Happy Easter; thoughts on Political Correctness?

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Ludwik

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Seems to be a spillover from 'minority rights' days. So now if just one or two persons (truly a minority) get 'offended', the bleeding hearts bend over backwards to accommodate 'their sensitivities', not realizing they are now offending the majority.
The other angle is that 'political agenda' types are usually without a sense of humor and begin majoring in the minors.
 
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gb9

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well, here is the thing: though it is not written down anywhere, people have been suing and winning over the right not to be offended. there is not a law anywhere on the books about this, but somehow it keeps getting rulings in its favor. there is no right to not be offended. the left has created it.
 
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MarkMulder

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Pagan or not, I want a good old EASTER FIRE! :D

 
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Its only a true easter fire if the sacrifice is a virgin....is there documentation?
 
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I have news for people. The separation of church and state does not mean there can be no expression of religion on public government grounds. Our forefathers came to America for religious freedom from a country that had a state sanctioned religion. What this means is they did not want U.S. citizens to have to be forced to worship a specific Christianity, Muslim, pagan, or Jewish religion but rather have the freedom to practice their religious beliefs.
Actually, our founding fathers didn't want the government to endorse any religion.

I guess the real question we should ask is this: Is the Easter bunny a religious symbol? Or has it become secular?

I personally view the Easter Bunny as secular, so I honestly wouldn't have a problem seeing it in government buildings or outside of government buildings.

It's not about whether or not someone is offended - it's about abiding by the first amendment.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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As Kevin Cain J.D. states:

"The First Amendment was designed to prevent the government from joining forces with a particular religious organization as a government-endorsed religion. This can be seen in the original proposed draft of the First Amendment submitted by Madison. “The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed” (Wallace v. Jaffree, 1985, emp. added).

“[Madison’s] original language ‘nor shall any national religion be established’ obviously does not conform to the ‘wall of separation’ between church and State idea which latter-day commentators have ascribed to him” (Wallace v. Jaffree, 1985). Ironically, when the original draft of the First Amendment was later revised and debated in the House on August 15, 1789, Representative Peter Sylvester of New York expressed his dislike for the revised version, because it might have a tendency “to abolish religion altogether” (Wallace v. Jaffree, 1985).

However, Madison stated during this debate that “he apprehended the meaning of the words to be, that Congress should not establish a religion, and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contrary to their conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to conform” (Annals of Congress, 1789, 1:758). While the Supreme Court has never adopted this interpretation of the Establishment Clause, this is the exact meaning articulated by its own author, James Madison.

After reviewing this same historical context of the Establishment Clause, Chief Justice Rehnquist concluded:

It seems indisputable from these glimpses of Madison’s thinking, as reflected by actions on the floor of the House in 1789, that he saw the Amendment as designed to prohibit the establishment of a national religion, and perhaps to prevent discrimination among sects. He did not see it as requiring neutrality on the part of government between religion and irreligion (Wallace v. Jaffree, 1985).

Apologetics Press - Deconstructing the Establishment Clause


Actually, our founding fathers didn't want the government to endorse any religion.

I guess the real question we should ask is this: Is the Easter bunny a religious symbol? Or has it become secular?

I personally view the Easter Bunny as secular, so I honestly wouldn't have a problem seeing it in government buildings or outside of government buildings.

It's not about whether or not someone is offended - it's about abiding by the first amendment.
 

Ludwik

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Son in me I was not implying that Easter was a pagan holiday...Not looking at my post now..I see the nope by itself. I was saying to convert pagans some of the customs for their pagan spring fest bled into Easter later on to make it easier to convert them to Christianity. I am too tired this evening. That's what I was trying to say...I guess I will revisit my post again later!
 

Ludwik

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Percepi I agree! There is no official religion in the U.S. country itself. Meaning just like some countries have a national language, some declare a particular religion the state religion. The United States does not do that...Hence the freedom and various beliefs.
Actually, our founding fathers didn't want the government to endorse any religion.

I guess the real question we should ask is this: Is the Easter bunny a religious symbol? Or has it become secular?

I personally view the Easter Bunny as secular, so I honestly wouldn't have a problem seeing it in government buildings or outside of government buildings.

It's not about whether or not someone is offended - it's about abiding by the first amendment.
 

crossnote

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Personally I think the bunny is a conspiracy to sneak in Buddhism into the White House and pacify them all...


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Son in me I was not implying that Easter was a pagan holiday...Not looking at my post now..I see the nope by itself. I was saying to convert pagans some of the customs for their pagan spring fest bled into Easter later on to make it easier to convert them to Christianity. I am too tired this evening. That's what I was trying to say...I guess I will revisit my post again later!
As those sites I posted prove, there was no pagan ties to easter, at all, in any form or way. Its a good read.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Easter (in Gk. pascha, which also means Passover). The earliest and greatest annual festival of the Christian calendar. On the basis of the evidence quoted by Eusebius (EH 4.24.1–8), its existence can certainly be traced back to the time of Anicetus and Polycarp (c. 155) and probably to the time of the birth of Polycrates (c. 125). The reference in Epistle of the Apostles 15 may also date from c. 125. It is likely that the festival arose at Antioch c. 110, out of the weekly commemoration of Christ’s resurrection on Sunday, the intention being to give special prominence to that Sunday which fell nearest to the actual season of the resurrection, i.e. the Sunday next after the Jewish Passover on 14 Nisan.

In the 2nd century, the small province of Asia observed Easter on 14 Nisan itself, whereas virtually the whole of the Christian world outside observed it on the Sunday following, and this has given rise to an alternative explanation of the origin of Easter. It has been supposed, notably by B. Lohse, that the practice of the province of Asia was the original Christian practice, and was a continuation of the observance of the Passover itself by Jewish Christians in NT times. However, it is very hard to understand why Jewish-Christian practice should have been preserved in Asia (a largely Gentile area, evangelized by the author of Col. 2:16–17 and Gal. 4:9–11) but not in Palestine or Syria (where there were more Jews than anywhere else, and where Jewish Christianity had its centre). So it is better to see the practice of Asia as presupposing the existence of Easter Sunday, and as an attempt to achieve greater precision than the rest of the Christian world, by transferring Easter from the Sunday after the Passover to the Passover itself. There is no evidence, incidentally, for the hypothesis that the church of Asia was celebrating Christ’s death and the rest of the church his resurrection. The ancient Easter day celebrated both events (the separate Good Friday first appears in the 4th century).

The practice of Asia gave rise to an internal controversy between Melito and Claudius Apollinaris (c. 150–60) and to the world-wide Quartodeciman (‘about the fourteenth’) controversy (c. 190) in which the non-Asian view prevailed. Up to this point, all Christians dated Easter by following the decision made each year by the Jews about the Passover, which was still being fixed by observation; so they kept Easter either on the Sunday following the Jewish festival or (in Asia) on the actual Jewish festival day. However, since this dependence aroused Jewish mockery, in the 3rd century Christians began to fix Easter independently, by astronomical calculation. The problem they faced was to reconcile the Jewish lunar year with the standard solar year of the Roman Empire. For this purpose the Roman church used a doubled 8-year cycle, and later an 84-year cycle, while the Alexandrian church used the Metonic cycle of 19 years, which was the most accurate of the three, and ultimately prevailed everywhere. In the meantime, however, the second great Easter controversy arose, between those who had begun to fix Easter astronomically, and those who continued to be guided by Jewish practice, and to hold it on the Sunday after the Passover. This controversy (often confused with the Quartodeciman, causing Quartodecimanism to be thought more lasting and widespread than it was) was resolved in principle by the Council of Nicaea in 325, the decision being in favour of the new method. The dissidents this time were not the church of Asia but the churches of Syria, Cilicia and Mesopotamia.

The subsequent Easter controversies arose from the different methods of calculating Easter. The 7th-century controversy over the Celtic Easter was due to the Celtic churches having retained the 84-year cycle after Rome had abandoned it. The controversy extending from the 16th century to our own day over the Julian and Gregorian calendars is due to the slight but accumulating inaccuracy in the Roman solar year, as established by Julius Caesar. By 1582 this had become significant enough for Pope Gregory XIII to have it corrected, but churches out of communion with Rome were naturally slow in adopting his reform. It was not adopted in England until 1752, when new Easter tables were introduced into the Book of Common Prayer; many of the Eastern churches have still not adopted it. Since Easter is a movable festival, related to the moon, it coincides in the Julian and Gregorian calendars about once every three years; but the fixed festivals, such as Christmas, now fall thirteen days later in the Julian calendar than in the Gregorian. The modern secular concept of a fixed Easter, which would mean abandoning the Jewish lunar year altogether, has met with some degree of favour in the Western churches but none in the Eastern, where the only interest is in an agreed Easter.

Already in the 2nd century the Easter celebrations were being continued over the following seven weeks, and a preparatory period of one or more days of fasting (the ultimate source of the later Lent) was also being added. The uniquely early origin of Easter, the scale of its celebrations, and the heat with which its date was debated, all bear witness to the unrivalled importance of Christ’s death and resurrection (the actual fulfilment of the ancient pascha) in primitive Christian thinking.

Bibliography

R. T. Beckwith, ‘The Origin of the Festivals Easter and Whitsun’, SL 13 (1979), pp. 1–20; J. G. Davies, Holy Week (London, 1963); A. A. McArthur, The Evolution of the Christian Year (London, 1953); T. Talley, ‘Liturgical Times in the Ancient Church: the State of Research’, SL 14 (1982), pp. 34–51.
 

Ludwik

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Son I know that...you are misunderstanding me. Their customs dealt with a pagan celebration. But what the use...I am beating a dead horse.

There would be no Easter without Christ's resurrection.

As those sites I posted prove, there was no pagan ties to easter, at all, in any form or way. Its a good read.
 
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MarkMulder

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...shouldn't we arguing about the pagan origins of Christmas by now? :rolleyes:
 
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Barney IS pagan.....

and spongebob