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If some resist His name, I do not think they will be able to grasp Hallelujah.
If they were to read the quotes from the Old Testament that are in the New about our Saviour many times the reference to Him is Yahweh, such as when John repeated the prophesy of his preparing the way for the Lord. Lord there from the source of the quote is Yahweh.
I am just receiving the impact of this because of my Hebrew study of the Old and New Testaments, or the Tanakh and HaBrit HaHadasha. It is a wonderful experience, and unlike others who do not need to be hit over the head with a mallet (they have no need of studying Hebrew), I get it from the study of Hebrew.
Praise God, rather Hallelujah! amen.
If they were to read the quotes from the Old Testament that are in the New about our Saviour many times the reference to Him is Yahweh, such as when John repeated the prophesy of his preparing the way for the Lord. Lord there from the source of the quote is Yahweh.
I am just receiving the impact of this because of my Hebrew study of the Old and New Testaments, or the Tanakh and HaBrit HaHadasha. It is a wonderful experience, and unlike others who do not need to be hit over the head with a mallet (they have no need of studying Hebrew), I get it from the study of Hebrew.
Praise God, rather Hallelujah! amen.
E
Did you read any of what I posted?
jesus name was actually joshua in the hebrew language. He also had a greek name (iesus( from where we get the transliterated name Jesus) and he also had an aramic name, of which I have no idea what that is..
But why would I call him joshua or Yeshua, Or Iesus, or his aramic name, when very few people I would even speak to would even know who I was talking about?
see how rediculous these things get.. Lets all go out and call jesus yeshua, even though 90 % of the people will have no idea of who we are talking about.
jesus name was actually joshua in the hebrew language. He also had a greek name (iesus( from where we get the transliterated name Jesus) and he also had an aramic name, of which I have no idea what that is..
But why would I call him joshua or Yeshua, Or Iesus, or his aramic name, when very few people I would even speak to would even know who I was talking about?
see how rediculous these things get.. Lets all go out and call jesus yeshua, even though 90 % of the people will have no idea of who we are talking about.
D
There actually is no J sound at all in the Hebrew tounge. Yahweh is translated as Jehova in some places. Some people just prefer to use the original name rather than a transliteration. Most people that do it do so out of respect, not out of any perceived special benefit as far as I can tell. I've never seen anyone claim they get brownie points for it or anything, which seems to be the issue most people have with those that use Hebrew names.
C
Nothing against you personally. I spoke against what you said and the way you said here because what you said is wrong and the tone is condescending - which I said I hope it's not your attitude at your church. I spoke as a brother. May be I just pushed the right button - I don't know.
Like I said, if you don't like what you hear that's fine.
Like I said, if you don't like what you hear that's fine.
C
So it's not like you don't know. The fact is you know but chose to say
Jesus instead of Yeshua or Joshua because of popularity reason which I totally understand.
However, it's ridiculous when one knows the real (or close to real) pronunciation but speaks against the usage of it, especially when we are in cc which most know who we are addressing to.
Following your reasoning, should one even speak of the truth when the whole unbelieving world does not know?
Jesus instead of Yeshua or Joshua because of popularity reason which I totally understand.
However, it's ridiculous when one knows the real (or close to real) pronunciation but speaks against the usage of it, especially when we are in cc which most know who we are addressing to.
Following your reasoning, should one even speak of the truth when the whole unbelieving world does not know?
Holman Christian Standard Bible - Preface
"The Tetragrammaton occurs 6,828 times in the Hebrew Bible. Nearly all English versions follow the ancient tradition of rendering the Divine name as “the Lord.” The King James Version makes only four exceptions (Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, and Isaiah 26:4), where it renders the name as “Jehovah.” The first edition of the HCSB used “Yahweh” seventy-five times, and the 2009 revision increased the number to 476, although the ordinary rendering continues to be “the Lord.” One of the editors of the version has explained why the version uses “Yahweh” in the places where it does: We use it as the rendering of YHWH (which the Hebrew Bible editors first rendered as Adonai, “Lord”) whenever God’s “name” is being given (either explicitly, using the word “name,” or implicitly), when He is being identified (“I am Yahweh”), when He is being contrasted to other gods such as Baal, in certain repeated phrases such as “Yahweh the God of your fathers,” or when YHWH has been rendered by Yahweh in the immediate context. … our objective is to introduce to the contemporary church what is the most likely pronunciation of the divine name YHWH in the Hebrew Bible. We did not render the majority of occurrences of YHWH as Yahweh because our goal is not only to be accurate but to use an English style that is most familiar to people. Since most Christians today probably do not commonly speak of “Yahweh,” but rather of “the Lord,” we felt it would be insensitive to use Yahweh for YHWH in every case and would make the Bible seem too uncomfortable for most people."
Why do modern translations follow the decree of the pharisees?
Adonai (Lord) is the title that was used by the Pharisees to replace the Name of the Creator:
Talmud - Mas. Yoma 39b
His brethren [that year] the priests forbore to mention the Ineffable Name (Yahweh) in pronouncing the [priestly] blessing.4 Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white/"
International Standard Bible Encyclopedia - ADONAI
a-do'-ni, ad-o-na'-i ('adhonay): A Divine name, translated "Lord," and signifying, from its derivation, "sovereignty." Its vowels are found in the Massoretic Text with the unpronounceable tetragrammaton YHWH; and when the Hebrew reader came to these letters, he always substituted in pronunciation the word " 'adhonay," (Lord). Its vowels combined with the tetragrammaton form the word "Yahweh (Yahweh)."
The Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kiddushin, page 71a
...R. Abina opposed [two verses]: It is written, 'this is my name'; but it is also written, 'and this is my memorial'?__The Holy One, blessed be He, said: I am not called as I am written: I am written with yod he, but I am read, alef daleth.7. The Tetragrammaton is yod he waw he (YHWH); but it is read adonai = alef daleth nun yod (ADNY)...
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."
Psalm 44:20-21, "If we have forgotten Your Name, Yahweh, or if we stretched out our hands to hinder gods, Would You not search this out, Yahweh? For You know the secrets of the heart."
Isayah 52:6, "Therefore My people will know My Name; Therefore they will know in that day that I am He Who speaks. Behold, it is I!"
"The Tetragrammaton occurs 6,828 times in the Hebrew Bible. Nearly all English versions follow the ancient tradition of rendering the Divine name as “the Lord.” The King James Version makes only four exceptions (Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, and Isaiah 26:4), where it renders the name as “Jehovah.” The first edition of the HCSB used “Yahweh” seventy-five times, and the 2009 revision increased the number to 476, although the ordinary rendering continues to be “the Lord.” One of the editors of the version has explained why the version uses “Yahweh” in the places where it does: We use it as the rendering of YHWH (which the Hebrew Bible editors first rendered as Adonai, “Lord”) whenever God’s “name” is being given (either explicitly, using the word “name,” or implicitly), when He is being identified (“I am Yahweh”), when He is being contrasted to other gods such as Baal, in certain repeated phrases such as “Yahweh the God of your fathers,” or when YHWH has been rendered by Yahweh in the immediate context. … our objective is to introduce to the contemporary church what is the most likely pronunciation of the divine name YHWH in the Hebrew Bible. We did not render the majority of occurrences of YHWH as Yahweh because our goal is not only to be accurate but to use an English style that is most familiar to people. Since most Christians today probably do not commonly speak of “Yahweh,” but rather of “the Lord,” we felt it would be insensitive to use Yahweh for YHWH in every case and would make the Bible seem too uncomfortable for most people."
Why do modern translations follow the decree of the pharisees?
Adonai (Lord) is the title that was used by the Pharisees to replace the Name of the Creator:
Talmud - Mas. Yoma 39b
His brethren [that year] the priests forbore to mention the Ineffable Name (Yahweh) in pronouncing the [priestly] blessing.4 Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white/"
International Standard Bible Encyclopedia - ADONAI
a-do'-ni, ad-o-na'-i ('adhonay): A Divine name, translated "Lord," and signifying, from its derivation, "sovereignty." Its vowels are found in the Massoretic Text with the unpronounceable tetragrammaton YHWH; and when the Hebrew reader came to these letters, he always substituted in pronunciation the word " 'adhonay," (Lord). Its vowels combined with the tetragrammaton form the word "Yahweh (Yahweh)."
The Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kiddushin, page 71a
...R. Abina opposed [two verses]: It is written, 'this is my name'; but it is also written, 'and this is my memorial'?__The Holy One, blessed be He, said: I am not called as I am written: I am written with yod he, but I am read, alef daleth.7. The Tetragrammaton is yod he waw he (YHWH); but it is read adonai = alef daleth nun yod (ADNY)...
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."
Psalm 44:20-21, "If we have forgotten Your Name, Yahweh, or if we stretched out our hands to hinder gods, Would You not search this out, Yahweh? For You know the secrets of the heart."
Isayah 52:6, "Therefore My people will know My Name; Therefore they will know in that day that I am He Who speaks. Behold, it is I!"
E
lol.. Then why else would they use them? Why not just use the english name as given in our english text we are using?
It is like a rich person looking down on a poor person who does not have an education, and using words they know he can not understand, then laughing behind their back.
granted, they may not do this, But to many it would come off this way, And be offensive..
I take it this way, if there is a chance something will offend people. most likely it will.. so why do what you know may offend someone.
It is one thing to offend them with the truth of the cross. This is a basic truth which has eternal consequences.
But to offend someone by using a name no one understands, and belittle them (intended belittling or not)
E
where do you get this popularity stuff from? it is what My bible says, It is what I use to speak to people. to teach people. Or discuss with people when we happen to discuss the word of God. or if I am giving the gospel. to challenge someone to go read what it says in a bible to test what I say.
So,
what do Angels Call God
What did Adam Call God
What did Noah call God?
I keep hearing the same old arguments, But no one is willing to show me proof.
So,
what do Angels Call God
What did Adam Call God
What did Noah call God?
I keep hearing the same old arguments, But no one is willing to show me proof.
Psalm 148:1-6, "HalleluYahweh! Praise (Yahweh) from the heavens! Praise (Yahweh) in the heights! Praise (Yahweh), all His malakim (angels)! Praise (Yahweh), all His hosts! Praise (Yahweh), sun and moon! Praise (Yahweh), all you stars of light! Praise (Yahweh), you heavens of heavens, and you waters above the heavens! Let them praise the Name of Yahweh; for He commanded and they were created! He has also established them forever and ever; He has made a decree which will not pass away."
Ohh and Admah and Eve knew Yahweh by His Name, Yahweh:
Genesis 4:26, "And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. It was then that the Name of Yahweh began to be invoked again."
Admah and Eve were still alive at the time Enosh was born and we see not only a reference to Yahweh being used by Enosh, but since it says, "the Name of Yahweh began to be invoked again" it shows us that Yahweh was also used prior to Enosh.
Genesis 4:26, "And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. It was then that the Name of Yahweh began to be invoked again."
Admah and Eve were still alive at the time Enosh was born and we see not only a reference to Yahweh being used by Enosh, but since it says, "the Name of Yahweh began to be invoked again" it shows us that Yahweh was also used prior to Enosh.