even born. AND while u were in your mothers womb.,you were the son of a sinner and born a sinner. (we all came on planet earth that way) It's bad news.
BUT here's the GOOD NEWS! Jesus came and we are made righteous by association sort of speak (IF) we accept Him as our only Saviour.,,the ONLY Mediator between God and man... the man Christ Jesus. His finished work saves us, not our pathetic attempts at goodness.
If you do not believe you are a sinner in need of a Saviour then you are lost in sin and will have to pay the price yourself. And the Bible says "all your righteousnesses are as filthy rags." "There is none that does good, no not one." Please do not try and work your way into God's good graces SeaBass. He already said it can't be done. So He sent Jesus.
We are not saved on THEY INSTALLMENT PLAN. Jesus sacrafice was enough to save us. He doesn't need our help in redemption's story.
The Bible says that all who come to Jesus He will in no way cast them out. He offers salvation to all. But not all will accept. Not sure why you r saying to me "Christ did not die for just some mythical calvinistic elect" I have been saying all along Jesus died for sinners. Of who Paul said "I am chief" All of us are affected by sin...we are DOOMED. That is very affected.
Therefore:
... if it is true when you have many unconditionally made sinners, then it is also true that same many will unconditionally be made righteous. The verse does not allow you to have many made UNCONDITONALLY sinners but CONDITIONALLY righteous.
John said sin is transgression of the law. So no one is a sinner until he transgresses the law. What law has a newly conceived person transgressed to be a sinner? Lie? Steal? Murder? Adultery? Idolatry?
Who is this WE Kerry? There are TWO types of children born.... Holy and unholy.... Is there a differane between the two types of children? I mean God says so specifically in 1 Cor 7... Please not the two grops of children and explain what is unclean children and holy children.
1 Cor 7:14.... For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
John the Baptist could NEVER have had a sinning nature (John not as Elijah, as John)..... He was FILLED with the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb, and neither did Jesus have a sinning nature EVER for the SAME reason. Only Spirit in BOTH these babies were the Spirit of God... the Holy Spirit. And to His fulness from birth.
On the OP... How are People made righteous? ... It is by the obedience of Christ Jesus, but He is the REASON not the METHOD. It is with the FILLING OF HIS SPIRIT that the righteousness manifest in the one being made righteous.... God calls it HIS SEED.
1 JOhn3:9... these are the righteous ones.... Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
And how rightoues are they.... 1 JOhn 3:7... Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Made so by the SEED of God / the BORN OF GOD with the SEED OF GOD IN HIM... WOW!!! That is what the obedience of Christ does for us. Christ is STILL obedient, in ALL RIGHTEOUS MEN! He is the SEED of God in all righteous men.
1 Cor 7:14.... For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
John the Baptist could NEVER have had a sinning nature (John not as Elijah, as John)..... He was FILLED with the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb, and neither did Jesus have a sinning nature EVER for the SAME reason. Only Spirit in BOTH these babies were the Spirit of God... the Holy Spirit. And to His fulness from birth.
On the OP... How are People made righteous? ... It is by the obedience of Christ Jesus, but He is the REASON not the METHOD. It is with the FILLING OF HIS SPIRIT that the righteousness manifest in the one being made righteous.... God calls it HIS SEED.
1 JOhn3:9... these are the righteous ones.... Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
And how rightoues are they.... 1 JOhn 3:7... Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Made so by the SEED of God / the BORN OF GOD with the SEED OF GOD IN HIM... WOW!!! That is what the obedience of Christ does for us. Christ is STILL obedient, in ALL RIGHTEOUS MEN! He is the SEED of God in all righteous men.
How are people made Righteous ? 2
Those whom shall be made Righteous by the sole obedience of Christ Rom 5:19, must also already have had Christ's Righteousness imputed to them because God cannot and will not declare any sinner Righteous without already having charged to their account a Perfect Righteousness !
Those whom shall be made Righteous by the sole obedience of Christ Rom 5:19, must also already have had Christ's Righteousness imputed to them because God cannot and will not declare any sinner Righteous without already having charged to their account a Perfect Righteousness !
Made Sinners and Made Righteous !
Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Now what does this mean, that by one man's sin or disobedience many were made made sinners ? and likewise by obeidnece of one man many shall be made Righteous .
Its like this, both Adam and Christ acted as Heads / Represenatives to their descendants in them by the purpose of God. Let it be clear now, both Heads only stood as Heads of the Elect of God, the Church, Adam as their Natural Head in the flesh, and Christ as their Spiritual Head. Now by the disobedience of Adam, their Natural head, all the descendants as an consequence do partake of a depraved nature, meaning that was the effect of his transgression, his natural descendants are born with a nature that is at enmity with God, one that opposes God and not submitted to God and they are seen to be practicing sinners.
But now, by the obedience of Christ, also acting as the Head and Represenative of the same ones, The Church, His Body, and His descendants Isa 53:10, and as a effect or consequence of it, His Obedience, those descendants of His Partake of a Holy Divine Nature that reconciles them to God 2 Pet 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature [New Birth], having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
When the Church sinned in Adam, that act became legally theirs and so a nature was given to correspond, but when the Church obeyed in Christ, that Obedience became legally theirs, and a Nature is given in correspondence , and so made actively Righteous !496
Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Now what does this mean, that by one man's sin or disobedience many were made made sinners ? and likewise by obeidnece of one man many shall be made Righteous .
Its like this, both Adam and Christ acted as Heads / Represenatives to their descendants in them by the purpose of God. Let it be clear now, both Heads only stood as Heads of the Elect of God, the Church, Adam as their Natural Head in the flesh, and Christ as their Spiritual Head. Now by the disobedience of Adam, their Natural head, all the descendants as an consequence do partake of a depraved nature, meaning that was the effect of his transgression, his natural descendants are born with a nature that is at enmity with God, one that opposes God and not submitted to God and they are seen to be practicing sinners.
But now, by the obedience of Christ, also acting as the Head and Represenative of the same ones, The Church, His Body, and His descendants Isa 53:10, and as a effect or consequence of it, His Obedience, those descendants of His Partake of a Holy Divine Nature that reconciles them to God 2 Pet 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature [New Birth], having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
When the Church sinned in Adam, that act became legally theirs and so a nature was given to correspond, but when the Church obeyed in Christ, that Obedience became legally theirs, and a Nature is given in correspondence , and so made actively Righteous !496
[h=3]1 Corinthians 7:14[/h]New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.
Ok how does one become righteous well that is a very good question worthy of a very good answer.. people who strive for
righteousness also forgive the wife or husband, and through that the house is sanctified,, as the above scripture says if there is just one believer in the house the house is cleaned, Now lets take a marriage in to being united with Christ. if you love Christ you will not harm him by making him sad and doing wrong, just like if you love your wife you will not commit adultery. so the message because some loves you that does not give you the right to take advantage,,it should always be the other round you should always never take advantage because you love them.. sadly though some people do not know how to love, but there is one in the house who does Jesus, ,, so if you think you are wise enough to be righteous your self,,, well the bible say your better of being a fool if that is the case,, amen
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.
Ok how does one become righteous well that is a very good question worthy of a very good answer.. people who strive for
righteousness also forgive the wife or husband, and through that the house is sanctified,, as the above scripture says if there is just one believer in the house the house is cleaned, Now lets take a marriage in to being united with Christ. if you love Christ you will not harm him by making him sad and doing wrong, just like if you love your wife you will not commit adultery. so the message because some loves you that does not give you the right to take advantage,,it should always be the other round you should always never take advantage because you love them.. sadly though some people do not know how to love, but there is one in the house who does Jesus, ,, so if you think you are wise enough to be righteous your self,,, well the bible say your better of being a fool if that is the case,, amen
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Cobus, I love you brother and you believe what you believe, but I am glad that attribute your salvation to the cross. I do not wish to mis guide ( not that I am a guide) in any way. Look to the word of God as your source and if you would examine Romans Chap 7 closely and deeply, you just mind find something different than what you have been taught. In Romans, the law of the sin nature and the law of the Spirit is defined and if you will look with an opened mind and heart, you just might see the light. I do not deny that you love God and are thankful for the cross, But I pray that you may see it in a knew light.
May God bless you Cobus.
In Christ.
May God bless you Cobus.
In Christ.
How are people made Righteous ? 2
Those whom shall be made Righteous by the sole obedience of Christ Rom 5:19, must also already have had Christ's Righteousness imputed to them because God cannot and will not declare any sinner Righteous without already having charged to their account a Perfect Righteousness !
Those whom shall be made Righteous by the sole obedience of Christ Rom 5:19, must also already have had Christ's Righteousness imputed to them because God cannot and will not declare any sinner Righteous without already having charged to their account a Perfect Righteousness !